The difference between Hope winning 7-8 a year and hazel winning 3-4

[BoilermakerD]

Since, you know, before you compare, you have to start by recognizing the massive difference in average wins..

The difference...

Danny had to have yearly injuries destroy his QB position to have his QBs play as bad as Hazells did merely because darell a) had John shoop and b) thinks he is Jim tressel at Ohio state circa 2001.

Stop hating on Danny Hope. Stop even saying things like "I can't believe I'm defending him" or "he wasn't a good coach"

He was a good coach... He averaged what? 5 wins a year with a Derrick Rose like rash of injuries at QB... The thing is, as he was averaging 5, I didn't realize that the college game and arms race and neutralization of the spread was changing so that averaging 7 would be like averaging 9 in the early Tiller years.

If Robert Marve and Ralph Bolden stayed healthy we probably win 8 games per year in 2010 and 2011.. And Hope is still our coach in a completely different present reality.

We are probably all bitching about how hope can "only win 7-8 games a year" getting to bask in our complete ignorance of what a nightmarish train wreck really looks like.

You could break a finger of mine for 8-4 and a so so bowl

 

[nat100]

I think most argue that hope was the wrong hire in the first place. Once Burke hired him, he shouldnt have cheaped on out the staff. That was the biggest sin in the hope hire.

 

[BoilermakerD]

I think most argue that hope was the wrong hire in the first place. Once Burke hired him, he shouldnt have cheaped on out the staff. That was the biggest sin in the hope hire.

Wrong hire compared to who though ... If the injuries at QB were just above average ..ask yourself this

Of the people who would have taken the job, how many do better? 20%? 40%? Probably closer to that than 100%.. Which is how many would do better than Hazell.

Wrong hire to me is not the same as saying there are better hires. Were there better? Sure. But Tiller ended up being better than Bob Davie, the hot coach before the hires were made.

Just sayin

 

[nat100]

Wrong hire in terms of fit. The issues were behind the scenes.

I think spack would have been the best long term, but it would have been a tough sell

 

[chaspark]

I think Hope was an average coach with below-average resume who got paid below-average money for his assistants. The problem was that fans were yelling for Tiller's head for "not getting back to the Rose Bowl" even though the main reason for his failure was due to Burke refusing to pay big money for his staff. I personally do believe that Morgan Burke wants Purdue to win; he just always wanted to do so with a tiny wallet. Unfortunately we are in the B1G; we can't win in the B1G with such a small budget. Back to Tiller, he was losing assistants left and right, which screwed up the recruiting too. But the fans didn't want to hear it. They just wanted Tiller gone and Burke obliged. Look what happened.

Yes, Tiller recommended Hope, but Burke accepted because he was a CHEAP option. I always thought that for the money he gets, Hope was doing an outstanding job. Sadly we never had paid him much to begin with. Was he gonna be a great coach with the bigger budget? I doubt it. But Tiller was. He was a great coach, but the fans thought they knew better. I'd say it is clear they were proven wrong.

Will Hazell be a better coach than Tiller or even Hope? Of course not. He has had money AND full support from Burke, which neither of the previous coaches had gotten, yet he had failed more drastically than both. To be frank, I think the fans rip on Hope because he was the living proof of how badly wrong they were about Tiller. We never should've fired Tiller so rashly.

 

[nat100]

Tiller wanted spack. Burke wanted cryst. Hope was the compromise

 

[Boilers1975]

Since, you know, before you compare, you have to start by recognizing the massive difference in average wins..

The difference...

Danny had to have yearly injuries destroy his QB position to have his QBs play as bad as Hazells did merely because darell a) had John shoop and b) thinks he is Jim tressel at Ohio state circa 2001.

Stop hating on Danny Hope. Stop even saying things like "I can't believe I'm defending him" or "he wasn't a good coach"

He was a good coach... He averaged what? 5 wins a year with a Derrick Rose like rash of injuries at QB... The thing is, as he was averaging 5, I didn't realize that the college game and arms race and neutralization of the spread was changing so that averaging 7 would be like averaging 9 in the early Tiller years.

If Robert Marve and Ralph Bolden stayed healthy we probably win 8 games per year in 2010 and 2011.. And Hope is still our coach in a completely different present reality.

We are probably all bitching about how hope can "only win 7-8 games a year" getting to bask in our complete ignorance of what a nightmarish train wreck really looks like.

You could break a finger of mine for 8-4 and a so so bowl

Don't forget Keith Smith all conference 1st team led the conference in # of receptions and yards blew his knee out 2nd game of senior season

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Tiller wanted spack. Burke wanted cryst. Hope was the compromise

After Morgan thought he could get Jason Garrett. Hilarious.

 

[BoilermakerD]

Dallas Cowboys Purdue same shit

 

[lbodel]

Since, you know, before you compare, you have to start by recognizing the massive difference in average wins..

The difference...

Danny had to have yearly injuries destroy his QB position to have his QBs play as bad as Hazells did merely because darell a) had John shoop and b) thinks he is Jim tressel at Ohio state circa 2001.

Stop hating on Danny Hope. Stop even saying things like "I can't believe I'm defending him" or "he wasn't a good coach"

He was a good coach... He averaged what? 5 wins a year with a Derrick Rose like rash of injuries at QB... The thing is, as he was averaging 5, I didn't realize that the college game and arms race and neutralization of the spread was changing so that averaging 7 would be like averaging 9 in the early Tiller years.

If Robert Marve and Ralph Bolden stayed healthy we probably win 8 games per year in 2010 and 2011.. And Hope is still our coach in a completely different present reality.

We are probably all bitching about how hope can "only win 7-8 games a year" getting to bask in our complete ignorance of what a nightmarish train wreck really looks like.

You could break a finger of mine for 8-4 and a so so bowl

Hope was in over his head. His biggest issue was his recruiting. Was the coaching staff as a whole better than what we have under Hazell? I'd say yes on paper. However, as others have alluded, there were some issues behind the scenes.

Either way, neither were/are good for Purdue going forward.

 

[pb1941]

Hope was in over his head. His biggest issue was his recruiting. Was the coaching staff as a whole better than what we have under Hazell? I'd say yes on paper. However, as others have alluded, there were some issues behind the scenes.

Either way, neither were/are good for Purdue going forward.

But he beat Ohio State twice and Michigan once in the 4-years as a head coach at Purdue. Now we are lucky to beat ISU and have lost to IU 3 times in a row which gives me diarrhea.Sorry about that!!

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Hope was in over his head. His biggest issue was his recruiting. Was the coaching staff as a whole better than what we have under Hazell? I'd say yes on paper. However, as others have alluded, there were some issues behind the scenes.

Either way, neither were/are good for Purdue going forward.

Ironically Hope was known as such a good recruiter and word is at USF, he is the closer again. I think though that he could not evaluate WHO to bring in. He needs to be told, "go get this guy."

When you look at his staff, not many guys went on to bigger/better. UTEP, Kent State, Tennessee Tech. Nord out of football.

 

[nat100]

Nord is out because of his back

The rest of the staff is as much about the war chest hope was given imo

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Nord is out because of his back

The rest of the staff is as much about the war chest hope was given imo

Exactly my point. I would have liked to have seen DH give Mark Hagen a shot as DC.

 

[nat100]

Pass on Hagen. He was fine as dt coach but meh at lb.

Only thing he did well was network in Indiana and Illinois. Might have made sense as ahc

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Pass on Hagen. He was fine as dt coach but meh at lb.

Only thing he did well was network in Indiana and Illinois. Might have made sense as ahc

I liked the way Mark recruited and think he is a good DL coach and put 10? guys in the league. His falling out with Hope didn't help.

 

[lbodel]

But he beat Ohio State twice and Michigan once in the 4-years as a head coach at Purdue. Now we are lucky to beat ISU and have lost to IU 3 times in a row which gives me diarrhea.Sorry about that!!

I mean it's all great, but random wins only mean so much. Also, the win against Michigan would be like bragging about our win against Nebraska this year.

Competing against good teams matters and that's something neither Hope or Hazell were/have been able to do. I just don't think it's really worth anyone's time to argue Hope vs. Hazell - I choose neither.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I mean it's all great, but random wins only mean so much. Also, the win against Michigan would be like bragging about our win against Nebraska this year.

Competing against good teams matters and that's something neither Hope or Hazell were/have been able to do. I just don't think it's really worth anyone's time to argue Hope vs. Hazell - I choose neither.

I would rather beat a few good teams than lose by 30 to them. Hope needed to go, but at this point I would rather have him than Derpel Haze.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Maybe with Cuck Pagano being ousted in Indy, that dope Ryan Grigson (he who completely failed to address the offensive line and get his franchise QB killed, signed Andre Johnson, Trent Cole, Todd Herman, traded for Trent Richardson, and drafted a guy who had 197 receiving yards with a first round pick) can buyout Purdue for the services of Darrell Hazell, since he was SO impressed with him as a member of Morgan's blue ribbon committee.