How Painter used them? I was sorry to see Myles go, but Braden was hesitant to pass to Myles because he knew if he did, the shot would go up and Myles did not shoot it well last year. If you're saying they needed to be in a situation with more PT, I agree, but if you're implying they were mis-used, I think those guys have to look in the mirror first.
You make it sound like a redshirt makes you less of a player. You might be surprised to learn a top 10 player a 2nd team all American redshirted. Did other players look at TKR with less respect because he redshirted? And before anyone says he was injured it was a broken finger. Painter recruits to fill rolls and yes Jack was recruited to fill the roll held by Fletch the 3. Playing time isn't won in games it is won in practice. Did Myles see Benter as a challenger of course as well as Harris and Cox. Painter after every season meets with the players one on one and tells them what he see's going forward. With Myles there was no path for success this year. That had to be because he was behind more than one player. Cam was wanted but not as a starter because Daniel being back meant he had to compete with TKR at the 4 yes, the redshirt so did redshirt players effect Myles and Cam leaving clearly. I wish them both well, but I felt like it was time to cut and run. Not picking on you for your opinion I just don't agree.
I did appreciate both players, but their opportunity in that half was in large part due to what Houston was taking away. I would classify it more as an anecdote. Both are replaceable and I like the depth that Purdue has at both positions.
I think you’re projecting a bit with that redshirt statement. My redshirt statement was intended to indicate that I find it hard to believe that Myles was very worried about a kid with no college playing experience. Completely agree, that doesn’t mean that Jack can’t be a great player at some point or even that he couldn’t have beaten out Myles.
The point is that even though Benter has no college game experience, Myles played against him ever day and knew what he was up against. At a time when we all expected Myles to start cementing his role on the team, playing time at his position(s) was becoming more, not less questionable.
I get the argument.
I don't think it was Myles decision in fact I know it wasn't.
Obviously, you don't have to elaborate if you don't want to, but I can read that one of two ways 1) MP and staff went beyond telling Myles that he had to compete for minutes and suggested or outright told him it was time to pack up or 2) Rosie was the one calling the shots on where Myles plays next season.
He shot 31% from 3 while challenging Fletch for minutes 44%. The kid was recruited to play a wing 31% from deep on a team built to have at least 3 shooters on the court won't work. After 2 full years of opportunity IMO, he didn't raise his game to an elite level. If as reported and I know it's true Jack is as good as Fletch from 3 why would he see the court in a shooter's role? Rosie can blame his poor performance on Painter not running enough plays for him, but he shot 41-131 from 3 just 38 less attempts than Fletch and more than anyone other than Smith and Loyer. He got his chance, and he didn't deliver! You can't play a shooters role when you can't shoot. I haven't seen anyone say he was a better shooter than Jack or CJ. I have but don't need inside info on why he left only Paint and Myles know what was said. But the term of don't let the door hit you where the lord split, you comes to mind. I get it he is a Purdue legacy, and fans tend to view his game with rose colored glasses the numbers don't lie. I have never seen or heard Rosie was trying to call the shots personally I would doubt that ever happened.
I don't think anyone disagrees his and Heide's playstyle just didn't fit here. I don't think either are spot shooters that Painter wanted to fold in. I think both would do better in an offense that prioritizes fast break opportunities and drives to the basket, not a team that has a lot of post up, inside out play like we do. No criticisms of anyone needs to happen. Just weren't fits that worked for either the team or the players despite what I am sure was everyone's best efforts.
We didn't play that style last year. It was all PnR, off ball movement, Drive and dish, etc. There were some post ups for TKR, but he isn't big enough to do it effectively so it was usually a PnR and a shot from just inside the free throw line or a pass out for 3.
Strongly disagree that Trey isn’t big enough to post up effectively, but the rest is spot on. Last year‘s offense didn’t look much like the two previous years.
Good post. I'm somewhat putting word in you mouth, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like Myles may have gone into that meeting with MP saying something like 'I need to be featured more' and coach said something like 'that's not going to happen and you need to play better to stay in the rotation'. Fan fiction on my part with the conversation, but I can see that being the gist of it.
I guess a better way of saying it is TKR isn't effective at 1970's style post up's like Edey was. Edey could move his man 6-8 feet closer to the basket by backing into him. Edey could take the double and play through it. TKR doesn't do that. He can go a couple dribbles inside, but he isn't moving his man a ton, and if he waits for the double he is likely passing it back out.
I think their styles fit but their games were not making the jump that Painter expected....IMO.
Agree on West, Beef. Oldboiler has been excited about him for quite some time. I just don’t see how he gets much action this year…unless he can beat out gicarri or CJ for some mins!
The thing about Antione the first time I watched a full game I thought this kid is physical without fouling he was a slightly build sophomore then. Yes, Painter was on him that long. And then this year he showed up 10-15lbs of muscle heavier. When his team went to zone, he played the 5 slot even though he wasn't the tallest. Kid has great hops for 6.3 and you nailed it he is physical and capable of putting up a triple double any night. I have seen it countless times his team needs a spark, and he drops back-to-back three's I call that clutch. He is going to be a good PG maybe Great. I know Painter wanted Cam to stay because he said so but playing back up minutes behind an All American what are we talking about 6-8 per.
Stop….my erection can only get so hard.
Well said.
TKR channeling his inner Trevion Williams.
This. Cline, Ivey, and Carsen had completely different games, but all were shining stars under Painter. So what made Myles' talent so unique that Painter couldn't let him show his juice?
Seems like dropping out. Probably a safety issue.
Selfishly, this may be good for Purdue if Omer is able to get over to join the team quickly. At this point, I'm not sure that he needs more high-level international experience. Getting in the gym with the team and starting to pick up the system may be more valuable in his case.
Yeah makes most sense for what’s going on over there right now. Wonder how quickly who get out of the country…maybe he’d have to fly out of another country’s airport?
Interesting point since everyone is required to do military service. I wonder if it is within a specific age range that your commitment must be completed.
One exemption is residing abroad, so one assumes as long as he makes it over here, he won't be signed up for conscription. He probably should find his way over sooner than later before things deteriorate further.
Israel's military conscription requirements, governed by the Defense Service Law of 1986, mandate compulsory service for most citizens and permanent residents over the age of 18. Here’s a detailed overview based on available information:
Who Must Serve
- Eligible Groups:
- Jewish citizens (men and women) and Druze men are subject to mandatory conscription. Circassian men are also required to serve.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Israel-Defense-Forces- Non-Druze Arab citizens (including Arab Muslims, Christians, and Bedouins) are exempt from conscription but may volunteer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exemption_from_military_service_in_Israel- Permanent residents, even those with dual citizenship, are also subject to the draft if they meet age and health criteria.
https://embassies.gov.il/roma-en/ConsularServices/Pages/arrangements-of-military-service.aspx- Age: Conscription applies to individuals aged 18 and older. The maximum age for mandatory service is typically 29 for men and 26 for women, though specific rules apply for older immigrants or professionals like doctors.
https://welcome-israel.com/blog/israeli-army-for-new-immigrants
Service Duration
- Men:
- Generally required to serve 32 months (2 years and 8 months). As of July 2024, this was extended to 36 months for those aged 18–19.
https://welcome-israel.com/blog/israeli-army-for-new-immigrants- Male immigrants arriving after age 27 may serve shorter periods (e.g., 20 months) or be exempt.
https://welcome-israel.com/blog/israeli-army-for-new-immigrants- Women:
- Required to serve 24 months (2 years). Certain roles, like combat positions, may require 32 months.
https://www.nbn.org.il/nbnlsp/army-service-length-of-service-for-men-and-women/- Female immigrants arriving after age 27 serve 18 months, or 12 months if they are doctors or dentists aged 35–38.
https://welcome-israel.com/blog/israeli-army-for-new-immigrants- New Immigrants (Olim):
- Conscription typically begins one year after arrival to allow for acclimation. The “age of arrival” determines service length, calculated based on entry into Israel and length of stay.
https://www.mitgaisim.idf.il/%D7%9B%D7%AA%D7%91%D7%95%D7%AA/english/exclusive-service/the-duration-of-a-new-immigrants-military-service/
https://welcome-israel.com/blog/military-service-in-israel- Immigrants arriving after the age cutoff (e.g., 28 for men, 27 for women) may be exempt or serve voluntarily for shorter periods.
https://welcome-israel.com/blog/israeli-army-for-new-immigrants
Exemptions
Exemptions are granted on specific grounds, though some are controversial:
- Religious Grounds:
- Ultra-Orthodox (Haredi) Jews: Historically exempt under the Torato Umanuto arrangement for full-time yeshiva study, this was ruled unlawful by Israel’s Supreme Court in June 2024. The IDF began drafting Haredi men in July 2024, though compliance has been low (e.g., only dozens enlisted out of 12,000 draft orders).
https://apnews.com/article/israel-p...es-netanyahu-4104a52233cf9d573803d2a845342c17
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exemption_from_military_service_in_Israel- Religious Jewish women: May be exempt if they declare adherence to religious observances (e.g., dietary laws, Sabbath travel restrictions). About 35–44% of Jewish women avoid conscription on these grounds, though the IDF has tightened scrutiny to prevent false claims.
- Family Status:
- Married women, pregnant women, or mothers are automatically exempt.
https://www.nbn.org.il/nbnlsp/army-service-length-of-service-for-men-and-women/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exemption_from_military_service_in_Israel- Married men or those with dependent children may serve shorter periods or be exempt, especially among new immigrants.
https://welcome-israel.com/blog/israeli-army-for-new-immigrants- Medical or Psychological Grounds: A medical board evaluates fitness. In 2013, 13.5% of potential conscripts were exempted for psychological reasons, 2% for physical health, and 3% for criminal records.
- Expatriate Status: Those residing abroad may be exempt.
- Conscientious Objection: Pacifists or those with political objections can request exemption, but they must convince a committee of their sincerity. Refusal to serve may lead to jail time, though enforcement is inconsistent.
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Conscription_in_Israel- Other Programs:
- Religious Zionist men may join the Hesder program, combining military service (16 months) with Talmudic studies over five years.
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Conscription_in_Israel- Women may opt for Sherut Leumi (national service) instead of military service, involving community work.
Reserve Duty
- After completing mandatory service, most conscripts are eligible for reserve duty in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) until age 40 for soldiers and 45 for officers. In June 2024, proposals were introduced to extend these limits to 41 for soldiers and 46 for officers, with specialized roles (e.g., doctors, combat reservists) potentially serving until age 50 or 52.
- Reservists may be called up for training or active duty, typically up to 45 days per year, though this can increase during national emergencies (e.g., the 2023–2024 Gaza conflict saw extensive reserve mobilization).
- Exemptions from reserve duty may apply for medical reasons, family obligations, or residence abroad. New immigrants may have reduced reserve obligations depending on their age and length of service.
Additional Details
- Enforcement and Compliance:
- Draft evasion is a criminal offense, punishable by fines or imprisonment, though enforcement varies. For example, conscientious objectors may face jail time but can sometimes negotiate alternative service.
- The 2024 Supreme Court ruling ending blanket exemptions for ultra-Orthodox (Haredi) Jews led to increased draft efforts, but compliance remains low, with only a small fraction of the targeted 12,000 Haredi men enlisting by late 2024.
- Voluntary Service:
- Exempt groups, such as Arab citizens or ultra-Orthodox Jews, can volunteer. Volunteers may serve in combat or non-combat roles, with some Bedouin and Druze communities having high voluntary enlistment rates.
- Sherut Leumi (national service) is an alternative for women and some exempt men, involving 1–2 years of work in education, healthcare, or community services.
- Immigrant Considerations:
- New immigrants (olim) arriving before age 28 (men) or 27 (women) are typically required to serve, with service length adjusted based on age and family status. For example:
- Men aged 18–19 serve 36 months (as of July 2024).
- Women aged 18–19 serve 24 months, or 32 months for combat roles.
- Immigrants arriving after age 27 may serve 12–20 months or be exempt, especially if married or with children.
- A one-year acclimation period is often granted before conscription begins.
- Combat vs. Non-Combat Roles:
- Conscripts are assigned roles based on physical and psychological evaluations. Combat roles, open to both men and women, require longer training and commitment (e.g., 32 months for women in combat units like artillery or border police).
- Non-combat roles include intelligence, logistics, or administrative positions, often with shorter training periods.
Key Considerations
- Cultural and Political Context: Mandatory conscription is a cornerstone of Israeli society, reflecting the country’s security needs. However, debates over exemptions (especially for Haredi Jews) and gender equality in combat roles remain contentious.
- Recent Developments: The 2024 extension of mandatory service to 36 months for men and increased reserve age limits reflect heightened security demands due to ongoing regional conflicts.
- Support for Conscripts: The IDF provides language training for immigrants, psychological support, and integration programs to ease service for diverse populations.
