Huge game from Caleb. And great first half from Carsen to trail only Biggie in scoring. I think his turnovers were more because he plays fast and European rules say you have to be set before you can start your dribble.
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Plus, Fernando and Manu's pts/minute are asymptotic.
It kind of explains why we pulled away from them at the end. I am sure their starters were gassed.
Good stuff from CMP and Cliz/Rob in those two sound cloud clips. Definitely worth a listen. Three or four minutes each.
I am not taking anything away from our Boilers, but I think I know why this opponent gave up a big lead two nights in a row. 40, 40, 40, 35, 35!
I watched the second half and Vince didn't play that much. I am sure that Painter had his reasons.
Mathias didn't shoot well, but I thought that he played really well. Swanigan looked great as the Spanish team really had nobody who could guard him or Haas.
It sounds like Carsen had a great stretch in the first half, but I didn't see too much from him in the second.
Wasn't VE in foul trouble? If not, maybe Painter just wanted to give some of the other guys (i.e. Taylor) more PT for the sake of experience.
They could still use another guard that can create his own shot and get to the rim (besides C. Edwards) when all other options appear shut down, as well as another quality 4 or 4/5 (preferably a good defensive player: being able to score and rebound doesn't hurt, either).
If they had two more players like that to strengthen the depth, then I would consider them an absolute complete team (on paper).
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I believe the first team we beat defeated Arkansas. That at least is a high major program.
The competition in the second game definitely wasn't great, but I still really liked what I saw from Purdue.
This is going to be a really good offensive Purdue team, I believe, because there is nobody that can be left alone. They were moving the ball and probing for open shots very well. With Isaac and Biggie creating match-up problems inside, I think that they will really be able to put defenses in a bind.
I'm a little concerned about the defense against tougher competition. They have some weaknesses that can be exploited and no AJ to cover up everyone else's mistakes.
Far from a complete team. Very little quality backup at the 4/5. Taylor now in his third yr is still very limited. A big question mark about getting 10-15 mins a game if needed. Smotherman in his fourth yr is limited offensively. And could use a quality backup 3 that is 6-7 to 6-8.
Wonder why Taylor and Smotherman to a lessor extent are not getting high minutes in Spain. Hard to develope quality backup if they don't get minutes now.
Reading your post is convincing me that this is a pretty complete team. Trimming the rotation to 9 will probably be tough, if that is what Painter decides to do. At the 3, Painter can go with Edwards, Cline, or Smotherman. At the 5 he can go with Haas, Swanigan, or Taylor. It will help if Carsen Edwards proves that he is ready, but I think that this is possibly Painter's most complete team.
Don't bother. The team could win the national title and M would be here telling us that their hands are bad and they'll drop the trophy.
I agree that this team is much better balanced than we have seen for a long while. Not sure it is more so than the peak of the baby boilers, unless , as you noted, Carsen just kills. Then they could be.
The problem with the Baby Boilers, at least after Calasan left, if that they had no depth on the front line after Johnson and Hummel. When Hummel went down in 2010, Purdue had nobody to go to at the 4. I would concede that 08-09 was probably more complete, however.
Yes. I would also say a bit more talented. That may change though. We will see soon.
Yep, there were no quality backups at the 4 and 5 in '09-'10. That certainly wasn't the main thing that held them back from going further in the NCAA's (no Hummel, of course), but it didn't help them, either. I feel like the staff has dropped the ball by not adding (at the least) a grad transfer big (or tall frontcourt player: skillset can vary) up to this point, nevertheless another (preferably over 6') guard that can score by creating their own shot. CMP seems almost defiantly proud of having only 10 scholarship players this season. He's proud of his staff's own shortcomings. It doesn't sound like he wants to even consider adding a player or two, which is foolish since depth is important.
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Nag, Nag, Nag. Have you considered that the talented players you want Painter to bring in for their last year of college ball might not want to play for a team as a backup? Foolish is adding a player that can't help you in a significant way and having him be unhappy on your bench. Having more than ten players only helps you next year, if your depth is young. No one (except Kentucky for one year) plays more than eight or nine deep. It seems that your favorite player is anyone we don't have. Don't know what you mean by being proud of shortcomings but if that is the case, at least HE can recognize them. Know what I mean?
Purdue seems to have so much depth...who will be the odd men out?
Taylor? Smotherman? Will be interesting to see the minutes of Carsen, Spike and PJ.
Taylor? Smotherman? Will be interesting to see the minutes of Carsen, Spike and PJ.
You seem genuinely slighted by Matt's rejection of your grad transfer recommendations.........when you spent so much time and effort researching them. Tragic. Why don't you retire from scouting, please?
There's not a ton of depth at the 4 or 5 after Haas and Swanigan. There's Taylor, who's still unproven and that's it. VE and Smotherman aren't natural 4's.
Have you considered that if they would have pursued the more talented JUCO and immediately-eligible transfers, that they probably would have ended up playing starter's minutes as opposed to being backups (particularly at one of the guard positions)? Carsen Edwards is a freshman, and from the early look of things (barring injuries), he's going to be playing starter's minutes by the end of this season. You don't think they could have found 1 or 2 more newcomers like that?
This where you are missing the advancement of the game. Playing Vince or Smotherman at the 4 is perfect for increasing team athleticism. It also solves our most frequent defensive matchup problem from a year ago.
How do you know they didn't pursue the top guys? And even if you get one it is risky. I think you grossly over value players whom you know nothing about (no, reading stats does not give you a full grasp of how they play) over players ON OUR TEAM who we get to watch develop year to year. It's like NFL teams that try to build with free agency...it just doesn't work. By all means keep looking if it entertains you, but you find that a John Octeus will be a rare find.
I believe you are jumping the gun on Edwards. He is doing well, but at a time where they are barely fluid as a team. We must wait till during the semesters to determine this, because that is when the real coaching enters in and he will have a more defined role. We are playing teams that don't necessarily have enough structure to beat a good DIVIII team. The first one is a pro team and was the toughest so far, but they had Purdue beat till they ran out of gas. They had better chemistry at that time. Remember that we have had some very high level recruits in the past that fit this situation and turned out to be bad apples when forced to play the total team concept. It is way too soon to claim the National Championship.
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Regarding frontcourt depth, CMP has a history of playing a 3 guard line-up. (He has even said in the past that he would like to have 2 PG's on the floor together.) However, if 2 out of the 3 of Haas, Swanigan and Edwards can stay on the floor we might see alot of Ryan or Dakota or Carsen together with whoever is running the point. I'd prefer to have our big 3 out there all the time but that's probably just not realistic. We really need JT and BS to make huge strides frontcourt-wise, in the preseason.
The Broncs had a very good team then added a couple of missing pieces. They had the advantage of simply paying them lots of money as the incentive. We don't have that incentive at Purdue. Large quantity free agency additions have generally failed (for instance the redskins and more recently the Eagles). The key is good drafting and development. Parallels good recruiting and development in college hoops.
Agree. The Bronc's won that game with their defense, home grown, drafted defense for the most part.
Busting your chops.
But still impressed/surprised with elway as front office guy,
Having 10 starters from free agency (and most of them replaced free agents from the run two years prior. Only 19 guys have remained from then).
