So who is leaving?
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Good thing he earned his keep this year by being the best shooter in the B1G.
And exactly what did that do for us? We need scorers not shooters. Dakota became a scorer and evolved his game. Once again, he doesn't rebound very good, he isn't a strong guard who can dribble/drive and he struggles with defense.
Being a good shooter doesn't necessarily help this team become better. Exactly, why we have 3 guys sitting out on the corners looking for Smith and TKR to create an opening. I want players who can create off the dribble/drive. Do you not notice these long scoring droughts?
Well, emotions work both ways. You are emotionally attached to players.
I'm glad coaches don't view it the same way you do or they would constantly be looking for new jobs.
Btw, there are more level headed fans on the board that feel the same
I get that Fletch has physical limitations, but I'm not sold on letting him go. He led the league in 3-point shooting against B1G teams. That's not nothing.
Say he does enter the portal and gets a better NIL offer. True, letting him go would free up NIL money for Purdue to work the portal. But, you're also losing a 3-year starter and 1000 point scorer from a team that doesn't have many proven scorers. And there's no guarantee the new guy is going to be better. Or, Purdue's NIL has to pony up more money to keep him, money that could have helped attract more help.
Harris played well in last night's defeat. I can see him and Cox becoming very good players for PU.
I get the concerns and it could backfire. I just feel he's pretty close to the same player we recruited and hasn't changed much in his game to get better. Plus, I see Harris could fill his void if he left.
Shooting is always a plus, but right now we need scorers and that's limiting our success. We just don't have enough of them to go out and get us points.
I get your points.
I'll ask it again.... how many more games were losses this year if Loyer wasn't on the court? Give us a guess. 5? 8?
Couldn't tell you the answer. How many games could we have won if we had a player that could dribble/drive, rebound at a higher clip, play better defense. There were many games where we were killed by the 1-3 position. His +/- would be the telling point.
We lacked rebounding from the guard position, true? We lacked a true dribble/drive 3 guard, true? We lacked a lock down defensive stopper at the 3 guard, true?
What if we had a player like Claude and/or Tonje. What would this team look like with Smith and TKR or personally let Harris take that spot over.
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I actually thought he showed some speed we didn't know he had last night. Excellent FT shooter that is a great value with his ball handling late in a game...and he has shot the 3 ball well.
Were you watching him at all tonight? A low ceiling? What?
Obviously I don't think he should be let go.
But I do think the he's starting no matter what role hasn't necessarily helped him have a sense of urgency to improve his liabilities.
Yes, he's a great shooter. He still needs to play way better defense. He still needs to not disappear on offense for long stretches in games. He needs to stop those drives to the basket that end up with him flailing to draw a foul. He needs to stop with the flopping.
But given he's one of only two consistent outside shooters on the team, you need him to
be successful next season. But he needs to do more than shoot.
How many games do we win if he dedicated himself to better defense? To more consistent play on offense? 3? 5?
It would definitely help to get a consistent multi-dimensional guy who can defend out there with him. Myles Colvin looks like the closest to that right now. CJ Cox and Gicarri Harris both looked like freshmen this year. CJ has really struggled down the stretch, but hopefully he'll benefit from getting starting experience this early in his career.
I suspect Painter will look for an athletic 2 or 3 who can score. Purdue's had mixed luck with transfers, but Lance Jones worked out pretty well last year.
You mean like our coach who is widely considered one of the 10 best in the game?
I would say top 5. He has made comments about evolving and how coaching is very fluid. Some players are going to leave and some will stay.
I see Burgess likely leaving along with Berg, think 1 of Heide, Colvin, Cox, Harris go as well, nature of the beast these days. Ideally, I hope all 4 of the last players stay, just think Matt is going to bring in a couple portal players and someone might see a lack of playing time their reason. I do think TKR, Fletcher, Smith all return and flourish next year, would like for Loyer to be the 4th option though, in this scenario he’d get a ton of open looks, many times he seems to stand around too much and doesn’t shoot enough.
I totally agree. I'd have to go back and watch several games again, but personally, I don't think Loyer was the reason why we won any games this year. Last year, he had a few games that he really went off, but typically if you watch, he gives up more points than he scores. I believe it was the UCLA game, others had been dogging Colvin for getting mins and he's terrible and all of that talk, so, I kept track of just Colvin vs Loyer and I had Colvin at 5 points and allowed 0 that game and Loyer with 11 pts and allowed 15. Yes, that was one game, but obviously I've watched every game this season and I don't feel like that was too far from the norm. I think it gets masked by the fact that he shoots close to 50% from 3 and also he doesn't force shots, so those are typically wide open looks, but his shooting percentage and the fact that he gets consistent mins (averaging over 30 mins a game) leads to naturally him scoring
some points in games, but what he gives up on the other end is always glossed over.
Well starting hasn't exactly led to improvement in defense. Or made him much different than he's been. So yeah when you feel safe and secure in a position it can tend to retard your growth sometimes.
I think Fletch would be a good 6th man coming in for instant O
Other than Smith & TKR, and the freshmen who need to stay.....Not going to get worked up if others leave.
Seems like departures happen historically in disappointing seasons.
I also wonder about team chemistry, that players only meeting was a little concerning to me
Burgess would have been really helped by a RS but another facet to DJ's injury was that it made it necessary to burn the shirt
I would be shocked if Burgess left. A strong reason he came to Purdue were the players, players he could see being friends with the rest of his life. Now, maybe that has changed but I don’t see any dissatisfaction.
Maybe Heide or Colvin? This offence is not suited to them. You have 3 players who shoot 80 % of the shots while the 2 other players on the floor move to the side lines to watch. It was very different with a 7ft 4 Eady in the middle then a 6ft 9 TKR, and you have Smith who drives the middle and again 2 players go out to the side lines in hopes they get the ball passed to them. I the last 5 games Colvin has shot 27 times and Heide 8 times. In high school Heide was the one who had the ball most of the time and comes to Purdue where he has to play his part in this offence of Painters. I know Heide chose Purdue but sometimes you just have to make a change, and he will be a junior so he will have 2 years left. I hope he stays but I could understand if he wanted to leave.
I believe you have to reread Painter’s comments with respect to the context of the question that was posed to him. The question was players leaving via the portal and gaining players via the portal. That should take Furst out of the discussion. Furst isn’t leaving via the portal.
Painter further said he will have his annual evaluations/talks with each player after the season. This says two things. First, he will have those talks after the season and they haven’t happened yet. It’s possible that Beth and Wadell could be encouraged to leave. But they haven’t been encouraged to leave yet.
But the biggest kicker is the report by a quasi respected source that one player went to Painter and informed him that he was planning on leaving via the portal. A player can always enter the portal and later pull their name. You saw. In the football season where many players entered the portal but their actions were not made public until after the season was completed. The football coach kept their decision private.
To me this is the most likely and believable scenario. Painter has indicated he hasn’t sat down with any player. And won’t be doing so until after the season. If a player did come to painter, it would be painter’s nature to keep their decision private issue private and not discuss it with the media. And I believe painter may have also kept it private from other players. Although it’s possible that it may have been revealed at the players only meeting.
I’ve already named my gut choices: one of Harris, Myles, cox or benter.
I will add one thought. I believe the news will come first from the player , much like Catchings, eastern and Haarms before Painter announces it or discusses it publicly.
Painter further said he will have his annual evaluations/talks with each player after the season. This says two things. First, he will have those talks after the season and they haven’t happened yet. It’s possible that Beth and Wadell could be encouraged to leave. But they haven’t been encouraged to leave yet.
But the biggest kicker is the report by a quasi respected source that one player went to Painter and informed him that he was planning on leaving via the portal. A player can always enter the portal and later pull their name. You saw. In the football season where many players entered the portal but their actions were not made public until after the season was completed. The football coach kept their decision private.
To me this is the most likely and believable scenario. Painter has indicated he hasn’t sat down with any player. And won’t be doing so until after the season. If a player did come to painter, it would be painter’s nature to keep their decision private issue private and not discuss it with the media. And I believe painter may have also kept it private from other players. Although it’s possible that it may have been revealed at the players only meeting.
I’ve already named my gut choices: one of Harris, Myles, cox or benter.
I will add one thought. I believe the news will come first from the player , much like Catchings, eastern and Haarms before Painter announces it or discusses it publicly.
