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My one word prediction for the Boilers this year - overrated.

I'm afraid our Boilers will miss AJ far more than people realize. Without AJ will have have a giant hole in the middle on both ends of the court. We will be unable to stop people at the rim on defense and we will become a perimeter oriented team on offense. End result is we have a decent season but will not contend for a conference title and will be a bubble team for the NCAA tournament.

I hope I'm wrong.
 
With an upgraded Swanigan, and Haas playing more minutes, I think the post offense will be fine. I do understand your caution. ALR hurt last year, and makes us all humble, just a bit.

I actually think we need to be more guard oriented in our offense to be a better team. We were too post oriented last year, and that telegraphed our intentions to a great degree. This year, not so much. I guess I am willing to trade the 2-3 blocks at the rim last year for 2-3 more baskets by our guards. More dribble drive and more accurate outside shooting. CE becomes a terror in the BIG toward the end of the season.

So, my prediction: I think we finish a game behind Wisconsin in the BIG, but win the BTT. We go in with a #4 seed to the NCAA's and make the sweet sixteen. We run into the National Champion team at the Great Eight. Not the bridesmaid, not the bride. Just the Maid of honor.

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I think your prediction is the worst case scenario in which nobody else ups their game from last year. We're going to miss his shot blocking presence. No way around that. But Haas and Swanigan are capable of picking up slack in post scoring and rebounding. Vince will have an opportunity to look for his offense even more than last year and can also help on the boards. The guards should be better as a group this year with added experience for the returning players and throwing Carsen into the mix. And there's also Smotherman coming off of redshirt who could be a x factor type of player for this team.

Certainly the team will be different. I'm hoping that we have improved in other areas to offset the losses of Hammons and Davis and see at least results similar to last season.
 
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My prediction is there will be more ups and downs this season. Last season, our games were utterly predictable - the UALR game was the only game in like the last 2 months of the season in which the favored team did not win. Always having a fresh, talented 7 footer on the floor, regardless of foul trouble or fatigue, steadied the ship.

Now there will be games where Isaac is in foul trouble early and we spend the rest of the game shifting the lineups around to compensate. Even without foul trouble, he's only good for 20-25 minutes a game. This is a different team with Biggie at the 5. So, there will be a need to play 2 styles within each game and more emphasis on the perimeter game on both ends. There will be more games where we shoot 25-30 3 pointers. Make 50% and its probably a win. Make 15% and its probably a loss.

End result, probably a few more losses but possibly a more dangerous team (if healthy) come tourney time.
 
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I think Purdue wins the B1G. I think they lose once in the non con, @Louisville.

I think theyll be a 2 or 3 seed, but most likely 2.

I also think the defense is going to be much better than we think with Basil and Vince playing on the wings.
 
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I think we're about the same as last year. Top 3 in the B10, S16 caliber.

If I had to guess, I'd guess we'll end up with fewer wins than last year, due to the non-conference schedule.
 
Would like to see more data on guard's play. But for now my WAG is 7-9 losses....and second in the B1G.

And I think Painter gets out of the first weekend of the ncaa for once....
 
My one word prediction for the Boilers this year - overrated.

I'm afraid our Boilers will miss AJ far more than people realize. Without AJ will have have a giant hole in the middle on both ends of the court. We will be unable to stop people at the rim on defense and we will become a perimeter oriented team on offense. End result is we have a decent season but will not contend for a conference title and will be a bubble team for the NCAA tournament.

I hope I'm wrong.

Hunk,

Here's hoping you are wrong, too.

With all due respect, I thought your policy was to wait until after the 2nd exhibition game to make a "prediction." I'd be interested if you see anything that makes you change your mind in any way. I agree with you in that the loss of AJH is big and could possibly lead to what some might call a disappointing season. Ray Davis is a big loss too. However, the additions to the team could make the Boilers a much more consistently potent offensive team, and BS should help with the defense from spot duty.

I expect CS and VE to be even better and challenge for one of the all-conference teams, and I expect CE to have a solid season as a freshman. although there should definitely be some growing pains. This might be overly optimistic on my part.

I'll really be interested in seeing how IH and DM fare.....might be the two players ending up as the barometers for Purdue's post-season ceiling.

In addition, if the team defense can come around, Purdue is capable of exceeding expectations. This season could really go either way.....I have no idea how it will play out....but I'm excited from what I've seen and heard so far and really like the team chemistry. I could see the Boilers having a couple more losses in regular season but having a better NCAA tournament performance and maybe make the 2nd week.

Nova and Louisville are good tests.....we can get a read on the team probably better than the ones from non-conf last year.

Can the Boilers first start by winning a &^%$# game in the Crossroads Classic? That would be a nice holiday gift.

Either way, get ready to Boiler up.......

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24-7 (13-5 B10)
5-6 seed in NCAA
Wins: McNeese, GA St, USU, Auburn, NJIT, Morehead, AZ St, Cleveland St, ND, WIU, Norfolk St, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisky, Illinois, PSU, Nebraska, NW, Maryland, Rutgers, Mich St, PSU, IU, NW

Losses: Villanova, @ Louisville, @ Ohio St, @ Mich St, @ Michigan, @ Iowa, @ IU
 
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24-7 (13-5 B10)
5-6 seed in NCAA
Wins: McNeese, GA St, USU, Auburn, NJIT, Morehead, AZ St, Cleveland St, ND, WIU, Norfolk St, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisky, Illinois, PSU, Nebraska, NW, Maryland, Rutgers, Mich St, PSU, IU, NW

Losses: Villanova, @ Louisville, @ Ohio St, @ Mich St, @ Michigan, @ Iowa, @ IU

I think this is pretty close. I see us as a bit lower, having 7-10 total losses and finishing in the 3-6 range in the B1G. I think IU, MSU and Wisky are likely ahead of us with OSU and MD having a chance to be right there with us.

A 7-8 seed feels likely with one win in the NCAA tournament for the first time in 5 years but out in the 2nd (3rd) round of 32. We will miss AJH as a defensive presence and our guard play is just not there, particularly at creating on O and stopping dribble penetration.
 
We go as our 3s go. Bc our defense will be nothing like in the past with Ray and AJ. Swannigan being smart on offense will be huge. Vincent and Dakota being aggressive is key. Haas will have to come out this season and be tough down low. Stop missing bunnies. Flush the ball when you catch it a foot from the basket.
 
I see us as a top 20 team that will be in the top third of the conference and that will make the dance. I need to observe a few games before projecting beyond that. I am damn hopeful; I'll tell you that!
 
Very nonathletic team; Haas will be in foul trouble almost every game; Haas will become a player that most will point to as a major disappointment this season; rebounding will be a major issue; lack of inside scoring threat will make it very difficult for our offense to flow and our perimeter players will struggle to score as a result; Biggie will show his frustration; we will have trouble staying in front of people on defense which will lead to points at the rim and foul trouble for Haas - he is not the shot blocking presence that AJ; no quality back-ups behind Haas and Biggie. We will hear people say many times this season, "Purdue really misses AJ Hammons."
Carsen Edwards will be forced to be the creator on this team to set himself and others up. Let's all hope he's up to the task. Could be the most disappointing season in recent memory if he is not.
 
Very nonathletic team; Haas will be in foul trouble almost every game; Haas will become a player that most will point to as a major disappointment this season; rebounding will be a major issue; lack of inside scoring threat will make it very difficult for our offense to flow and our perimeter players will struggle to score as a result; Biggie will show his frustration; we will have trouble staying in front of people on defense which will lead to points at the rim and foul trouble for Haas - he is not the shot blocking presence that AJ; no quality back-ups behind Haas and Biggie. We will hear people say many times this season, "Purdue really misses AJ Hammons."
Carsen Edwards will be forced to be the creator on this team to set himself and others up. Let's all hope he's up to the task. Could be the most disappointing season in recent memory if he is not.
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About 20-25 wins
a loss in the Crossroads
a win in acc challenge
win the ones we should except for a puzzling upset loss
lose all the ones we should
lose on friday of big ten tourney
lose in 1st weekend of ncaas
rinse
repeat
 
*A flu outbreak taking us to 6 scholly players against Rutgers.
*Foul trouble against Minnesota forcing a line up of pj, spike, carson, dakota, and mckeemon.
*IU SUCKS
*Haas leads team in fg % at 76, C Edwards is at the bottom at 29%
*Snow storm will limit attendance to 373 fans to game vs Norfolk St. Nobody is there to see a beautiful ally oop pass from Haas to Mathias for a slam.

too specific?
 
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Very nonathletic team; Haas will be in foul trouble almost every game; Haas will become a player that most will point to as a major disappointment this season; rebounding will be a major issue; lack of inside scoring threat will make it very difficult for our offense to flow and our perimeter players will struggle to score as a result; Biggie will show his frustration; we will have trouble staying in front of people on defense which will lead to points at the rim and foul trouble for Haas - he is not the shot blocking presence that AJ; no quality back-ups behind Haas and Biggie. We will hear people say many times this season, "Purdue really misses AJ Hammons."
Carsen Edwards will be forced to be the creator on this team to set himself and others up. Let's all hope he's up to the task. Could be the most disappointing season in recent memory if he is not.
Your post will be dismissed due to its negative tone, but I'll acknowledge one thing you are saying: We will miss AJ. Isaac taking another step forward this year is critical. And as much as I like the guy, he will never be able to do some of the things AJ could do.

I actually think we have some pretty good lineups when Isaac is on the bench. Lots of guys who can dribble/pass/shoot. The paint will be more open and our offense may run more fluidly. Not as handicapped on the road where opponents get away with clutching and grabbing in the post.

Curious to see how this all plays out. I think a lot of it will come down to match-ups and being able to make in game adjustments. Some games we'll probably be able to bludgeon the other team down low. Other games we'll probably need to give the Biggie, Vincent, and 3 guards lineup more run.
 
Very nonathletic team; Haas will be in foul trouble almost every game; Haas will become a player that most will point to as a major disappointment this season; rebounding will be a major issue; lack of inside scoring threat will make it very difficult for our offense to flow and our perimeter players will struggle to score as a result; Biggie will show his frustration; we will have trouble staying in front of people on defense which will lead to points at the rim and foul trouble for Haas - he is not the shot blocking presence that AJ; no quality back-ups behind Haas and Biggie. We will hear people say many times this season, "Purdue really misses AJ Hammons."
Carsen Edwards will be forced to be the creator on this team to set himself and others up. Let's all hope he's up to the task. Could be the most disappointing season in recent memory if he is not.
Lol. Jesus.
 
About 20-25 wins
a loss in the Crossroads
a win in acc challenge
win the ones we should except for a puzzling upset loss
lose all the ones we should
lose on friday of big ten tourney
lose in 1st weekend of ncaas
rinse
repeat
Why the defeatist attitude?
 
Very nonathletic team; Haas will be in foul trouble almost every game; Haas will become a player that most will point to as a major disappointment this season; rebounding will be a major issue; lack of inside scoring threat will make it very difficult for our offense to flow and our perimeter players will struggle to score as a result; Biggie will show his frustration; we will have trouble staying in front of people on defense which will lead to points at the rim and foul trouble for Haas - he is not the shot blocking presence that AJ; no quality back-ups behind Haas and Biggie. We will hear people say many times this season, "Purdue really misses AJ Hammons."
Carsen Edwards will be forced to be the creator on this team to set himself and others up. Let's all hope he's up to the task. Could be the most disappointing season in recent memory if he is not.
I think that Haas will get his 25 minutes per game and while he is in the game he will be a major inside scoring threat, better than Hammons last season. When he is out of the game, Swanigan will create major matchup problems at the 5. Offensively, this team will be better than last year's team at every position and as a unit.

Defense is a concern. I think that Painter will need to back off a bit with his off ball defenders.
 
I say 24-8, 12-6 conference, good for 3rd.

FF of BIG tournament.

Sweet 16 of NCAA tourney unless Biggie puts the team on his back and carries them to a FF.
 
My prediction is that the success/failure of this season will hinge solely on the attitude of our two dopers as they return and blend with the team. If repentant and hard working we'll go far. If not, it will be a long season with a very short bench
 
If we can avoid the injury bug, there are a couple of reasons to expect an improvement over last year's record. Spike is a major improvement at the one. We could lead the conference in assist/turnover ratio. Our perimeter players should average more than 40% on 3's. I loved Raefel's d but his absense will improve our endgame emmensely. Our rebounding might be slightly worse, but we shoud get more steals.
Noncon 12-1
Con 15-3
2 seed for ncaa
Final 4
 
If we can avoid the injury bug, there are a couple of reasons to expect an improvement over last year's record. Spike is a major improvement at the one. We could lead the conference in assist/turnover ratio. Our perimeter players should average more than 40% on 3's. I loved Raefel's d but his absense will improve our endgame emmensely. Our rebounding might be slightly worse, but we shoud get more steals.
Noncon 12-1
Con 15-3
2 seed for ncaa
Final 4

Wow, optimistic. Sure would love to see a final 4 someday, hope you're right.
 
I’ll go ahead and play… :) My 2 cents:

Overall: Assuming we stay healthy, good-to-very-good year. Top 3 in B1G, Sweet Sixteen or Elite Eight in tourney.

Non-conference = 12-2 losses - # of games might be off due to tourneys we are in. (losses = Villanova, Louisville, but these are winnable and we benefit greatly because they are on the schedule! Good scheduling CMP!), we win our 1st Crossroads classic against ND

Conference = 13-5 (@MSU, @IU, Wisc, + 2 unknown)

B1G Tourney = 1-1 (Semi Final)

26-7 prior to NCAA +/- 1 or 2 games

Range = 2-6 seed – If 2, 3 or 6 seed, Elite Eight. If 4/5, Sweet Sixteen with loss to #1 seed. I’m hopeful that after Little Rock last year, we don’t fall to the underdog, though – of course – it’s possible.

I think offensively, we are very, very solid. Defensively, we aren’t as good as last year, but we should be good. I think our team overall is better because we are more multi-dimensional. We were WAAAY too predicable last year in our game-to-game approach/strategy and when opposing teams would take our strength away (which wasn’t often), other role guys didn’t have the mindset to take advantage of what the opposition was giving us. IMO that is more of a reflection of CMP coaching style than the quality of talent of our players. This year, we are more dynamic in terms of what we are going to do and all players (but specifically role players) will spend the season sharpening their decision making and being more of a threat on the court.


Things I like:

· Biggie’s improved athleticism
o I'm just basing this on the few highlight videos I've seen thus far. Honestly, I doubted much of an improvement, not because of Biggie, but because I think this is one of the hardest things to do as a player. He’s not an uber athletic player and may never be, however, Biggie is a worker and doesn’t take or want any shortcuts. Probably more than any player we’ve had, this guy wills himself to being better through work ethic.

· Problems with the press shouldn’t be AS MUCH of an issue
o I think the additions of off-season improvements from last year's players, adding Spike, Carsen and Basil, should be enough to handle a press.

o It might cause an issue from time-to-time, but not like last year.

· Spike
o He has that old man game. Not going to zip around anyone, but he is solid, poise and a gamer. He takes advantage of his opportunities and has a go-for-it attitude that will benefit the team and the culture. He’s also a team player that is a glue to a good team. I don’t expect him to be a savior of any kind, but I like him a lot compared to other guards we have. Hope he stays healthy.

· Carsen
o While I heavily temper expectations for a freshman, he’ll be a solid contributor or more this season. There will be freshman mistakes and frustrations, but he’s above average for a freshman performer.


Things I don’t like:

· Honestly, there isn’t much I don’t like. :) We seem to have better chemistry. I think we will have a successful season, top 3 team or better in B1G and the team will be very fun to watch and support.


Wild cards:

· Athletic, but lesser skilled teams will be our biggest issue.

o However, if we can somewhat neutralize or slow down just a tad the NBA type caliber, athletic players (guards & bigs), our ceiling is higher. Interested in seeing if Vince/ Basil can fill in that R Davis type defensive stopper type role.

o I think we might win these type of games, but we must play a solid 40 minutes of taking care of the ball, making consistently good offensive decisions and collectively (everyone) having poise/moxy throughout.

· Can Issac Haas stay on the court for 25 minutes?
o If he has the stamina (and able to avoid foul trouble) to be a 25 minute guy, our team ceiling is raised.
 
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If we can avoid the injury bug, there are a couple of reasons to expect an improvement over last year's record. Spike is a major improvement at the one. We could lead the conference in assist/turnover ratio. Our perimeter players should average more than 40% on 3's. I loved Raefel's d but his absense will improve our endgame emmensely. Our rebounding might be slightly worse, but we shoud get more steals.
Noncon 12-1
Con 15-3
2 seed for ncaa
Final 4

Now that is a vision of the future I can get behind. Hope you're right.

If Isaac can handle 25 mpg (up from 14 last year), Biggie can handle 30 mpg (up from 25.7), and Vince can handle 32 mpg (up from 27.5), then there are around just 5 mpg of AJ's 24.6 mpg that need to be covered by other players. Should be doable, but injuries will be a challenge. On the guard side, we have enough talent new and old to cover Ray's 30 mpg and Johnny's 18 IMO. It's hard for me to say whether or not we'll be significantly better than last year as you suggest... depends on how successful players were working on their games in the off-season, how well the newcomers are vs. top teams, and how well the team gels (last year seemed pretty good in that regard, but who's keeping guys in line this year the way Ray did the past couple?).
 
not feeling the love for this team so far after a blowout loss at west virginia and a measly 22 point win over a lower division team. hope i am wrong but this team imho needs some work. i think we will miss aj, just not confident of haas's ability to protect the rim
 
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that is your immature response to my post? wow. try actually posting something worth reading.
 
not feeling the love for this team so far after a blowout loss at west virginia and a measly 22 point win over a lower division team. hope i am wrong but this team imho needs some work. i think we will miss aj, just not confident of haas's ability to protect the rim
 
Isaac will do fine as a rim protector. His pick and roll defense will be severely tested in my opinion. My biggest concern is turnovers, and that's for the entire front court. Interesting that 23 is blowout and 22 is measly, but I guess the line has to be drawn somewhere.
 
From my numbers you can see I do not post here often, but I do read most posts every day.

I want to see a few more games before I make any suggestions on what this year will be like. I think there is great potential in this years squad, but that is yet to be seen.

Basketball is a game of runs, and matchups. There will be some games where the Boilers inside players just over power the other team. Then there will be some games when that is not what is necessary to win. The 64 thousand dollar question is how do they do when that happens.
As I said we need to see some more games to make any real suggestions.
 
From my numbers you can see I do not post here often, but I do read most posts every day.

I want to see a few more games before I make any suggestions on what this year will be like. I think there is great potential in this years squad, but that is yet to be seen.

Basketball is a game of runs, and matchups. There will be some games where the Boilers inside players just over power the other team. Then there will be some games when that is not what is necessary to win. The 64 thousand dollar question is how do they do when that happens.
As I said we need to see some more games to make any real suggestions.
Shocking! A rational perspective. Thanks gd4.
 
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