The End of this GD Forum?

[Riveting-]

It sounds as if this forum will be bunker busted at the end of the month?

Any news on this - and whether this particular forum might be picked up by the on3 site? I am concerned that Bagram Bob, katDim, klinker, swag, bni, and others will lose their only apparent source of truth and knowledge.

 

[bonefish1]

It sounds as if this forum will be bunker busted at the end of the month?

Any news on this - and whether this particular forum might be picked up by the on3 site? I am concerned that Bagram Bob, katDim, klinker, swag, bni, and others will lose their only apparent source of truth and knowledge.

I seriously hope this isn't true. I enjoy the sparring here.

 

[BoilerHuff3]

It should be bunkered in its current form. If does exist on ON3, I hope they monitor it more closely. There is room for discussion, but the vitriol and name calling has become ridiculous. I have read and observed and liked a lot, even learned some things, but you all on both sides are a trip.

Not one of you is going to change the minds of others on here in your views so all you are really doing is pissing into a headwind.

 

[bonefish1]

It should be bunkered in its current form. If does exist on ON3, I hope they monitor it more closely. There is room for discussion, but the vitriol and name calling has become ridiculous. I have read and observed and liked a lot, even learned some things, but you all on both sides are a trip.

Not one of you is going to change the minds of others on here in your views so all you are really doing is pissing into a headwind.

It's very easy to not open and read a thread. If you don't like what you're reading, scroll on. Who are you to decide what is of value or not? Some of us long time posters enjoy the open debate, including the name-calling and vitriol.

 

[BoilerHuff3]

It's very easy to not open and read a thread. If you don't like what you're reading, scroll on. Who are you to decide what is of value or not? Some of us long time posters enjoy the open debate, including the name-calling and vitriol.

I will read what I want to read, and comment how I want to comment. Take your own advice chief. I said nothing about value of what is on here, and there are some good things, but act like adults. You don't like that point, to f'n bad. There is nothing you can do about it

 

[bonefish1]

I will read what I want to read, and comment how I want to comment. Take your own advice chief. I said nothing about value of what is on here, and there are some good things, but act like adults. You don't like that point, to f'n bad. There is nothing you can do about it

You're the one suggesting it should be monitored more closely and "bunkered". Seems like you don't like what you're reading.

 

[Indy_Rider]

It sounds as if this forum will be bunker busted at the end of the month?

Any news on this - and whether this particular forum might be picked up by the on3 site? I am concerned that Bagram Bob, katDim, klinker, swag, bni, and others will lose their only apparent source of truth and knowledge.

Brian has said numerous times that he would never have GD section again, so I would say it's the end of the road.

 

[BoilerHuff3]

You're the one suggesting it should be monitored more closely and "bunkered". Seems like you don't like what you're reading.

It should be more closely monitored, that is my opinion. If you don't like that opinion, sorry my man. Many things on here from both sides have some merit and is a good read, including some links. My opinion is you can have a civil discussion without being an ahole (not you are anyone being called out specifically). Part of the reason there is so much bs going on right now is nobody can have a civil back and forth without vitriol, protesting, name calling etc.

 

[Indy_Rider]

It should be more closely monitored, that is my opinion. If you don't like that opinion, sorry my man. Many things on here from both sides have some merit and is a good read, including some links. My opinion is you can have a civil discussion without being an ahole (not you are anyone being called out specifically). Part of the reason there is so much bs going on right now is nobody can have a civil back and forth without vitriol, protesting, name calling etc.

The problem with closely monitored is that, whether they intend to or not, it almost always ends up then getting slanted towards the person doing the moderations beliefs and feelings. You also can't actually expect people to check religious beliefs, political beliefs, any type of beliefs at the door because those beliefs are ingrained in a person, to a certain extent, and what kind of makes the person.

I've left numerous boards, including ON3 GBI because of what was allowed and what wasn't.

 

[BoilerHuff3]

The problem with closely monitored is that, whether they intend to or not, it almost always ends up then getting slanted towards the person doing the moderations beliefs and feelings. You also can't actually expect people to check religious beliefs, political beliefs, any type of beliefs at the door because those beliefs are ingrained in a person, to a certain extent, and what kind of makes the person.

I've left numerous boards, including ON3 GBI because of what was allowed and what wasn't.

I don't care about the beliefs and such, to each their own. Just be consistent in the name calling and vitriol. It isn't too hard in my opinion, but maybe that is just me. I have learned things from both sides of the main posters on this board, and even though I lean one way, some things I didn't know or think about were posted from the other side.

 

[Indy_Rider]

I don't care about the beliefs and such, to each their own. Just be consistent in the name calling and vitriol. It isn't too hard in my opinion, but maybe that is just me. I have learned things from both sides of the main posters on this board, and even though I lean one way, some things I didn't know or think about were posted from the other side.

So, you want consistent, so no moderation is about as consistent as you can get.

 

[Riveting-]

Anybody know of similar forums elsewhere ?

 

[BoilerHuff3]

So, you want consistent, so no moderation is about as consistent as you can get.

I don't think so. I think you can be consistent in just deleting anything from both sides that have name calling or start to become and evolve into vitriol.

 

[Riveting-]

Brian has said numerous times that he would never have GD section again, so I would say it's the end of the road.

Is Brian the top guy at on3?

 

[BoilerHuff3]

Is Brian the top guy at on3?

I think Alan Karpick ultimately is, but Brian I am sure has major influence and seems to check the boards more often

 

[Riveting-]

@tjreese

TJ, I see some posts by you on on3.

Can you use you vast persuasion skills to get Alan and Brian to agree to host the Water Cooler forum? I sense a groundswell of support for this time-honored Purdue tradition.

 

[bonefish1]

90% of this board is politics which many on here are very passionate about. One of the beauties of this board is the anonymity.
It's good, light hearted banter from opposing sides where the only risk is hurt feelings or bruised egos. That style of debate or engagement isn't for everyone, but a "monitor" also shouldn't have the right to censor because they personally deemed something as being not to their liking.

 

[BoilerHuff3]

90% of this board is politics which many on here are very passionate about. One of the beauties of this board is the anonymity.
It's good, light hearted banter from opposing sides where the only risk is hurt feelings or bruised egos. That style of debate or engagement isn't for everyone, but a "monitor" also shouldn't have the right to censor because they personally deemed something as being not to their liking.

I don't disagree bone, and hurt feelings and such are part of a debate sometimes. I just think it crosses the line calling people names, calling people racist because they don't agree with someone else or their views are different, etc.... Some civility in the discourse is needed in regular politics and in a forum like this in my opinion.

 

[bonefish1]

I don't disagree bone, and hurt feelings and such are part of a debate sometimes. I just think it crosses the line calling people names, calling people racist because they don't agree with someone else or their views are different, etc.... Some civility in the discourse is needed in regular politics and in a forum like this in my opinion.

As long as it's anonymous, you'll get honesty, or at least, uncensored bravado, which allows for crossing the proverbial line. Yes, it's not going to be pretty or cordial, but that's what makes it fun and entertaining.
Most of the long time posters know this and have the skin thick enough to keep coming back. It wouldn't be any fun if we didn't have the two sides hurling grenades at each other consequence free.

 

[tjreese]

@tjreese

TJ, I see some posts by you on on3.

Can you use you vast persuasion skills to get Alan and Brian to agree to host the Water Cooler forum? I sense a groundswell of support for this time-honored Purdue tradition.

I just left Fort Bragg museum and heading to Raleigh and can write them in a few days.It would probably carry more weight if someone wrote that they enjoy reading even if not posting..but will write them.

This forum has a negative view by some whether deserved or not and peer pressure puts some against the forum even if they don’t have anything to do with it.

Since they believed they were short on resources by hiring Dubs they may not wish to thin out resources they have, but I will express a desire to keep a general forum

 

[Riveting-]

I just left Fort Bragg museum and heading to Raleigh and can write them in a few days.It would probably carry more weight if someone wrote that they enjoy reading even if not posting..but will write them.

This forum has a negative view by some whether deserved or not and peer pressure puts some against the forum even if they don’t have anything to do with it.

Since they believed they were short on resources by hiring Dubs they may not wish to thin out resources they have, but I will express a desire to keep a general forum

Safe travels, my friend.

 

[Riveting-]

I don't disagree bone, and hurt feelings and such are part of a debate sometimes. I just think it crosses the line calling people names, calling people racist because they don't agree with someone else or their views are different, etc.... Some civility in the discourse is needed in regular politics and in a forum like this in my opinion.

As you know, calling people 'racist' is not uncommon in the political world, such that it has lost much of its meaning.

Some believe the US is racist, others believe DEI is racist, and others believe both. I don't get in a huff if someone calls me a racist, and I really don't think many others on this board do either. It has come to mean very little.

Is there some other term besides racist used on this forum that you find offensive, because I can't think of any offhand?

I think profanity is uncalled for in any forum exchange assuming people have sufficient vocabularies to use something more dignified, but that is a personal preference.

 

[BoilerHuff3]

As you know, calling people 'racist' is not uncommon in the political world, such that it has lost much of its meaning.

Some believe the US is racist, others believe DEI is racist, and others believe both. I don't get in a huff if someone calls me a racist, and I really don't think many others on this board do either. It has come to mean very little.

Is there some other term besides racist used on this forum that you find offensive, because I can't think of any offhand?

I think profanity is uncalled for in any forum exchange assuming people have sufficient vocabularies to use something more dignified, but that is a personal preference.

I think the profanity is worse at times, but the racist, bigot, etc is bad enough. Nobody here knows anyone personally, or very few do, and to use that or other terms because they don't disagree is wrong and can be incendiary. Too much of that in the political (including Trump and Obama). Some civil discourse is needed in my opinion. Now we know who is doing the majority of the name calling.

 

[Riveting-]

I think the profanity is worse at times, but the racist, bigot, etc is bad enough. Nobody here knows anyone personally, or very few do, and to use that or other terms because they don't disagree is wrong and can be incendiary. Too much of that in the political (including Trump and Obama). Some civil discourse is needed in my opinion. Now we know who is doing the majority of the name calling.

Who is doing the majority of the name calling?

 

[BB62]

I think the profanity is worse at times, but the racist, bigot, etc is bad enough. Nobody here knows anyone personally, or very few do, and to use that or other terms because they don't disagree is wrong and can be incendiary. Too much of that in the political (including Trump and Obama). Some civil discourse is needed in my opinion. Now we know who is doing the majority of the name calling.

There have been statements made that clearly and unequivocally show there are racists here. I don't have to know someone personally to make that determination.........and I'm not calling anyone racist because I disagree with them.

Now if they are just having "fun"or trying to be outrageous for attention, I don't know that. But by doing so they invite the racist label.......and that's on them.

I'm the most guilty one here of using profanity. That's on me and I constantly try to correct myself.......and not always successfully. It's a part of my daily life but that's no excuse.

 

[BoilerHuff3]

Who is doing the majority of the name calling?

Your buddies on the Dem side for whatever reason

 

[BoilerHuff3]

There have been statements made that clearly and unequivocally show there are racists here. I don't have to know someone personally to make that determination.........and I'm not calling anyone racist because I disagree with them.

Now if they are just having "fun"or trying to be outrageous for attention, I don't know that. But by doing so they invite the racist label.......and that's on them.

I'm the most guilty one here of using profanity. That's on me and I constantly try to correct myself.......and not always successfully. It's a part of my daily life but that's no excuse.

But it is funny, don't think you have called out a certain poster for his homophobia or clear racist statements. I know you don't care about religion so don't expect you to call him out on his, my religion is better than yours bs. As for the language, Bob, I commend you for admitting fault in that. I use it too in real life, but try to be very selective with it. I just think there can be civil discourse whether one agrees with someone else or not. While I usually lean the other way from you, I have read some of your stuff and have learned some things, at least a perspective I hadn't thought of, even if I still don't agree with it.

I don't agree that you know someone is racist just from a forum. I don't love the way DEI has been used so I am sure a certain someone would call me racist without knowing I have biracial cousins, a bi-racial niece, and other family members from Foreign countries. Don't love the way that someone puts down others from his own race because they disagree. Just my thought and appreciate your response. Really just don't understand I guess the thought of constantly arguing with people; especially on a forum where you don't know them and nobody has changed anyone's mind on who they support and what they like and don't like. Probably why I never piped up about anything until now

 

[Riveting-]

But it is funny, don't think you have called out a certain poster for his homophobia or clear racist statements. I know you don't care about religion so don't expect you to call him out on his, my religion is better than yours bs. As for the language, Bob, I commend you for admitting fault in that. I use it too in real life, but try to be very selective with it. I just think there can be civil discourse whether one agrees with someone else or not. While I usually lean the other way from you, I have read some of your stuff and have learned some things, at least a perspective I hadn't thought of, even if I still don't agree with it.

I don't agree that you know someone is racist just from a forum. I don't love the way DEI has been used so I am sure a certain someone would call me racist without knowing I have biracial cousins, a bi-racial niece, and other family members from Foreign countries. Don't love the way that someone puts down others from his own race because they disagree. Just my thought and appreciate your response. Really just don't understand I guess the thought of constantly arguing with people; especially on a forum where you don't know them and nobody has changed anyone's mind on who they support and what they like and don't like. Probably why I never piped up about anything until now

Interesting comments. I don't recall Bob calling anyone racist, but he has called me plenty of other things. I don't take any of it seriously. I doubt that he takes any of my insults and nicknames for him seriously.

 

[BoilerHuff3]

Interesting comments. I don't recall Bob calling anyone racist, but he has called me plenty of other things. I don't take any of it seriously. I doubt that he takes any of my insults and nicknames for him seriously.

I don't know if he has called you that or not tbh, but others throw that around very easily. But looking at his response to me it seems he may have with you or others. Don't know for sure so don't want to definitively say that about him and accuse him of it. I think he is a pretty intelligent guy actually, despite not agreeing with many of his stances.

 

[BB62]

But it is funny, don't think you have called out a certain poster for his homophobia or clear racist statements. I know you don't care about religion so don't expect you to call him out on his, my religion is better than yours bs. As for the language, Bob, I commend you for admitting fault in that. I use it too in real life, but try to be very selective with it. I just think there can be civil discourse whether one agrees with someone else or not. While I usually lean the other way from you, I have read some of your stuff and have learned some things, at least a perspective I hadn't thought of, even if I still don't agree with it.

I don't agree that you know someone is racist just from a forum. I don't love the way DEI has been used so I am sure a certain someone would call me racist without knowing I have biracial cousins, a bi-racial niece, and other family members from Foreign countries. Don't love the way that someone puts down others from his own race because they disagree. Just my thought and appreciate your response. Really just don't understand I guess the thought of constantly arguing with people; especially on a forum where you don't know them and nobody has changed anyone's mind on who they support and what they like and don't like. Probably why I never piped up about anything until now

The posters on this forum are overwhelmingly on the right. I'm not sure of the posters you're referring to, no need to get into that.........but I choose not to call out those few on the left that may make racist or homophobic comments.........simply because there are plenty of posters on the right doing it already. I can understand how that could be perceived as hypocritical on my part but I see it as not helping the majority. I assume that's part of why I'm called a liberal, the larger part because I'm never trump. I rarely criticize non trumpers..........and trumpers are not criticizing each other either. Doesn't mean I agree with those on my "forum team" on everything.

I'm obviously not going to quote what those on the right have said that led me to call them racist, for obvious reasons. I don't know how long you've been around, but some of us go back a long way and I have lots of material on which to base my beliefs. I don't think this can go much farther as I am unwilling to post quotes. It gives me no pleasure to make those statements and firing it all up again is counterproductive.

I don't understand this statement. "Don't love the way that someone puts down others from his own race because they disagree." From his own race?

I'll say it again. I don't make the accusations because I disagree with them per se. Depends on what the topic is. For instance, if the topic is government assistance and they argue that blacks are inherently lazy and only want to live off the government, then yeah, that's racist. Few if any are going to be that direct but dancing around the edges consistently leaves a pretty clear impression.

I think DEI has gone too far. But I also think there is still discrimination and lack of opportunity for some and we need to account for it. But here you're either all for it or all against it.......many other issues are viewed the same way. But if I'm not for doing away with it completely and erasing history books I'm a tree hugging liberal.

Regarding why all of us idiots do this. Different for everyone I'm sure. For me it's just one way to push back against what I believe is an effort to fundamentally change the country........and not in a good way. I'm under no illusion that I'm changing minds........although mine has changed some based on conversations here. It just makes me feel better. But lately I have been reconsidering.

 

[BoilerHuff3]

The posters on this forum are overwhelmingly on the right. I'm not sure of the posters you're referring to, no need to get into that.........but I choose not to call out those few on the left that may make racist or homophobic comments.........simply because there are plenty of posters on the right doing it already. I can understand how that could be perceived as hypocritical on my part but I see it as not helping the majority. I assume that's part of why I'm called a liberal, the larger part because I'm never trump. I rarely criticize non trumpers..........and trumpers are not criticizing each other either. Doesn't mean I agree with those on my "forum team" on everything.

I'm obviously not going to quote what those on the right have said that led me to call them racist, for obvious reasons. I don't know how long you've been around, but some of us go back a long way and I have lots of material on which to base my beliefs. I don't think this can go much farther as I am unwilling to post quotes. It gives me no pleasure to make those statements and firing it all up again is counterproductive.

I don't understand this statement. "Don't love the way that someone puts down others from his own race because they disagree." From his own race?

I'll say it again. I don't make the accusations because I disagree with them per se. Depends on what the topic is. For instance, if the topic is government assistance and they argue that blacks are inherently lazy and only want to live off the government, then yeah, that's racist. Few if any are going to be that direct but dancing around the edges consistently leaves a pretty clear impression.

I think DEI has gone too far. But I also think there is still discrimination and lack of opportunity for some and we need to account for it. But here you're either all for it or all against it.......many other issues are viewed the same way. But if I'm not for doing away with it completely and erasing history books I'm a tree hugging liberal.

Regarding why all of us idiots do this. Different for everyone I'm sure. For me it's just one way to push back against what I believe is an effort to fundamentally change the country........and not in a good way. I'm under no illusion that I'm changing minds........although mine has changed some based on conversations here. It just makes me feel better. But lately I have been reconsidering.

The one you were not sure about is calling a Thomas Sowell or Clarence Thomas a 'Tom' or White Supremacist. It is ridiculous, offensive, and BS. All because someone doesn't think like him. Just insane to me.

I agree with you on everything else. If someone said something that blatantly raciest or was close to that, I would back you and agree 100. Too often though, someone just disagrees or presents their thoughts on it, and they are labeled a racist or bigot. It rarely is that black and white, although sometimes it is just that.

While I support Trump more than I did Biden for sure, I am under no illusion that he is perfect and does everything right. I hate the bloviating for instance and every decision he makes is correct. I do like some of the policies and I am seeing quite a bit of change. Where I live, gas is down a decent amount, I am spending 50 less per week on groceries etc.... I also think the media blows many things WAY out of proportion or just plain lies (not saying FOX can't do the same btw). IMO, the media is the biggest reason we are where we are, the opinion pieces and nastiness instead of the old Cronkite method, just report it and let people make up their minds.

 

[DG Boiler]

Your buddies on the Dem side for whatever reason

Objectively false ... Calling posters racist for saying racist things isn't "disagreeing with someone." There are multiple REPUBLICANS on this site who routinely use homophobic, transphobic, and racist language and then deflect when called out. Perhaps you should go back and read the dialogue.

 

[BoilerHuff3]

Objectively false ... Calling posters racist for saying racist things isn't "disagreeing with someone." There are multiple REPUBLICANS on this site who routinely use homophobic, transphobic, and racist language and then deflect when called out. Perhaps you should go back and read the dialogue.

I have read the dialogue, but you don't seem to call out some of the Dems (one in particular) who do the same, Kat! You are one of the ones who think everything that doesn't agree with your side is racist, or stupid, or whatever your name calling is for the day. You have the last word bro. You, unlike Bob, are not worth having further discussion with.

 

[DG Boiler]

I have read the dialogue, but you don't seem to call out some of the Dems (one in particular) who do the same, Kat! You are one of the ones who think everything that doesn't agree with your side is racist, or stupid, or whatever your name calling is for the day. You have the last word bro. You, unlike Bob, are not worth having further discussion with.

I am not this Kat guy ...

And saying something racist is racist. Period. I don't know who you are, nor do I particularly care, but trying to act altruistic and centrist while defending abhorrent behavior is pandering to the Rivetings and Bonefishes of the world, who are ultra right and have dangerous world views.

 

[Riveting-]

All, I have joined On3 and posted a request to Alan and Brian to continue GD on that site.

In reply, several posters are opposed because somehow they feel they would be compelled to visit the forum and find it upsetting. I hope they come to understand they have free will in this matter and would not be required to do so.

 

[Riveting-]

@tjreese

TJ, I took the liberty of referencing your name in my post on Knucklehead, since I assume that you are as respected there as you are here.

 

[Quix0te]

Objectively false ... Calling posters racist for saying racist things isn't "disagreeing with someone." There are multiple REPUBLICANS on this site who routinely use homophobic, transphobic, and racist language and then deflect when called out. Perhaps you should go back and read the dialogue.

Perhaps YOU should go back and read the dialogue. I have been labeled a racist on this forum many times for saying that I oppose illegal immigration. Playing the race card is a knee-jerk reaction from the woke.

 

[BoilerBiker]

Looks like Iowa on3 has an off topic free board, if adopt theirs.

I think Hoosierhuddle .com will be reactivated in July, and might have an off topic board there. Maybe some of the Indana visitors that were here will be there.

 

[tjreese]

Anybody know of similar forums elsewhere ?

Peegs used to have a water cooler site. All I have is a phone and want a computer to write a request…when I return

The Water Cooler

Discuss politics and current events

indiana.forums.rivals.com

 

[Riveting-]

No surprise, Brian nixed the idea for On3.

I have set up a Reddit Community at the following. All are welcome, even katBMW. I will be the de facto mod, but I will really don't care what anyone says - including calling me a racist.

Someone has already posted about the success of the No Kings protest.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurdueGeneral/