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ask the President of Missouri. I commend their athletes for taking a stand.

This also illustrates the power of sports these days. Our administration has totally failed in taking a pot of gold (B1G $) and investing it in a product that can provide advertising for school as well as bring the Purdue community together. What a complete joke. I used to take sh*t from my coworkers every Monday and I live 12 hours away. This year they know I don't care anymore.
 
ask the President of Missouri. I commend their athletes for taking a stand.

This also illustrates the power of sports these days. Our administration has totally failed in taking a pot of gold (B1G $) and investing it in a product that can provide advertising for school as well as bring the Purdue community together. What a complete joke. I used to take sh*t from my coworkers every Monday and I live 12 hours away. This year they know I don't care anymore.

Taking a stand on what? Sounds like you need to educate yourself on what happened.....or in this case what didn't happen before you applaud anything.

Racism is horrible. Tim Wolfe was made a scapegoat for a problem that wasn't his doing nor could he control at Mizzou...
 
Taking a stand on what? Sounds like you need to educate yourself on what happened.....or in this case what didn't happen before you applaud anything.

Racism is horrible. Tim Wolfe was made a scapegoat for a problem that wasn't his doing nor could he control at Mizzou...
Via the New York Times:

"Fueling the anger were a series of on-campus incidents: racial slurs hurled at black students and feces smeared into the shape of a swastika on a wall in a residence hall."

Seems to me the administration let the culture get out of hand.
 
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Via the New York Times:

"Fueling the anger were a series of on-campus incidents: racial slurs hurled at black students and feces smeared into the shape of a swastika on a wall in a residence hall."

Seems to me the administration let the culture get out of hand.

Think this will solve the problem? big bad Wolfe is gone, and now racial tension is relieved.
 
Via the New York Times:

"Fueling the anger were a series of on-campus incidents: racial slurs hurled at black students and feces smeared into the shape of a swastika on a wall in a residence hall."

Seems to me the administration let the culture get out of hand.

A. Not sure why a swastika is offensive to African Americans.

B. Not sure what you can do about somebody driving by a person and saying something negative. There is 0 proof that person was a student or even part of the community. It was the definition of an isolated incident.

C. If you are a president of ANYTHING....are you supposed to come out and address poop on a wall or an isolated racial incident? They are clearly NOT connected and not indicative of the racial climate of an entire university.

D. If university presidents start being held accountable for every action of every person on their campuses it begins a dangerous trend of holding people accountable for the actions of others.....while not being able to hold accountable the actions of those who perpetrated the incident.

If you don't see how this has NOTHING to do with Tim Wolfe, there's no helping you.

This is simply a movement using unrelated incidents to scapegoat a person in power that they see as privileged. Instead of taking their time to build up the dis-privileged, they have taken their time to attack and tear down those they see as being unjustly powerful. Not using constructive debate or dialogue, but fear mongering and appealing to the lowest common denominator....basically calling somebody a racist whose actions haven't represented that.
 
A. Not sure why a swastika is offensive to African Americans.

B. Not sure what you can do about somebody driving by a person and saying something negative. There is 0 proof that person was a student or even part of the community. It was the definition of an isolated incident.

C. If you are a president of ANYTHING....are you supposed to come out and address poop on a wall or an isolated racial incident? They are clearly NOT connected and not indicative of the racial climate of an entire university.

D. If university presidents start being held accountable for every action of every person on their campuses it begins a dangerous trend of holding people accountable for the actions of others.....while not being able to hold accountable the actions of those who perpetrated the incident.

If you don't see how this has NOTHING to do with Tim Wolfe, there's no helping you.

This is simply a movement using unrelated incidents to scapegoat a person in power that they see as privileged. Instead of taking their time to build up the dis-privileged, they have taken their time to attack and tear down those they see as being unjustly powerful. Not using constructive debate or dialogue, but fear mongering and appealing to the lowest common denominator....basically calling somebody a racist whose actions haven't represented that.
 
I wonder if the same strategy would work for us. The football team goes on strike until Morgan Burke is fired. The Purdue coaching staff supports the players and they all walk out of the football facilities until changes are made. Burke hires as replacements Mother Teresa as coach and the Little Sisters of the Poor to play footbal. They win last three games of the season for Purdue and save Burke's job.
 
I wonder if the same strategy would work for us. The football team goes on strike until Morgan Burke is fired. The Purdue coaching staff supports the players and they all walk out of the football facilities until changes are made. Burke hires as replacements Mother Teresa as coach and the Little Sisters of the Poor to play footbal. They win last three games of the season for Purdue and save Burke's job.
If half the team didn't show up, would anyone notice?
 
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I wonder if the same strategy would work for us. The football team goes on strike until Morgan Burke is fired. The Purdue coaching staff supports the players and they all walk out of the football facilities until changes are made. Burke hires as replacements Mother Teresa as coach and the Little Sisters of the Poor to play footbal. They win last three games of the season for Purdue and save Burke's job.
They've been on strike since Jan 1, 2013 and Burke is still here.
 
ask the President of Missouri. I commend their athletes for taking a stand.

This also illustrates the power of sports these days. Our administration has totally failed in taking a pot of gold (B1G $) and investing it in a product that can provide advertising for school as well as bring the Purdue community together. What a complete joke. I used to take sh*t from my coworkers every Monday and I live 12 hours away. This year they know I don't care anymore.

To be fair, this situation was a big story before the football team was involved. They just piled on at the end.
 
To be fair, this situation was a big story before the football team was involved. They just piled on at the end.
The team threatened to boycott this weekend's game against BYU which the University said would have cost it $1 mil. No doubt this had an impact.
 
The team threatened to boycott this weekend's game against BYU which the University said would have cost it $1 mil. No doubt this had an impact.

I didn't say it didn't matter, but it was a big issue/news story in the state prior to the football team doing anything.
 
A. Not sure why a swastika is offensive to African Americans.

B. Not sure what you can do about somebody driving by a person and saying something negative. There is 0 proof that person was a student or even part of the community. It was the definition of an isolated incident.

C. If you are a president of ANYTHING....are you supposed to come out and address poop on a wall or an isolated racial incident? They are clearly NOT connected and not indicative of the racial climate of an entire university.

D. If university presidents start being held accountable for every action of every person on their campuses it begins a dangerous trend of holding people accountable for the actions of others.....while not being able to hold accountable the actions of those who perpetrated the incident.

If you don't see how this has NOTHING to do with Tim Wolfe, there's no helping you.

This is simply a movement using unrelated incidents to scapegoat a person in power that they see as privileged. Instead of taking their time to build up the dis-privileged, they have taken their time to attack and tear down those they see as being unjustly powerful. Not using constructive debate or dialogue, but fear mongering and appealing to the lowest common denominator....basically calling somebody a racist whose actions haven't represented that.

Only one reason to care as much about your defense.. Racism.

You sound like the guy who was at family parties like "come on, we can say it here.. It's just us."

Then I'd see that guy with his public face on like, "the race card... All the time the race card."
 
Only one reason to care as much about your defense.. Racism.

You sound like the guy who was at family parties like "come on, we can say it here.. It's just us."

Then I'd see that guy with his public face on like, "the race card... All the time the race card."

Absolutely not. You don't know me. You don't know my history, my causes or my racial make up.

The issue is this....and its so plain and simple even you could probably understand. Racism is certainly still an issue in this country. The problem here is that people aren't attacking the issue....and aren't even attacking those that are involved in this case. They are going about it literally all wrong and have cost a man his job and potentially his career when the only thing he has done wrong are not come out and make a statement about somebody (and it could have even been a member of this campus group....nobody knows) wiping crap on a wall and ignoring this group and their guerilla protest tactics. He has invited them to speak with him on multiple occasions....but instead of taking the civilized route to try and work together to solve issues they started guerrilla street parades and protests and attacking those that were willing to help.

Again, my whole issue is not the heart of the message....it's how its being carried out. The leadership of this school is being bullied by people who FEEL marginalized. They aren't actually being marginalized in the scope of access to education at the university. They are students themselves who instead of trying to build relations on campus have spent their time trying to divide, tear down and ruin the careers of those that they think oppose them.....when the truth is the only difference between them and Tim Wolfe are years of hard work and career success.

Have you taken the time to educate yourself on this issue?

Did you read the asinine demands the protesters had of Wolfe? If so, unless you were just genuinely biased if you support or feel that way about what is happening in this world.

Do these sound reasonable? Do these sound like they actually come from people wanting change...or to tear down those who don't look like THEM?

http://www.columbiatribune.com/list...pdf_345ad844-9f05-5479-9b64-e4b362b4e155.html
 
TL;DR version. F them.

There is a way to protest and a way to get attention. Attacking those in power....those that AREN'T responsible for the events that have set this off are THE WRONG WAY.

They are tearing down race relations instead of trying to build them up. Pretty simple.
 
Absolutely not. You don't know me. You don't know my history, my causes or my racial make up.

The issue is this....and its so plain and simple even you could probably understand. Racism is certainly still an issue in this country. The problem here is that people aren't attacking the issue....and aren't even attacking those that are involved in this case. They are going about it literally all wrong and have cost a man his job and potentially his career when the only thing he has done wrong are not come out and make a statement about somebody (and it could have even been a member of this campus group....nobody knows) wiping crap on a wall and ignoring this group and their guerilla protest tactics. He has invited them to speak with him on multiple occasions....but instead of taking the civilized route to try and work together to solve issues they started guerrilla street parades and protests and attacking those that were willing to help.

Again, my whole issue is not the heart of the message....it's how its being carried out. The leadership of this school is being bullied by people who FEEL marginalized. They aren't actually being marginalized in the scope of access to education at the university. They are students themselves who instead of trying to build relations on campus have spent their time trying to divide, tear down and ruin the careers of those that they think oppose them.....when the truth is the only difference between them and Tim Wolfe are years of hard work and career success.

Have you taken the time to educate yourself on this issue?

Did you read the asinine demands the protesters had of Wolfe? If so, unless you were just genuinely biased if you support or feel that way about what is happening in this world.

Do these sound reasonable? Do these sound like they actually come from people wanting change...or to tear down those who don't look like THEM?

http://www.columbiatribune.com/list...pdf_345ad844-9f05-5479-9b64-e4b362b4e155.html

Well that's what makes it tricky. No one ever says "I'm a racist." But I once asked one .. Someone who was proud of being one.. "Do you tell people you are one?" Hid response was no. He replied that as injustices toward blacks that he was happy to see occurred, he always played the "no proof" game the other way... Because there usually wasn't proof of most things. Sheriff allows racism he should be responsible for in terms of culture? Hey.. Unless you have him on tape red handed ... No proof.

I've known enough of them to know they all talk like you in public. Chance you aren't one? Sure. But ask one and that's the beauty of it.. You'd never know. That's why I said you sound like one not that you definitively are one.

But hey.. Get used to it. You can get as mad as you want and the world you love is changing anyway
 
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Well that's what makes it tricky. No one ever says "I'm a racist." But I once asked one .. Someone who was proud of being one.. "Do you tell people you are one?" Hid response was no. He replied that as injustices toward blacks that he was happy to see occurred, he always played the "no proof" game the other way... Because there usually wasn't proof of most things. Sheriff allows racism he should be responsible for in terms of culture? Hey.. Unless you have him on tape red handed ... No proof.

I've known enough of them to know they all talk like you in public. Chance you aren't one? Sure. But ask one and that's the beauty of it.. You'd never know. That's why I said you sound like one not that you definitively are one.

But hey.. Get used to it. You can get as mad as you want and the world you love is changing anyway

So what you take from what I wrote is that i'm a racist?

You sir, are the problem. Not the solution.

If i'm such a racist....why do I STILL support our head coach when I even have 1000 strictly football related reasons not too? Is it because my heart is full of hate?
 
I didn't say it didn't matter, but it was a big issue/news story in the state prior to the football team doing anything.
I'm not so sure that it wasn't the football team's action that was the tipping point resulting in the resignation. The school had come out prior to the football teams' potential boycott saying that there would be no resignation.
 
So what you take from what I wrote is that i'm a racist?

You sir, are the problem. Not the solution.

If i'm such a racist....why do I STILL support our head coach when I even have 1000 strictly football related reasons not too? Is it because my heart is full of hate?

No you're the f-ing problem... Another conservative moron who thinks if they just try to shout someone down they have a better argument. Here's what I promise you. You tell me where I need to take it to show you I will never let you shout me down and I'll hook you up.

I didn't say you are a racist. I explained to you that your voice is what the public voice of a racist sounds like. Good chance you are? Yes. Definitively are you? There's no way to know that... And that's what makes it hard. It's not 1957 Mississippi.. Very few people come out and say "yep! Here I am.. Big racist right here." But if someone is a racist .. Is the thing they are going to take out of this "injustice toward one white guy" ...? Yep.

The last paragraph is "I have a black friend."

You know what someone who is definitely not racist doesn't do in reaction to this story? Really really care... You REALLY care about the oppressed white president lol.
 
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Isn't that exactly what happened here? A few people refused to have a conversation and demanded someone be fired for not bowing to their demands?
Let's not let logic get in the way of his shitty argument now...

The most ironic thing abou all of this...and it's a f'ing doozy. The hunger striker who wanted the president to renounce his "white privledge " has a father who makes $6million a year as an executive for a railroad!

Who's privileged in this situation again?

The media doesn't want to report that!

Also, this kid thinks black lives matter....well what about the 2,000 African American babies Planned Parenthood murders A DAY! Didn't stop him from joining that protest on campus a few weeks ago.

Just another social justice warrior who has manipulated his story to suit the narrative of the hour. Sad that the Mizzou football players didn't look deeper to educate themselves about this clown before hopping on his cause!
 
Let's not let logic get in the way of his shitty argument now...

The most ironic thing abou all of this...and it's a f'ing doozy. The hunger striker who wanted the president to renounce his "white privledge " has a father who makes $6million a year as an executive for a railroad!

Who's privileged in this situation again?

The media doesn't want to report that!

Also, this kid thinks black lives matter....well what about the 2,000 African American babies Planned Parenthood murders A DAY! Didn't stop him from joining that protest on campus a few weeks ago.

Just another social justice warrior who has manipulated his story to suit the narrative of the hour. Sad that the Mizzou football players didn't look deeper to educate themselves about this clown before hopping on his cause!
I do believe BoilermakerD has struck a chord!
 
Let's not let logic get in the way of his shitty argument now...

The most ironic thing abou all of this...and it's a f'ing doozy. The hunger striker who wanted the president to renounce his "white privledge " has a father who makes $6million a year as an executive for a railroad!

Who's privileged in this situation again?

The media doesn't want to report that!

Also, this kid thinks black lives matter....well what about the 2,000 African American babies Planned Parenthood murders A DAY! Didn't stop him from joining that protest on campus a few weeks ago.

Just another social justice warrior who has manipulated his story to suit the narrative of the hour. Sad that the Mizzou football players didn't look deeper to educate themselves about this clown before hopping on his cause!

Oh wow, I'm dealing with the genuine article. Hahahaha. A pro-life moron who thinks that because HE is pro life, he needs to impose his religion and world view on everyone else. You don't care about life. You care about the decision about life and dictating that. As soon as a poor kid is born to a mother who can't take care of her, you and yours don't care what happens to that kid. If the Mom is strung out and the kid ends up kicked through 20 foster homes, you don't care. You simply want to control others with a religion that preaches of a man who is nothing like you people. He, by all ACCOUNTS, was a generous human being who wanted love for all and to take care of all. He, ironically, didn't seek to control anyone. But you're not interested in this man and the values he had. You're really interested in taking christian doctrine and using it to act AS god and judge others.

Say I take everything from your religion as fact... if we all die and find out that there is a god and that god indeed says that aborting a 4 week old fetus is murder. Those who do it will have to answer to GOD.. not YOU.

Again, you.. who .. has a black friend who coaches football.. only care because you see one thing in this story. You see the "real racism." Reverse racism toward whites. It's hilarious. Read Dubois.. read about he lynchings.. read and research the history from the 1800s to this DAY of ghettos where blacks were shoved systematically for decade after decade and you come back and talk to me about how this millionaire president is the "real victim" of race in America.

Again.. insult.. I'll insult you more. Be condescending.. I will be more condescending. I will NEVER in any way bow down to you. If you have a compelling argument on the merit of the rationale, which you don't, fine. If your tactics are to try to bully others about their beliefs, it will NEVER happen.
 
Oh wow, I'm dealing with the genuine article. Hahahaha. A pro-life moron who thinks that because HE is pro life, he needs to impose his religion and world view on everyone else. You don't care about life. You care about the decision about life and dictating that. As soon as a poor kid is born to a mother who can't take care of her, you and yours don't care what happens to that kid. If the Mom is strung out and the kid ends up kicked through 20 foster homes, you don't care. You simply want to control others with a religion that preaches of a man who is nothing like you people. He, by all ACCOUNTS, was a generous human being who wanted love for all and to take care of all. He, ironically, didn't seek to control anyone. But you're not interested in this man and the values he had. You're really interested in taking christian doctrine and using it to act AS god and judge others.

Say I take everything from your religion as fact... if we all die and find out that there is a god and that god indeed says that aborting a 4 week old fetus is murder. Those who do it will have to answer to GOD.. not YOU.

Again, you.. who .. has a black friend who coaches football.. only care because you see one thing in this story. You see the "real racism." Reverse racism toward whites. It's hilarious. Read Dubois.. read about he lynchings.. read and research the history from the 1800s to this DAY of ghettos where blacks were shoved systematically for decade after decade and you come back and talk to me about how this millionaire president is the "real victim" of race in America.

Again.. insult.. I'll insult you more. Be condescending.. I will be more condescending. I will NEVER in any way bow down to you. If you have a compelling argument on the merit of the rationale, which you don't, fine. If your tactics are to try to bully others about their beliefs, it will NEVER happen.
At least you're willing to have a calm rational discussion. Just like those at Mizzou.
 
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Oh wow, I'm dealing with the genuine article. Hahahaha. A pro-life moron who thinks that because HE is pro life, he needs to impose his religion and world view on everyone else. You don't care about life. You care about the decision about life and dictating that. As soon as a poor kid is born to a mother who can't take care of her, you and yours don't care what happens to that kid. If the Mom is strung out and the kid ends up kicked through 20 foster homes, you don't care. You simply want to control others with a religion that preaches of a man who is nothing like you people. He, by all ACCOUNTS, was a generous human being who wanted love for all and to take care of all. He, ironically, didn't seek to control anyone. But you're not interested in this man and the values he had. You're really interested in taking christian doctrine and using it to act AS god and judge others.

Say I take everything from your religion as fact... if we all die and find out that there is a god and that god indeed says that aborting a 4 week old fetus is murder. Those who do it will have to answer to GOD.. not YOU.

Again, you.. who .. has a black friend who coaches football.. only care because you see one thing in this story. You see the "real racism." Reverse racism toward whites. It's hilarious. Read Dubois.. read about he lynchings.. read and research the history from the 1800s to this DAY of ghettos where blacks were shoved systematically for decade after decade and you come back and talk to me about how this millionaire president is the "real victim" of race in America.

Again.. insult.. I'll insult you more. Be condescending.. I will be more condescending. I will NEVER in any way bow down to you. If you have a compelling argument on the merit of the rationale, which you don't, fine. If your tactics are to try to bully others about their beliefs, it will NEVER happen.

Oh where to start, where to start?

1. I'm not a christian, but I am religious. Again, your assumption has led you sideways here.
2. I'm not even Pro-Life in a traditional sense. Yes, I feel that abortion is killing a live but unborn child. I would never do this but I also understand that this matter has been decided by law and I do not wish to push my personal beliefs on others.
3. I only bring up abortion/planned parenthood to illustrate that this specific protester only believes that lives matter when it suits HIS political narrative and is very hypocritical. It illustrates that he only believes that lives matter when they are aligned with HIS cause. HIS cause seems to be to not push for equality but to push for racial superiority of HIS race above all others. NOT equality.
4. Why is a shit swastika offensive to African Americans?
5. I am part of a group that is specifically targeted by this Swastika and i'm not offended. It's an immature, idiotic person acting alone. Clearly they are disturbed...they are smearing their own shit on a wall.
6. There is no evidence that this shitstika is real. There is no documentation by the housing board at Mizzou, there is no documentation by the police either. Only heresay stories that this happened, when the claim was initially made using a picture that originated online over a year before the supposed incident happen.
7. How is Missouri racist when they elected a black, homosexual male as its student government leader? Sounds really oppressive over there.
8. Said student government leader is also spreading lies and falsities all over social media and to the media itself about KKK sightings, violence outbreaks and other negative incidents happening and only apologized when called out and refuted by Mizzou police AND administration who were on campus trying to keep things safe for all?

This house of cards has crumbled. The arguement is nonexistent and 2 men have lost their jobs because of racism. Not because THEY are racist or supporting racism but because individuals have scapegoated them in their quest to end "white privilege." NOT to end racism and foster equality....just to drag down people who are of a different skin color than them.

How does this make them any better than enforcers of Jim Crow post civil war? It's sad that these two men have crossed the line from activist to terrorist. They have crossed the line from civil rights crusaders to people willing to say or do anything it takes to remove people from power who do not look like them.
 
Oh where to start, where to start?

1. I'm not a christian, but I am religious. Again, your assumption has led you sideways here.
2. I'm not even Pro-Life in a traditional sense. Yes, I feel that abortion is killing a live but unborn child. I would never do this but I also understand that this matter has been decided by law and I do not wish to push my personal beliefs on others.
3. I only bring up abortion/planned parenthood to illustrate that this specific protester only believes that lives matter when it suits HIS political narrative and is very hypocritical. It illustrates that he only believes that lives matter when they are aligned with HIS cause. HIS cause seems to be to not push for equality but to push for racial superiority of HIS race above all others. NOT equality.
4. Why is a shit swastika offensive to African Americans?
5. I am part of a group that is specifically targeted by this Swastika and i'm not offended. It's an immature, idiotic person acting alone. Clearly they are disturbed...they are smearing their own shit on a wall.
6. There is no evidence that this shitstika is real. There is no documentation by the housing board at Mizzou, there is no documentation by the police either. Only heresay stories that this happened, when the claim was initially made using a picture that originated online over a year before the supposed incident happen.
7. How is Missouri racist when they elected a black, homosexual male as its student government leader? Sounds really oppressive over there.
8. Said student government leader is also spreading lies and falsities all over social media and to the media itself about KKK sightings, violence outbreaks and other negative incidents happening and only apologized when called out and refuted by Mizzou police AND administration who were on campus trying to keep things safe for all?

This house of cards has crumbled. The arguement is nonexistent and 2 men have lost their jobs because of racism. Not because THEY are racist or supporting racism but because individuals have scapegoated them in their quest to end "white privilege." NOT to end racism and foster equality....just to drag down people who are of a different skin color than them.

How does this make them any better than enforcers of Jim Crow post civil war? It's sad that these two men have crossed the line from activist to terrorist. They have crossed the line from civil rights crusaders to people willing to say or do anything it takes to remove people from power who do not look like them.

1. Yawn... your tired arguments are retreads from one big playbook. Most are christian.. if you are not, it makes the fact that you're reading from the same playbook relevant how? Never mind, don't answer that.
2. You took a shot at black lives matter in some sort of "get your priorities straight" way because they aren't protesting abortion? My guess is, you saw the part about giving a flying F about kids who are not aborted AFTER they're born and decided to walk it back.
3. Again, read Dubois... get into the real racial history of this country. I had to because I went to Purdue, where it was not a choice to take a racial awareness class. In this class I was confronted with reality for the first time in my life. Reality, if you put Fox so called News down, is that there is no danger, and never has been a danger of black superiority in this country. When you start in with this "well, you know the REAL racism is reverse racism" BS, it's not so much that I care because of race, since I'm white. I care because you're insulting my intelligence. No intelligent human being thinks we are on the verge of black superiority.
4. You're starting to mesh your greater issues, as a "non racist" who happens to also REALLY REALLY care about the victimization of a rich, white college President.. into your issues with anything I've said. I don't recall sounding off that how dare you make that point about the swastika.

But since you asked, this is where I have to reference the playbook that liberals should be using. Never treat something a conservative can't be serious about as something serious enough to actually argue against. If I argue against this point that only an idiot could be trying to make in any serious way, I grant the original point even small amounts of legitimacy, which is way too much.

In other words, you do yourself harm if you even allow conservatives to theorize about trickle down economics without shouting them down as if they can't be serious. In this time in which you take a sham theory like that even seriously enough to argue as if it's a serious argument, you'll get... well the last 35 years economically.

You know that the swastika has gained other meanings since WW2. You know that hate groups in this country.. groups that hate both jews and blacks have used it as a symbol to rally around.

5. Lack of institutional control. See Truman.. the buck stops here. Managers are fired for a "general climate" all the time. Cry me a f-ing river.

6. Once again, I never said anything about the shitstika. I think you're talking to someone else.

7. You're pathetic. You're the type of person that allowed the Jim Crow south to take place. You're like someone arguing "well, things could be separate but equal. They really could!"

So, because a few thousand people got together and voted (voter turnout is not amazingly high in these things) a black, gay male into a student government office, racism cannot exist there? I grew up in the south suburbs of Chicago.. a place that republicans refer to in a dog whistle way.. they say "Chicago" as if other conservatives are supposed to know what they mean. I've witnessed more racism once I allowed myself to see it than I ever thought existed. But I'm wasting my breathe because you don't want to see it. What you want to see is the victimization of the white man.

There's something else. Race always has existed and always will.. racism just like every other ism. Racist impulses are as natural to the human condition as picking on a kid in first grade because he's fat or stupid or has a certain sweater on. It's natural. There's a reason you go to asia and find that Japanese people commonly speak about other asians as monkeys.

If you argue against the idea that the group with the most power in terms of numbers, power and money could possibly be racist.. if you act as if this is something that "got better and really went away with time".. good luck when we get 30 years into the future and whites do not have nearly the advantage in terms of numbers, power or money. I sure hope.. when we're not where we are power wise, that no one is walking around saying, "well, the hispanic police department CANT be racist.. that's something that was natural to being white in the 60s, and it went away after that."

It will never go away, from any direction.

8. The problem with you is that you think that racism heads down over time. Racism and anything where people look at someone and say "he's different" will always be a widespread thing. End racism? Dubois really was right when he said that whites, far in the future, would suffer from racial amnesia and live in a racial fantasyland. End racism. My god... I hope I'm not 68 living in a society where whites are not the majority and have far less wealth and power relative to everyone else than they do now... and in said society, a cop can pull me over, call me a cracker, kick my ass and the reaction will be "well, it can't be racism. We know that racism ended 20 years ago."

It is borderline hilarious though to watch you act like we're in the era of the lynchings because rich white people were fired and might have to live off of a massive severance for a while before getting another 6 figure job.
 
So because Wolfe is rich and white it's ok?

No. It's not because of that. No one walked into his office and said, "you're rich and white, you're fired." It's a lack of institutional control issue.

However, crying false equivalency absolutely makes the fact that he's rich and white relevant. It's not equivalent. When some conservative honk tries to hoodwink people by not telling the whole story and saying something like, "this guy is as bad as those in the Jim Crow south/crying reverse racism," it's simply nullified by the fact that anything done here or done in the sphere of affirmative action has no basis in an individual incident, but rather on a racial history that frankly white people in this country don't know anything about. I know. Until I took Floyd W. Hayes class at Purdue, I was one of them. When I left that class I understood how systematic and prolonged the suffering of blacks in this country had been. Does that mean I sit there saying, "I hope something bad happens to a rich white guy?" No. However, when it does in a situation where it doesn't quite rise to the degree of a smoking gun in terms of evidence and someone cries reverse racism, or when someone thinks that the "real problem in this country" is reverse racism, they sound like an idiot.

Arthur MacDuffie was a reason to be outraged. To have, or to try to have the same level of outrage over this guy just makes you sound like a stooge who is misinformed and hasn't gone beyond Fox News or the army of well-financed conservative honks seeing what sticks to a wall on the radio.

And then it's followed up by this "here, since you have no clue" and this talking down and trying to berate anyone who doesn't see eye to eye with conservatives. Shame on liberals for backing down from the loudest guy in the room from 1979 until today because they want to "take the high road."

This guy on the hunger strike sounds like a real prize. Notice in my posts with pboiler I've never disputed that. I've also never said that were this in a court of law any action or inaction by this college president would be found worthy of damages.

However, had pboiler stopped there and said, "you know, no evidence, maybe this guy sues the school for something and gets a settlement" .. okay, great.

But it's this "see, the real racism is toward the white man" routine in which he really, really cares and then questions the black lives matter movement for not stopping abortions that I chose to call into question. And, once doing so, under no circumstances will I verbally back down from a conservative because he's going to try to be the loud guy in the room. Ever. If Pboiler or you have a problem with that and you keep posting, you'll keep being replied to in kind. Now, you asked a question, but did it with much less of the "oh my god, let me explain this so even you get it" BS than pboiler did, and you notice the different approach.

Liberals are mostly weak sell outs who know very little of the ways of Franklin Roosevelt and spend most of their time not calling conservatives out on the things they leave out of their arguments, compromising with conservatives on terrible trade deals like the TPP, trying to show people that "look, I'm really conservative too, look what I did" and just generally selling out the middle class. They're far too nice and far too detached from those they are supposed to be representing. When liberals become the party of nasty and stop trying to be above it all, maybe we can have a good nation again if it isn't already too late to stop elected democrats ERRR Republicans impersonating liberals from selling us out to every conservative interest imaginable in the name of increased donations.

Do this. Read everything pboiler says. Then, read W.E.B Du Bois. Then come back and see whose rationale is really more compelling.
 
Plain and simple:

At Mizzou, the fight being waged IS NOT for equality, it is for supremacy.

Most rational human beings are all for and support equality of all races. The sad part is that these protesters don't want equality. Not in the least. They want total contol. Where's the equality in that?

At least Mitch Daniels has the balls to step up, affirm ALL students' rights and protect people AND the first amendment.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/an-adult-on-campus-1447287400?mod=rss_opinion_main
 
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