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Slow Time of Day Question, If the B1G Wanted to Expand

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and add two teams, who besides ND, they aren't moving and the B1G's not asking and the University of Toronto that always comes up, would you add of the available non 5 BCS conferences? I have a couple in mind but I'll wait for a response or two, if any come, before I post them!
 
ghostoffatjack said:
and add two teams, who besides ND, they aren't moving and the B1G's not asking and the University of Toronto that always comes up, would you add of the available non 5 BCS conferences? I have a couple in mind but I'll wait for a response or two, if any come, before I post them!
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None. The B1G would never take a non BCS/FBS school.

When the next round comes, I suspect the next schools would be one of the following UVA, UNC, GaT with OU or KS added on. OU would need to improve its academic profile first. And KU doesn't add much so would need a larger market to come in with.
 
ghostoffatjack said:
BYU is not in the five!
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B1G would never take BYU. No research, the religion obstacle with the CIC, and Sunday game restrictions.

I should qualify my first post by saying I don't think B12 and ACC both survive in the long run. I think B12 is more likely to crash and burn but the ACC is struggling with TV revenue projections. I predict one will try and raid the other to survive.
 
BoilerBulldog said:
B1G would never take BYU. No research, the religion obstacle with the CIC, and Sunday game restrictions.

I should qualify my first post by saying I don't think B12 and ACC both survive in the long run. I think B12 is more likely to crash and burn but the ACC is struggling with TV revenue projections. I predict one will try and raid the other to survive.
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If there would be expansion, the two I'd like to see are Pitt and Syracuse.
 
Its about TV markets. They already have NYC with Rutgers, so you dont need Syracuse. They already have Pennsylvania with Penn State and no one cares about Pittsburgh.

UNC would give them Charlotte. UVA would give them the state of Virginia and DC.
 
nat100 said:
Its about TV markets. They already have NYC with Rutgers, so you dont need Syracuse. They already have Pennsylvania with Penn State and no one cares about Pittsburgh.

UNC would give them Charlotte. UVA would give them the state of Virginia and DC.
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Pitt would get the ole psu rivalry back , the NY papers cover Syracuse more than Rutgers (to me Syr. represents the NY market more than Rutgers), both are really good schools. I think people care more about Pitt than UVA. Still don't get the Neb. addition.
 
Papers are irrelevant. Its about getting cable carriers to put BTN on their mandatory lineup.
 
nat100 said:
Papers are irrelevant. Its about getting cable carriers to put BTN on their mandatory lineup.
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still should have gotten the Cuse before Rutgers. I live 15 miles from the Jersey line and most of the HS kids that are well ranked go elsewhere. Nobody cares about Rutgers BBall.
 
I'll say Missouri and Kentucky. Missouri would add a great deal to both bball and football and adding UK would make the B1G the single best conference every single year in bbal.
 
In the past, their were rumors that Georgia Tech and one of the Florida schools would be likely candidates. The would expand the BTN and B1G in new markets, something that matches the B1G business model.
 
1. UNC (most difficult to get I bet) or Virginia
2. Georgia tech
Expands tv markets and gains a lot of ground in the south for football recruiting

Florida schools?
Florida state maybe? Don't see either Florida leaving or Miami fitting
Texas? I can't imagine them joining, as long as they could still control big twelve (or even pac twelve if big12 ever did disolve )
 
It's about tv markets. I would expect that eventually the Big 12 has issues. I would think Texas one way or the other. That brings in Houston and Dallas TV markets. Realize the comment will be about the ut network. But I would think it could get done.

I think a unc or ga. Tech in addition to Texas would then add in Charlotte/ Houston /Dallas / southeast and you have added a significant number of TVs for the network.
 
PaBoiler78 said:
still should have gotten the Cuse before Rutgers. I live 15 miles from the Jersey line and most of the HS kids that are well ranked go elsewhere. Nobody cares about Rutgers BBall.
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It's not about BB. Rutgers FB is the highest ranked Team in the NYC metro area. We are now on every NYC cable system at in network rates. Rutgers is more valuable to the B1G than we are.
 
Hard to believe either the ACC or Big 12 will go away...too easy for the B12 to add two to get to that magic number again! I know the B1G has other reasons outside of athletics they consider but if just adding teams to increase the Big Ten Network footprint you would think we would have to look South and/or West to do that! Memphis, Houston, BYU and one of the other Florida schools outside the Big Three would do that!
 
ghostoffatjack said:
Hard to believe either the ACC or Big 12 will go away...too easy for the B12 to add two to get to that magic number again! I know the B1G has other reasons outside of athletics they consider but if just adding teams to increase the Big Ten Network footprint you would think we would have to look South and/or West to do that! Memphis, Houston, BYU and one of the other Florida schools outside the Big Three would do that!
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The BIG stopped caring about the "other reasons"' with the addition of Nebraska.
 
JohnnyDoeBoiler said:
I'll say Missouri and Kentucky. Missouri would add a great deal to both bball and football and adding UK would make the B1G the single best conference every single year in bbal.
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Mizzou basically publicly pleaded to join the Big Ten a few years back. Now that they're in the SEC, they won't go anywhere. The Big Ten is the richest conference, but the SEC is basically the same.

I couldn't care less about expansion of the Big Ten. I was happy with 11.
 
The B10 will not take a non-P5 school. No way. I can see BYU/Cincy being an intriguing option for the B12. I can see the long term viability of the ACC, but not the B12. The actual schools in the B12 are not at all similar and the league is too Texas-centric.

Especially paired with the common knowledge that Oklahoma and Kansas were in the group that wanted out of the B12 a few years ago, I see them as the most likely candidates for the B10. If I had any choice though, I'd probably very slightly want them over the UNC/UVA combo (assuming Texas/ND are not options). OU and UK don't offer huge markets, but they are national brands and I remember reading an article that TV can charge pretty much whatever rates they want in those two markets. We already have the DC market anyway.

When the B10 was first looking at expansion, I was a huge Pitt advocate. Now I have a much better idea of what really matters to the university presidents, and how the TV deals work. Pitt would not add anything to the B10. Literally. Between OSU and PSU, Pittsburgh is already charged first tier rates.

Read through the following blog. It's really good and where I got the foundations for my a lot of my above thoughts.

http://frankthetank.me/
 
lbodel said:
I couldn't care less about expansion of the Big Ten. I was happy with 11.
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I've always been intrigued by conference expansion, as it's like a real life game of Risk.

All else being equal, I would rather the B10 have stuck with just 11 teams. But it's not equal - Neb, Rut, and MD bring a ton of money to the conference. This money theoretically should make Purdue better. Since that's all I care about, I'm happy.

The question is basically "How badly do you want to play OSU, PSU, and MSU every year? $5M per year? $15M a year?" That's the tradeoff, and that's the type of additional dough those extra 3 schools bring. For me, it's worth it. We couldn't play everyone else every year anyway even at 11 teams.
 
njm8845 said:
The B10 will not take a non-P5 school. No way. I can see BYU/Cincy being an intriguing option for the B12. I can see the long term viability of the ACC, but not the B12. The actual schools in the B12 are not at all similar and the league is too Texas-centric.

Especially paired with the common knowledge that Oklahoma and Kansas were in the group that wanted out of the B12 a few years ago, I see them as the most likely candidates for the B10. If I had any choice though, I'd probably very slightly want them over the UNC/UVA combo (assuming Texas/ND are not options). OU and UK don't offer huge markets, but they are national brands and I remember reading an article that TV can charge pretty much whatever rates they want in those two markets. We already have the DC market anyway.

When the B10 was first looking at expansion, I was a huge Pitt advocate. Now I have a much better idea of what really matters to the university presidents, and how the TV deals work. Pitt would not add anything to the B10. Literally. Between OSU and PSU, Pittsburgh is already charged first tier rates.

Read through the following blog. It's really good and where I got the foundations for my a lot of my above thoughts.

http://frankthetank.me/
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That blog is interesting. He implies that Texas and ND are joined at the hip for the ACC. I have never understood the lure of Notre Dame.

His argument is Oklahoma and Kansas. I guess that adds a more solid grasp on the center of the country, but I still would have my eyes on the Houston and Dallas market.

I think something that will play into this....

I think packaged cable will go away eventually. I also think we will start to get most of our content via the internet as speeds increase. Also the barrier to entry to publish content is less and less. Therefore, it's not out of the question that the Boilermaker network" is available through the university for $2.99/month and is broadcasting globally. I could see that approach taking shape over the next 5-10 years. As a result, the value of the big 10 networks (and all networks) will begin to diminish.

As an aside - my prediction on the "turning point" for this transition will be when the NFL Sunday ticket is moved from direct tv to something like apple or google. And in reality - it may already be happening with the merger of direct tv and AT&T.

Cripes. Heavy thoughts for Saturday morning
 
The lure of ND is that you then have a "fanbase" spread out over the entire nation. Even if they aren't all fans (as in my case) they tune in to watch, hoping ND loses.

I agree that the Texas market is huge. But UT isn't coming to the B10. And I certainly don't want TCU and Houston in the B10 when we can get Kansas and Oklahoma.

A concern for a lot of people over the last expansion is that population trends will hurt the B10 in the long run. That's one theory of why they expanded east. Oklahoma and Kansas certainly doesn't fit that model, but they still seem to offer more value to me than UVA or GT. I lump UNC with Texas and ND as schools that would be great to get, but are simply unrealistic. I just can't see them leaving the ACC.
 
njm8845 said:
The B10 will not take a non-P5 school. No way. I can see BYU/Cincy being an intriguing option for the B12. I can see the long term viability of the ACC, but not the B12. The actual schools in the B12 are not at all similar and the league is too Texas-centric.

Especially paired with the common knowledge that Oklahoma and Kansas were in the group that wanted out of the B12 a few years ago, I see them as the most likely candidates for the B10. If I had any choice though, I'd probably very slightly want them over the UNC/UVA combo (assuming Texas/ND are not options). OU and UK don't offer huge markets, but they are national brands and I remember reading an article that TV can charge pretty much whatever rates they want in those two markets. We already have the DC market anyway.

When the B10 was first looking at expansion, I was a huge Pitt advocate. Now I have a much better idea of what really matters to the university presidents, and how the TV deals work. Pitt would not add anything to the B10. Literally. Between OSU and PSU, Pittsburgh is already charged first tier rates.

Read through the following blog. It's really good and where I got the foundations for my a lot of my above thoughts.

http://frankthetank.me/
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Agreed on Frank the Tank. Great blog and really knowledgable and respectful commenters.
 
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