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Swanigan's decision

I'm sorry everyone, but I'm going to shout so that Nags will hear me.

YOU ARE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING! YOU ARE POSTING AN OPINION ABOUT BASKETBALL PLAYERS ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD. YOUR PERCEPTION OF YOUR IMPORTANCE TO THIS TEAM IS PURE DELUSION. SOMEONE IN TANZANIA WHO NEVER POSTS ON THIS BOARD BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO INTERNET HAS THE SAME IMPACT ON PURDUE'S W-L RECORD AS YOU DO.

Time is up. Your therapy session is over. That will be 5 cents, please.
Thats the rub with him. it's one thing to be critical of the coaching staff, it's another to be a pretentious douche about it like nag is. Many people have explained to him how his notion is not correct and given very good examples as to why, yet he ignores all of that and continues with his agenda.

At this point his posts are comical and whats worse is I don't think he sees the mockery he has become.
 
This.
How can this kid be so selfish, taking sooooooo looooooong to make a decision that will affect the rest of his life? Doesn't he know that ONE Purdue fan's needs are much more important than how his decisions may affect HIS life? He's even forcing those poor, underpaid coaches to waste precious DAYS recruiting players, when the scholarship may not even be there!!! Who does he think he is?! What did he ever do for Purdue University?! Oh, the injustice of it all!!!

TIC, for those who struggle with context.
FIFY!!!
 
For the record I think I read that McCoy is from Chicago but moved out to San Diego so he is familiar with the midwest.
Do you know if Eastern has any type of relationship with him? Travel team or High Schools were close to each other?

I have always felt the players recruit to the team as much as the coaches do......

All good stuff and Nag you and everyone against Taylor better admit and eat your words when he shines.

I know I will admit I was wrong if he fails...but I just don't see it.....he is going to give his heart and all his effort to be the best he can the next 2 years.

Can't wait to see it.....Boiler Up!
 
The reality of the situation is also that recruiting is very important. I don't want to potentially see a Brandon McCoy, Jeremiah Tillmon, or Malik Ondigo commit to another school because they didn't want to wait any longer for Swanigan to decide. That hurts the roster for next season and beyond.

You can say let Swanigan take his time because he was a very good player this season but what's more important to a college basketball program? Improving it for the future, or keeping a standout player that's probably leaving happy for another month and a half?

So you think it's wise to push him out the door? I bet all the other 5 stars (who probably figure to face this same situation in the future) would really push us up their list after that!
 
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I'm sorry everyone, but I'm going to shout so that Nags will hear me.

YOU ARE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING! YOU ARE POSTING AN OPINION ABOUT BASKETBALL PLAYERS ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD. YOUR PERCEPTION OF YOUR IMPORTANCE TO THIS TEAM IS PURE DELUSION. SOMEONE IN TANZANIA WHO NEVER POSTS ON THIS BOARD BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO INTERNET HAS THE SAME IMPACT ON PURDUE'S W-L RECORD AS YOU DO.

Time is up. Your therapy session is over. That will be 5 cents, please.

Liked this only because there was no LOVE button to click.
 
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PU52Chevy, do you have any prior relationship with Taylor? That is, or you related to him or friends with the family?
Nope none.....besides seeing him play in High School a couple times when I traveled up his way for work.

It should be obvious by now I like the Blue Collar guys that don't have all stars and spotlight, but yet are still as big as part of the team as anyone.

Ask any of the players they will tell you the value J. Taylor brings to the team and these next two years he gets to show it on the floor.

I am ready to see him shine...hope everyone else is too.

Boiler Up!
 
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Nope none.....besides seeing him play in High School a couple times when I traveled up his way for work.

It should be obvious by now I like the Blue Collar guys that don't have all stars and spotlight, but yet are still as big as part of the team as anyone.

Ask any of the players they will tell you the value J. Taylor brings to the team and these next two years he gets to show it on the floor.

I am ready to see him shine...hope everyone else is too.

Boiler Up!
I truly hope you are right because if so, then that would bring an unexpected positive to the team.
 
Do you know if Eastern has any type of relationship with him? Travel team or High Schools were close to each other?

I have always felt the players recruit to the team as much as the coaches do......

All good stuff and Nag you and everyone against Taylor better admit and eat your words when he shines.

I know I will admit I was wrong if he fails...but I just don't see it.....he is going to give his heart and all his effort to be the best he can the next 2 years.

Can't wait to see it.....Boiler Up!

No clue on this. I just thought I read it in an article somewhere he moved from Chicago out to San Diego, maybe when he was younger so I would kind of doubt that he has a relationship with Eastern. You see a lot of guys in the same class or within a class or two of each other that are familiar with other players but how well they really know them is up in the air.
 
Nope none.....besides seeing him play in High School a couple times when I traveled up his way for work.

It should be obvious by now I like the Blue Collar guys that don't have all stars and spotlight, but yet are still as big as part of the team as anyone.

Ask any of the players they will tell you the value J. Taylor brings to the team and these next two years he gets to show it on the floor.

I am ready to see him shine...hope everyone else is too.

Boiler Up!
PU52Chevy, thanks for the response. I was just curious. You have been very high his potential and I just wondered if maybe you had some connection closer than the rest of us. But you don't.

I think we would all love to see him make some substantial contributions, but I suspect most of us are keeping our expectations low.

I appreciate your upbeat attitude and your contributions.
 
52Chevy,
With all the personal attacks you have suffered in this thread I want to offer you the following heart felt words of support and friendship:
I love...






...your pickup truck.
The non-vegasy, old gold is beautiful and the half moons look fantastic.
I am close to getting my 85 K10 back on the road, this time with a 6.0 LS under the hood.
 
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I've seen a lot of sports forum posts turn into big world media columns almost word for word.
 
That article is spot on.

My take on this is that I strongly disagree with much of that article. While bits my be relevant, the major disagreement is the leading assumption that oh he should base his decision on having a great statistical year nothing to see here move along to get a blue light special deal in the Kmart section of the draft. If you want to be a top grade Polo shirt in the end of winter season for sale rack because its summer time then go in the draft. My opinion.

There are 3 very very compelling reasons why Swan needs to stay another year. Number one he cannot hurt his draft status next year by doing so in any way shape or form. Even if he completely flopped in the clumsiest possible way imaginable he has a 4th year to rely on possibility wise. He cannot lose by remaining in college another year. With remaining however, he can gain a tremendous amount of money, fame, and intangible publicity which would absolutely put him in a shoe deal category next year. Number two, his draft status this year is plagued by his slowness weakness. It is a glaring disadvantage. His 3 point setup is way too long. He'll never get those shots off in the NBA. His inside scoring isn't there yet at the NBA level and he must get faster. The NBA is not sure on him yet. They can't tell if he's a prize, a backup, or here today gone tomorrow. Can he get drafted in the low round 1? Maybe and maybe not. If he does and does not perform immediately in the NBA he will end up in the overseas leagues and that would put his overall NBA status in major jeopardy long term potentially costing him a tremendous amount of upfront money. Thirdly his opportunity cost is greater entering the draft this year than next year. He is at best a low 1st round pick, maybe a second round pick when you factor in overseas players. Most of these mock drafts greatly overlook overseas players. Does he want to risk being a low 1st or possibly second round pick?

While yes ultimately performing in NBA will elevate you as time goes on, but entering the NBA underrated and not performing above expectations can be a long lasting effect. I'd much rather enter NBA next year on fire with publicity, a convincing preseason player of the year finishing strong with back to back similar seasons and NCAA tournament drama level success to capstone the college career. Being a top lottery pick virtually guarantees you big money shoe like deals. You build your fame in college before you get to the NBA. Everybody knew LJ's name before he even stepped on the court. Curry as well. He has a chance to build MASSIVE FAME CREDS next year staying a junior season. You can't get that back that is priceless for next year's draft. Man he should savor every moment of another year to fame cred build. Highlights, victory, every dunk next year is like winning double down hands at the blackjack table. He'd be foolish to not return to Purdue with this supporting cast. The fame creds and name recognition he'd get. It would be in my mind catastrophic to not play out this junior year all things considered. Settling for this year's draft as a polo shirt on the for sale clearance rack would be disastrous in my mind. The NBA is a business and draft favors fame. Teams want people that can play and people want to see. One rule here. Fame creds equals draft creds. Everyone knows who Christian Laettner is. Shane Battier? While well known and a better player Christian is more well known. NBA has a problem right now nobody knows the player's names as much as in the past eras. Maybe a few. Most college kids today can name 10 NBA players from decades ago for every one today. College fame creds are priceless and the skids are greased for him next year should he choose to get on that train folks. Beleeeeee that.
 
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Yep can't hurt his draft status in any way possible by staying unless he gets Hummeled.
 
Shh... You shut your dirty mouth :p

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52Chevy,
With all the personal attacks you have suffered in this thread I want to offer you the following heart felt words of support and friendship:
I love...






...your pickup truck.
The non-vegasy, old gold is beautiful and the half moons look fantastic.
I am close to getting my 85 K10 back on the road, this time with a 6.0 LS under the hood.
awww shit we are gonna have to start a cars thread. somehow gm let cadi put an LSA in the V. 6.2L with 1.9L positive displacement blower. what a riot of a 4 door. that ls2 will sound great.
 
My take on this is that I strongly disagree with much of that article. While bits my be relevant, the major disagreement is the leading assumption that oh he should base his decision on having a great statistical year nothing to see here move along to get a blue light special deal in the Kmart section of the draft. If you want to be a top grade Polo shirt in the end of winter season for sale rack because its summer time then go in the draft. My opinion.

There are 3 very very compelling reasons why Swan needs to stay another year. Number one he cannot hurt his draft status next year by doing so in any way shape or form. Even if he completely flopped in the clumsiest possible way imaginable he has a 4th year to rely on possibility wise. He cannot lose by remaining in college another year. With remaining however, he can gain a tremendous amount of money, fame, and intangible publicity which would absolutely put him in a shoe deal category next year. Number two, his draft status this year is plagued by his slowness weakness. It is a glaring disadvantage. His 3 point setup is way too long. He'll never get those shots off in the NBA. His inside scoring isn't there yet at the NBA level and he must get faster. The NBA is not sure on him yet. They can't tell if he's a prize, a backup, or here today gone tomorrow. Can he get drafted in the low round 1? Maybe and maybe not. If he does and does not perform immediately in the NBA he will end up in the overseas leagues and that would put his overall NBA status in major jeopardy long term potentially costing him a tremendous amount of upfront money. Thirdly his opportunity cost is greater entering the draft this year than next year. He is at best a low 1st round pick, maybe a second round pick when you factor in overseas players. Most of these mock drafts greatly overlook overseas players. Does he want to risk being a low 1st or possibly second round pick?

While yes ultimately performing in NBA will elevate you as time goes on, but entering the NBA underrated and not performing above expectations can be a long lasting effect. I'd much rather enter NBA next year on fire with publicity, a convincing preseason player of the year finishing strong with back to back similar seasons and NCAA tournament drama level success to capstone the college career. Being a top lottery pick virtually guarantees you big money shoe like deals. You build your fame in college before you get to the NBA. Everybody knew LJ's name before he even stepped on the court. Curry as well. He has a chance to build MASSIVE FAME CREDS next year staying a junior season. You can't get that back that is priceless for next year's draft. Man he should savor every moment of another year to fame cred build. Highlights, victory, every dunk next year is like winning double down hands at the blackjack table. He'd be foolish to not return to Purdue with this supporting cast. The fame creds and name recognition he'd get. It would be in my mind catastrophic to not play out this junior year all things considered. Settling for this year's draft as a polo shirt on the for sale clearance rack would be disastrous in my mind. The NBA is a business and draft favors fame. Teams want people that can play and people want to see. One rule here. Fame creds equals draft creds. Everyone knows who Christian Laettner is. Shane Battier? While well known and a better player Christian is more well known. NBA has a problem right now nobody knows the player's names as much as in the past eras. Maybe a few. Most college kids today can name 10 NBA players from decades ago for every one today. College fame creds are priceless and the skids are greased for him next year should he choose to get on that train folks. Beleeeeee that.
So many words...
 
awww shit we are gonna have to start a cars thread. somehow gm let cadi put an LSA in the V. 6.2L with 1.9L positive displacement blower. what a riot of a 4 door. that ls2 will sound great.
Is that the 200 mph Caddy? Nasty machine.
The 85 K10 started up yesterday. Sounds fantastic. Old school dual straights through high flows. No cross pipes. It's got that sixties muscle rasp and cackle mixed into the rumble. Should be driving next week.
 
Is that the 200 mph Caddy? Nasty machine.
The 85 K10 started up yesterday. Sounds fantastic. Old school dual straights through high flows. No cross pipes. It's got that sixties muscle rasp and cackle mixed into the rumble. Should be driving next week.
it was the worlds fastest production sedan when released in 2009 (v2), they released the 200mph ad line with the v3 in 2016. Mine isn't stock anymore. Making 14-15 psi and added about 120rwhp over stock.
Straight through is the right way. I never understood the love of x pipes. Drive it like you stole it! I bet it's a hoot!
 
awww shit we are gonna have to start a cars thread. somehow gm let cadi put an LSA in the V. 6.2L with 1.9L positive displacement blower. what a riot of a 4 door. that ls2 will sound great.

No, I think we're good in this thread. There hasn't been any disagreements in the last several posts, so your cars input is very unnecessary.
 
I forgot. How high in the first round was Hummel projected before he was injured, and some team took what is at best called a late flyer on him in the second round?

I am also reminded of a 6'9 all American who stayed in college through his senior year and played on national championship NCAA team at Duke. The NBA draft was cruel and picked many unknown prospects over this known commodity. He was judged by NBA scouts as too slow and too short for his position.

Despite all his success in college, he was the 6th pick in the second round. He more than proved the NBA scouts wrong and made the NBA all star team twice and played on 2 Olympic teams. His net worth today is about $50 million.

His name? Carlos Boozer. You will laugh if you saw the names of the people drafted ahead of him. The NBA drafts on potential and the unknown verses known commodities. If Swanigan waits another year, his overall game will improve, but I highly doubt his draft stock will.
 
it was the worlds fastest production sedan when released in 2009 (v2), they released the 200mph ad line with the v3 in 2016. Mine isn't stock anymore. Making 14-15 psi and added about 120rwhp over stock.
Straight through is the right way. I never understood the love of x pipes. Drive it like you stole it! I bet it's a hoot!
Wow! So you are pushing 700 HP! Keep the dirty side down.
X pipes are good if you want a more mellow, sophisticated V8 sound. I don't.
 
I forgot. How high in the first round was Hummel projected before he was injured, and some team took what is at best called a late flyer on him in the second round?

I am also reminded of a 6'9 all American who stayed in college through his senior year and played on national championship NCAA team at Duke. The NBA draft was cruel and picked many unknown prospects over this known commodity. He was judged by NBA scouts as too slow and too short for his position.

Despite all his success in college, he was the 6th pick in the second round. He more than proved the NBA scouts wrong and made the NBA all star team twice and played on 2 Olympic teams. His net worth today is about $50 million.

His name? Carlos Boozer. You will laugh if you saw the names of the people drafted ahead of him. The NBA drafts on potential and the unknown verses known commodities. If Swanigan waits another year, his overall game will improve, but I highly doubt his draft stock will.


No his draft status won't improve at all. Why would it? He'd be preseason pick for player of the year unanimously. If you aren't ready to make an immediate impact on an NBA team you get shipped overseas. Why not go now when you don't have to. Oh wait if you get injured in college oh mommy, but if what about if you get injured in the NBA as a second round pick? How many careers died that way? One more year of college then go. It's the most sensible advice anyone could give him. At worst your draft remains unchanged. Would it matter anyways? Second round money isn't guaranteed. If you're going to be a second rounder or a low 1st round pick at least do it as a junior knowing it was your time not having to spend the rest of your life wishing you'd stay one more year with everything on the line. Fortune favors the bold. Easy money is where people go to die. The bold decision is to come back and defy all these group thinkers that say go. You want to make the right decision? Ask 1000 random people in this country right now and whatever 95% tell you to do then go do the opposite.
 
No his draft status won't improve at all. Why would it? He'd be preseason pick for player of the year unanimously. If you aren't ready to make an immediate impact on an NBA team you get shipped overseas. Why not go now when you don't have to. Oh wait if you get injured in college oh mommy, but if what about if you get injured in the NBA as a second round pick? How many careers died that way? One more year of college then go. It's the most sensible advice anyone could give him. At worst your draft remains unchanged. Would it matter anyways? Second round money isn't guaranteed. If you're going to be a second rounder or a low 1st round pick at least do it as a junior knowing it was your time not having to spend the rest of your life wishing you'd stay one more year with everything on the line. Fortune favors the bold. Easy money is where people go to die. The bold decision is to come back and defy all these group thinkers that say go. You want to make the right decision? Ask 1000 random people in this country right now and whatever 95% tell you to do then go do the opposite.


I just asked my son. I asked him would he go back to SIU next year and have a chance at becoming the 2018 MVC Decathlon Champion with a chance to compete in the 2018 NCAA championship and tor the 2020 Olympics tryouts, or accept a job that pays a guaranteed $1.5 - 2 million a year. he thought for 4 seconds, and said dad, I'd take the job.

And yes, most second round picks receive guaranteed contracts.
 
I just asked my son. I asked him would he go back to SIU next year and have a chance at becoming the 2018 MVC Decathlon Champion with a chance to compete in the 2018 NCAA championship and tor the 2020 Olympics tryouts, or accept a job that pays a guaranteed $1.5 - 2 million a year. he thought for 4 seconds, and said dad, I'd take the job.

And yes, most second round picks receive guaranteed contracts.

Guaranteed contract at what overseas? Disagreement big time. He goes to NBA this year his endorsement deals are virtually over until he makes a name in the NBA or he is overshadowed by every new hot recruit coming in to the NBA year in year out. He has got to come out of college having a career nobody can match. He can set NCAA records next year. He can be player of the year. Leaving this year in my mind is leave A WHOLE WHOLE lot of money on the table among other things. He has a chance to take Purdue to a final four next year. Maybe even win it all. The whole thing. Purdue is good enough to win it all next year. The whole bag. The whole thing. He works hard enough with this team offseason and believe me they'll have that chance. He needs to take that shot win lose or draw. He can always enter next year as a second rounder or equal his this year status. Then fine you can accept it and move on with no regrets. I say don't even set expectations high. Just come back and play out the season with the angst needed. Play strong next year he goes top 5 or higher depending on the team's performance next year should the succeed and NCAA. He needs to sit with the team and tell them if I come back you better go all out. Perfect way for team to commit and then they'll do it next year. He'll get everything he wants and more should he decide to play the junior year. Michael Jordan played his junior year out. I mean his stats fell between sophomore and junior year. Michael Jordan played out his junior year averaging 20 points per game at UNC as a sophomore. You want to be like Mike? You better if you want to have an NBA career. He could of been an average 1st round pick in NBA draft at end of his sophomore year. He said no precisely like Curry did. Came back played his junior year and went #3 in the draft overall. You think he made a bad choice? Did Curry? Accept the challenge and come back. Junior this thing out and go pro end of next season. The whole team is back. It would be foolish not to. Make next year about winning final four. If he makes it that and asks the team to commit to that goal he can and will succeed. Team commitment and he goes high possible one pick next year. Definite top 10. I can't see it any other way.
 
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ok, I'll ask the question. Does biggie seem like a guy who's interested in winning a championship and player of the year? and becoming famous? or is he more like Russell Cross and will take the money the first time it's offered?
 
ok, I'll ask the question. Does biggie seem like a guy who's interested in winning a championship and player of the year? and becoming famous? or is he more like Russell Cross and will take the money the first time it's offered?

The whole thing is a test. Phenoms come from high school to the pros. If you aren't that you better believe playing junior year is the only option. After all the hype and all the media circus and nonsense it all boils down to what you are. That's what nobody is sure of just yet. A player that leaves this year who is not considered a phenom for some money and to be a pro is making a tradeoff between winning and money. That's the decision that truly exists. If Swan comes back he is choosing to win. With winning will come even more money. The NBA will not overlook the risk he took. That's the reality. If he takes the money early it becomes about the money. That's the choice here. It's the drive for a championship. I could not live with myself bypassing next year. I'd sit the team down and ask them do you want me to return? Why? Are you going to commit to a final four if I come back because thats the goal if I do. That's what I'd ask the team. Then I'd make my decision. Jordan did not take that money. He came back to win the whole thing. Even though they got upset it was that act of choosing to return. He made the right choice. My choice would be to win. He'd be a unanimous preseason player of the year NCAA. He'd have a big ten championship NCAA sweet 16 team back with one mission. The only mission is a final four all the rest will follow. I hope he's the first rather than easy money. Easy money gonna come this year, next year, and the year after no matter what decision he makes this year. It is a mute point in my mind. He returns for a junior year and the whole sports world will know his name in next year's draft. I actually think if he were to return the team would achieve that goal. They've just got to decide firmly now that's what they want to do. Which is why if I were Swan I'd pull them into a team meeting and say I want a final four for the team. It's why I'm here it's why I passed on the money. He does that they go. Either way that act alone gets a whole higher level out of NBA scouts they'll put him way up the list for that alone and should be duplicate similar stats I see him going way up the charts.
 
I hope nothing ever happens to me that my name becomes a verb.

Before Hummel's knee, the most famous body part in Purdue history was Robinson's back.

I do vaguely recall a year between 2002-2006 where almost every starter blew out a knee or was arrested and kicked off the team. I may be exaggerating or remembering it incorrectly, but it sure felt like it.
 
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Before Hummel's knee, the most famous body part in Purdue history was Robinson's back.

I do vaguely recall a year between 2002-2006 where almost every starter blew out a knee or was arrested and kicked off the team. I may be exaggerating or remembering it incorrectly, but it sure felt like it.

You're probably thinking of 2005-2006 (Painter's first as Purdue HC):

-JC transfer Tarrance Crump suspended for a year after a hit-and-run accident (prior to ever playing a game for Purdue)

-freshman Korey Spates kicked off of the team after about 10-15 games

-freshman Nate Minnoy out for the season due to injury after about 10-15 games (then transferred out just prior to the start of the next season)

-senior Carl Landry redshirted after about 7 games due to injury from previous season not healing properly

-senior David Teague redshirted due to injury

-junior transfer from UConn (Marcus White) plays second semester for Purdue but leaves the program (and school I think) in the offseason
 
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