Swanigan's decision

[nagemj02]

Is it possible that his decision to once again enter the NBA Draft but not sign with an agent and possibly not make his decision final until the May 24th deadline could have an adverse effect on how quickly any one of Purdue's 2017 big targets makes a commitment?

I just think that if Painter doesn't really know what Swanigan will do and if he draws this out until the last minute, that some of the targets we already know about (Ondigo, McCoy, etc.) might get tired of waiting and decide to commit elsewhere.

 

[boiler-deuce]

I think Painter has a very good if not definite answer to this question. Biggie is not that classless to leave his coach hanging.

 

[BoilerStation]

I think Painter has a very good if not definite answer to this question. Biggie is not that classless to leave his coach hanging.

This is what I've been thinking. The fact that Painter is recruiting another big for the upcoming season spells it out that Biggie has every intention of staying in the draft.

 

[nagemj02]

That's what I was thinking as well but if he's staying in the NBA Draft and hiring an agent (Barnes, I presume?), then why didn't he just go ahead and say that today?

 

[BoilerStation]

That's what I was thinking as well but if he's staying in the NBA Draft and hiring an agent (Barnes, I presume?), then why didn't he just go ahead and say that today?

I don't see the hurry and it was pointed out elsewhere that Barnes doesn't have any NBA guys. I don't see a reason to rush it either way and quite frankly he may just like the attention he is getting right now with everybody telling him to come back another year.

 

[nagemj02]

It would provide clarity to say he's entering the NBA Draft AND signing with an agent.

I would hope that Painter and co. would not be doing all of this recruiting of 2017 bigs, just to have Swanigan announce that he's returning to Purdue after testing the waters once again. It would be time wasted for the coaching staff.

 

[BoilerStation]

It would provide clarity to say he's entering the NBA Draft AND signing with an agent.

I would hope that Painter and co. would not be doing all of this recruiting of 2017 bigs, just to have Swanigan announce that he's returning to Purdue after testing the waters once again. It would be time wasted for the coaching staff.

That's why I think Painter is fully clued into his plan and knows what he will do. He probably knew before this season that Caleb's plan was to enter the draft after this season.

 

[ghost_of_d.]

It would provide clarity to say he's entering the NBA Draft AND signing with an agent.

I would hope that Painter and co. would not be doing all of this recruiting of 2017 bigs, just to have Swanigan announce that he's returning to Purdue after testing the waters once again. It would be time wasted for the coaching staff.

Somehow I doubt that the coaching staff would be the slightest bit upset if they spent the next month recruiting only to have their 1st team All American decide to come back for another year.

 

[Casey and his Brother]

If one player leaving sets you back, it's no wonder 51 programs have made a Final Four since your last visit.

 

[TC4THREE]

He probably knows it's overwhelmingly likely he's gone but I doubt he'll fill the scholarship until it's official. If there's a 1% chance he comes back then we'll wait for it.

 

[asby]

Why not recruit a big? We had absolutely no big depth....Taylor can't be count on to actually play next year...

 

[nagemj02]

He probably knows it's overwhelmingly likely he's gone but I doubt he'll fill the scholarship until it's official. If there's a 1% chance he comes back then we'll wait for it.

but that's what I'm saying

IF Painter truly doesn't know what Swanigan will do, Biggie waiting until a very late date to decide IS actually wasting their time (important when trying to get a coveted recruit) when it comes to the staff trying to sign the best big/shot-blocker/defender on their radar for next season's team.

 

[nagemj02]

Somehow I doubt that the coaching staff would be the slightest bit upset if they spent the next month recruiting only to have their 1st team All American decide to come back for another year.

I would be if I were in that position, regardless of how good the returning player would be. I'd rather have a heads up instead of spending time going after something that won't be available in the end.

 

[nagemj02]

If one player leaving sets you back, it's no wonder 51 programs have made a Final Four since your last visit.

I don't know if that really makes sense in pertaining to this topic. I know what you're getting at, but it doesn't really address my question at hand. Plus, Purdue has shown several times since 1980 that it has the players capable of knocking on the "Final Four door". It just might take a couple of other adjustments or changes to break through it.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I don't know if that really makes sense in pertaining to this topic. I know what you're getting at, but it doesn't really address my question at hand. Plus, Purdue has shown several times since 1980 that it has the players capable of knocking on the "Final Four door". It just might take a couple of other adjustments or changes to break through it.

Or key players not getting injured.

 

[Dakota Girl]

My favorite aspect of this thread is that no mater what topic the OP starts with, he always manages to bring it around to the same tired personal agenda points.

 

[BoiledSteel]

My favorite aspect of this thread is that no mater what topic the OP starts with, he always manages to bring it around to the same tired personal agenda points.

You can set your watch to it.

 

[BoilerAndy]

I don't know if that really makes sense in pertaining to this topic. I know what you're getting at, but it doesn't really address my question at hand. Plus, Purdue has shown several times since 1980 that it has the players capable of knocking on the "Final Four door". It just might take a couple of other adjustments or changes to break through it.

You seem to be obsessing over something that really isn't that important. If a team is going to recruit potential one-and-dones, then they should expect to deal with this every year. Painter has had enough experience with players leaving and rumored to be leaving for whatever reasons that it shouldn't be considered wasting time going after his back-up plans. It's all part of college basketball in the 21st Century.

The other option is to sign the first big man who commits, and then crean someone. Uh, no. It's within the rules, but an unethical practice.

 

[pboiler18]

You can set your watch to it.

In 1 year he's gone from one of the best posters on the board to close to the worst.

 

[rgarlitz]

I can see both sides of this one.

I agree with Nags from a recruiting standpoint. It would probably be best for Caleb to make it official and open up the scholarship.

That said, perhaps the fact that Swanigan hasn't closed the door, coupled with draft projections that seem to have him pegged for the late first round, and the possibility that more potential first-rounders might still declare, makes it at least conceivable that Swanigan really hasn't made up his mind.

In that case, the question becomes --- is one All-American in the hand really better than two or three prospects still in the bush if the one in the hand could fly away at any moment? I don't know.

But, I can see Nags point. If Swanigan really is still undecided it does put Painter in something of a bind. He can't tell a guy, "hey, don't worry, there's going to be a scholarship next year for you."

 

[BoilerJS]

I can see both sides of this one.

I agree with Nags from a recruiting standpoint. It would probably be best for Caleb to make it official and open up the scholarship.

That said, perhaps the fact that Swanigan hasn't closed the door, coupled with draft projections that seem to have him pegged for the late first round, and the possibility that more potential first-rounders might still declare, makes it at least conceivable that Swanigan really hasn't made up his mind.

In that case, the question becomes --- is one All-American in the hand really better than two or three prospects still in the bush if the one in the hand could fly away at any moment? I don't know.

But, I can see Nags point. If Swanigan really is still undecided it does put Painter in something of a bind. He can't tell a guy, "hey, don't worry, there's going to be a scholarship next year for you."

Well, 'Here's to America the land of the push, where a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. But if in that bush a fair maiden should stand, a push in the bush is worth two in the hand.'
Biggie is gone. As he should be. Let's hope Painter lands a decent big for this year and the next 3 years. As stated above, Haas will be gone, Haarms is better suited to play the 4 position and Taylor is still an unknown, We will really need a true big for the 2018-2019 season.

 

[Poprudy]

Because Biggie really isn't 100% sure. He is in Chicago working his tail off at Tim Grovers gym and the NBA combine to see what his position is in the Draft. When they figure this out then we will have an answer. Don't be surprised if he comes back...just saying it could happen. Don't hate the kid for a life decision.

 

[TC4THREE]

People are really making this too complicated. You have a consensus AA here. You just wait on him to make the final call on his schedule which I believe the deadline is sometime in May anyway. Not that hard.

 

[rgarlitz]

To be fair, it's really just something to talk about now that we're in the off-season.

I don't think anybody is going to resent Caleb regardless of what he decides or when he decides it. Nobody's pushing him out the door. It's the off-season; it's natural to turn our attention to recruiting.

 

[TC4THREE]

To be fair, it's really just something to talk about now that we're in the off-season.

I don't think anybody is going to resent Caleb regardless of what he decides or when he decides it. Nobody's pushing him out the door. It's the off-season; it's natural to turn our attention to recruiting.

I think it starts by recognizing the reality of the situation and just because the fans are ready to know doesn't mean that it needs to happen at a quicker pace. We all know what that decision is likely to be but we'll know when we know.

 

[NVBoilerFan]

I think it starts by recognizing the reality of the situation and just because the fans are ready to know doesn't mean that it needs to happen at a quicker pace. We all know what that decision is likely to be but we'll know when we know.

You mean my need to know isn't part of the decision making process? I feel slighted and am now triggered. Watch out box of Twinkies.

 

[nagemj02]

My favorite aspect of this thread is that no mater what topic the OP starts with, he always manages to bring it around to the same tired personal agenda points.

This is ironic, coming from someone with their own agenda in this thread.

I think you're looking too deep into this. I simply think Biggie's delaying whether he stays in the draft or not could hurt how quickly Purdue gets a big man commit for next season. If the best prospect available wants to commit to Purdue RIGHT NOW, it DOES hurt that Swanigan hasn't made his intent of whether to stay in the draft or not official yet, regardless of how much you dislike me (the feeling is mutual) or don't want to read it.

 

[nagemj02]

I think it starts by recognizing the reality of the situation and just because the fans are ready to know doesn't mean that it needs to happen at a quicker pace. We all know what that decision is likely to be but we'll know when we know.

The reality of the situation is also that recruiting is very important. I don't want to potentially see a Brandon McCoy, Jeremiah Tillmon, or Malik Ondigo commit to another school because they didn't want to wait any longer for Swanigan to decide. That hurts the roster for next season and beyond.

You can say let Swanigan take his time because he was a very good player this season but what's more important to a college basketball program? Improving it for the future, or keeping a standout player that's probably leaving happy for another month and a half?

 

[PU52Chevy]

So nag is your brain going to explode if Ondigo commits Thursday when he is here and Biggie hasn't decided yet.....then what?

Things always work themselves out and Painter has a plan we all don't know about yet.

Sasha could go to prep school, someone may be transferring we don't know about, all kinds of things could happen.

Purdue basketball is positive and relevant again so sit back and enjoy it instead of picking it apart.

Purdue will have one of the deepest teams it has every had next year with or without Biggie and that is exciting.

Enjoy it and let Painter work his plan......I know I am.

Now let's play some football!

 

[nagemj02]

So nag is your brain going to explode if Ondigo commits Thursday when he is here and Biggie hasn't decided yet.....then what?

Things always work themselves out and Painter has a plan we all don't know about yet.

Sasha could go to prep school, someone may be transferring we don't know about, all kinds of things could happen.

Purdue basketball is positive and relevant again so sit back and enjoy it instead of picking it apart.

Purdue will have one of the deepest teams it has every had next year with or without Biggie and that is exciting.

Enjoy it and let Painter work his plan......I know I am.

Now let's play some football!

I'm not going to sit back. If you want to see something at its best (in this case, a basketball program), you have to questions things and decide whether it's really what you want to see happening. If you always sit back and think something along the lines of "oh yeah, that's fine", you're going to miss some important details and then be saying later, "oh, it would have been great if such-and-such things had happened" and then you'll revert back to "oh well, it's fine".

 

[PU52Chevy]

I'm not going to sit back. If you want to see something at its best (in this case, a basketball program), you have to questions things and decide whether it's really what you want to see happening. If you always sit back and think something along the lines of "oh yeah, that's fine", you're going to miss some important details and then be saying later, "oh, it would have been great if such-and-such things had happened" and then you'll revert back to "oh well: it's fine".

Ha Ha Ha your hopeless man.....you control nothing and never will, but go ahead knock yourself out.

Having an opinion is good but questioning others decision who actually have control before they even happen is hopeless wasted time.

Good for you and I wish you well......but sorry got to put you on the ignore list for awhile because your stick is getting old....I will tune in next season for your line-ups but other than that I can't take the sky is falling shit anymore.

 

[nagemj02]

Ha Ha Ha your hopeless man.....you control nothing and never will, but go ahead knock yourself out.

Having an opinion is good but questioning others decision who actually have control before they even happen is hopeless wasted time.

Good for you and I wish you well......but sorry got to put you on the ignore list for awhile because your stick is getting old....I will tune in next season for your line-ups but other than that I can't take the sky is falling shit anymore.

Saying things will be just fine to yourself and on this board all of the time gets old as well. Jacquil Taylor seems like a nice guy, but it's unlikely that he will be anything more than a role player in his remaining seasons at Purdue.

You seem to delude yourself and don't want to admit or acknowledge it. Anything that is not absolutely sunshine-y positive regarding the program (ANY topic related to it) would be considered "the sky is falling" to you when that's not the reality of it.

 

[BuilderBob6]

Nage just thinks, if Biggie is gonna leave, the coaching staff could make better use of their time scouting JUCO guards that are quick, athletic, shoot 50% from three and can drive around anyone while balancing a clipboard on his head (with a 2-3 zone drawn on it).

 

[Dakota Girl]

This is ironic, coming from someone with their own agenda in this thread.

I think you're looking too deep into this. I simply think Biggie's delaying whether he stays in the draft or not could hurt how quickly Purdue gets a big man commit for next season. If the best prospect available wants to commit to Purdue RIGHT NOW, it DOES hurt that Swanigan hasn't made his intent of whether to stay in the draft or not official yet, regardless of how much you dislike me (the feeling is mutual) or don't want to read it.

That really hurts little buddy. I thought you loved me.
Not sure what my agenda is in the thread (only have one post in it prior to this one) other than to point out more of your silliness, and no it has nothing to do with Swanigan as I couldn't care less when he makes his decision. His life. His choice. His prerogative.
As far as wether I like you or not, well $hit brother, I like you better than anybody on here. Your stuff is freakin hilarious.

 

[Dakota Girl]

I'm not going to sit back. If you want to see something at its best (in this case, a basketball program), you have to questions things and decide whether it's really what you want to see happening. If you always sit back and think something along the lines of "oh yeah, that's fine", you're going to miss some important details and then be saying later, "oh, it would have been great if such-and-such things had happened" and then you'll revert back to "oh well, it's fine".

I will never put you on ignore Nags! This kind of comedy just can't be found anywhere else.
Keep on firing at 52 so I can just sit back, read, chuckle over and over for a while.

 

[BoilerAndy]

Because Biggie really isn't 100% sure. He is in Chicago working his tail off at Tim Grovers gym and the NBA combine to see what his position is in the Draft. When they figure this out then we will have an answer. Don't be surprised if he comes back...just saying it could happen. Don't hate the kid for a life decision.

This.
How can this kid be so selfish, taking sooooooo looooooong to make a decision that will affect the rest of his life? Doesn't he know that some Purdue fan's needs are much more important than how his decisions may affect HIS life? He's even forcing those poor, underpaid coaches to waste precious DAYS recruiting players, when the scholarship may not even be there!!! Who does he think he is?! What did he ever do for Purdue University?! Oh, the injustice of it all!!!

TIC, for those who struggle with context.

 

[BoilerAndy]

I'm not going to sit back. If you want to see something at its best (in this case, a basketball program), you have to questions things and decide whether it's really what you want to see happening. If you always sit back and think something along the lines of "oh yeah, that's fine", you're going to miss some important details and then be saying later, "oh, it would have been great if such-and-such things had happened" and then you'll revert back to "oh well, it's fine".

I'm sorry everyone, but I'm going to shout so that Nags will hear me.

YOU ARE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING! YOU ARE POSTING AN OPINION ABOUT BASKETBALL PLAYERS ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD. YOUR PERCEPTION OF YOUR IMPORTANCE TO THIS TEAM IS PURE DELUSION. SOMEONE IN TANZANIA WHO NEVER POSTS ON THIS BOARD BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO INTERNET HAS THE SAME IMPACT ON PURDUE'S W-L RECORD AS YOU DO.

Time is up. Your therapy session is over. That will be 5 cents, please.

 

[Chauncey Hill]

Anybody who read the SI article on Caleb shouldn't be surprised. Caleb and Barnes' business-decision criteria was made very clear in that article, so how it would be a good business decision to cut down on their options by hiring an agent? If they are truly serious about it then they won't actually make a decision until after the evaluation, although I have to think there's no doubt in Caleb's mind.

Could that put a crimp in our late recruitment? Possibly, but if that's the price for getting a kid like Caleb into the program, then so be it. I think it's a pipe dream that we'll get either Tilmon or McCoy. Other than McCoy's bizarre comment that Purdue was a +1 to his Final Five, I haven't seen anything that connects them to Purdue other than wishful forum thinking. Don't see a kid from San Diego coming to West Lafayette when he's got good (and warmer) options much closer to home. Wouldn't be surprised to see Ondigo here next year though.

 

[buffboiler]

Purdue will have one of the deepest teams it has every had next year with or without Biggie and that is exciting.

Enjoy it and let Painter work his plan......I know I am.

Now let's play some football!

Yay!

Let''s have some fun in Purdue football for a change!!
Anything better than 4-8 football season will be just fabulous!!

And what comes next?

A blood pumping manic ride to the Wonderland.
What, how, and by who? I don't care!
Let Painter figure that out!

Yay^2!!

 

[BoilerStation]

Anybody who read the SI article on Caleb shouldn't be surprised. Caleb and Barnes' business-decision criteria was made very clear in that article, so how it would be a good business decision to cut down on their options by hiring an agent? If they are truly serious about it then they won't actually make a decision until after the evaluation, although I have to think there's no doubt in Caleb's mind.

Could that put a crimp in our late recruitment? Possibly, but if that's the price for getting a kid like Caleb into the program, then so be it. I think it's a pipe dream that we'll get either Tilmon or McCoy. Other than McCoy's bizarre comment that Purdue was a +1 to his Final Five, I haven't seen anything that connects them to Purdue other than wishful forum thinking. Don't see a kid from San Diego coming to West Lafayette when he's got good (and warmer) options much closer to home. Wouldn't be surprised to see Ondigo here next year though.

For the record I think I read that McCoy is from Chicago but moved out to San Diego so he is familiar with the midwest.