Recruiting ratings - I have asked before but does anyone really know

[Woodsa]

PREMISE: recruiting stars are gifts based not on skill but on popularity of a resource. Those who gain early exposure or positive press, continue to impress, while marketing themselves gain the 5 stars. Those who are evaluated by coaches while continuing to impress go from 2/3 stars to 4 stars (i.e., Ertel).

What I find intriguing is that most of these 5-start talents are assessed when they are younger, play against lesser talent, market themselves based on name/school/program, and work their way into elite programs. But, then their attitude kicks in as their entire life they have been told how good they are getting paid $$$$ to play their sport. Most are not open to coaching, development, or working harder to get better (i.e., Dickerson).

Good coaches do not rely on stars but understand their program, what its needs are, and who best fits their needs taking into account attitude, personality, drive, commitment, character. All kids make mistakes, but better kids try not to put themselves in such situations.

All that being said...

1. Is there a fixed number of 5 and 4 stars per sport? Or,
2. Is it a percentage of available players in a given recruiting year, thereby applying a performance bell curve to all recruits in a given class?
3. Is it fair to say that given star recruit in one year may be better or worse than an equally starred recruit from a different year as the overall strength of the recruiting class fluctuates?

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

PREMISE: recruiting stars are gifts based not on skill but on popularity of a resource. Those who gain early exposure or positive press, continue to impress, while marketing themselves gain the 5 stars. Those who are evaluated by coaches while continuing to impress go from 2/3 stars to 4 stars (i.e., Ertel).

What I find intriguing is that most of these 5-start talents are assessed when they are younger, play against lesser talent, market themselves based on name/school/program, and work their way into elite programs. But, then their attitude kicks in as their entire life they have been told how good they are getting paid $$$$ to play their sport. Most are not open to coaching, development, or working harder to get better (i.e., Dickerson).

Good coaches do not rely on stars but understand their program, what its needs are, and who best fits their needs taking into account attitude, personality, drive, commitment, character. All kids make mistakes, but better kids try not to put themselves in such situations.

All that being said...

1. Is there a fixed number of 5 and 4 stars per sport? Or,
2. Is it a percentage of available players in a given recruiting year, thereby applying a performance bell curve to all recruits in a given class?
3. Is it fair to say that given star recruit in one year may be better or worse than an equally starred recruit from a different year as the overall strength of the recruiting class fluctuates?

Isn’t it like top 20-25 kids are 5 stars? And then it goes to 140 are 4 stars.

 

[qazplm]

Isn’t it like top 20-25 kids are 5 stars? And then it goes to 140 are 4 stars.

I believe each service does it slightly differently but that's a rough guide.

Obviously no ratings are perfect. There are going to be 4-5 stars that disappoint and no stars that go to the NBA and everything in between.

But I don't think it's absolute rubbish either. There's some utility to it, just can't be a slave to it like any system or tool.

 

[Steve83]

I think there should be 6 stars. Because you give players 5 stars and then if they get better and you’ve already given them 5 stars there’s no where else to go. 6 stars would give you that little push; that little extra at the end.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

I think there should be 6 stars. Because you give players 5 stars and then if they get better and you’ve already given them 5 stars there’s no where else to go. 6 stars would give you that little push; that little extra at the end.

Then what happens when they get 6 stars and then get better?

 

[Wolegib]

So it’s possible that the quality of being a 5 star could vary in quality from each year to each other. So this year’s 5 star might not be as good as last year’s 4 star? Rather than the standards they use to rate hotels and restaurants, it’s basically just the 40 best are 5 stars?

 

[Steve83]

Then what happens when they get 6 stars and then get better?

Yeah, but see this one goes to 6.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Yeah, but see this one goes to 6.

 

[Wolegib]

I always liked the idea behind Purdue GPA using 6 points for an A. So that even if you fail, you get a 2 and your parents and friends never realize you flunked out?

 

[Woodsa]

I think there should be 6 stars. Because you give players 5 stars and then if they get better and you’ve already given them 5 stars there’s no where else to go. 6 stars would give you that little push; that little extra at the end.

Why not just make 6 the 5 star from the beginning?

I get the Spinaltap reference. Nicely done.

 

[Bleedinggoldandblack]

Glad CMP has his own "gut" rating and a keen eye for players who want to be part of the whole.

 

[boilernuke]

Glad CMP has his own "gut" rating and a keen eye for players who want to be part of the whole.

Plus I'm sure the coaching staff keep detailed evaluations off all the recruits and track progress as well, including evaluations of on-court behaviors.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

I think some people think recruiting is as simple as offering the Top 20 guys on someone's random list, and hoping to sign 2 of them.

 

[Tommaker]

If you should download my app and find yourself in or around the South Dakota school of mines, this is the stamp you would collect there.

 

[Wolegib]

I think some people think recruiting is as simple as offering the Top 20 guys on someone's random list, and hoping to sign 2 of them.

It actually is. I bet , I who know nothing, could select 5 players and I would be very Successful. I’d start with the Boozer twins! They seem to have a nice name. Wasn’t their dad an nba player? Let’s see, who else should I add? I’ll add that guy going to BYU. Nike like him, so he must be pretty good. I’ll then add who ever is the latest Indiana Mr basketball to make the local fans happy. I have no idea who he is or how good he is, but I don’t care. He must be good.

Recruiting is not as hard as you make it out to be! Go to a few AAU tournaments! My son played in a lot of AAU tournaments. I met a lot of college coaches! I saw the same things coach painter saw! My son was not a division 1 caliber player. I could see it. He played against Jabari Parker and Cliff Alexander and many others. It wasn’t that hard to see they had talent. I know zip about basketball and I could tell they and others had talent. My son received some division 2,3 and naia offers.

So I ask again, how hard is it to recruit and identify talent? And nobody just randomly selects 10 players and hopes they get lucky with 2. That’s an insult to anybody who calls themselves a coach!

I’m not a coach or ever played the gave other than some church league games! But I can see talent!

The hard part of recruiting is not identifying talent. The hard part is convincing that talent to play for your college!

 

[BoilerAndy]

It actually is. I bet , I who know nothing, could select 5 players and I would be very Successful. I’d start with the Boozer twins! They seem to have a nice name. Wasn’t their dad an nba player? Let’s see, who else should I add? I’ll add that guy going to BYU. Nike like him, so he must be pretty good. I’ll then add who ever is the latest Indiana Mr basketball to make the local fans happy. I have no idea who he is or how good he is, but I don’t care. He must be good.

Recruiting is not as hard as you make it out to be! Go to a few AAU tournaments! My son played in a lot of AAU tournaments. I met a lot of college coaches! I saw the same things coach painter saw! My son was not a division 1 caliber player. I could see it. He played against Jabari Parker and Cliff Alexander and many others. It wasn’t that hard to see they had talent. I know zip about basketball and I could tell they and others had talent. My son received some division 2,3 and naia offers.

So I ask again, how hard is it to recruit and identify talent? And nobody just randomly selects 10 players and hopes they get lucky with 2. That’s an insult to anybody who calls themselves a coach!

I’m not a coach or ever played the gave other than some church league games! But I can see talent!

The hard part of recruiting is not identifying talent. The hard part is convincing that talent to play for your college!

That was a torturous path.

 

[POTFHBTFU]

It actually is. I bet , I who know nothing, could select 5 players and I would be very Successful. I’d start with the Boozer twins! They seem to have a nice name. Wasn’t their dad an nba player? Let’s see, who else should I add? I’ll add that guy going to BYU. Nike like him, so he must be pretty good. I’ll then add who ever is the latest Indiana Mr basketball to make the local fans happy. I have no idea who he is or how good he is, but I don’t care. He must be good.

Recruiting is not as hard as you make it out to be! Go to a few AAU tournaments! My son played in a lot of AAU tournaments. I met a lot of college coaches! I saw the same things coach painter saw! My son was not a division 1 caliber player. I could see it. He played against Jabari Parker and Cliff Alexander and many others. It wasn’t that hard to see they had talent. I know zip about basketball and I could tell they and others had talent. My son received some division 2,3 and naia offers.

So I ask again, how hard is it to recruit and identify talent? And nobody just randomly selects 10 players and hopes they get lucky with 2. That’s an insult to anybody who calls themselves a coach!

I’m not a coach or ever played the gave other than some church league games! But I can see talent!

The hard part of recruiting is not identifying talent. The hard part is convincing that talent to play for your college!

Dead wrong the hard part is identifying the talent and that is where paint does really well. Braden, Edey, ertel, Trevion. The difference between the 51st best high school player in the country and the 250th is huge in paper and videos but it’s virtually impossible to see it without watching in person. Paint doesn’t travel around the country spending all his time watching basketball games for love of the game, he’s working because tracking ratings doesn’t cut it.