Scott Martin

[HomelessHarvey97]

Discussing the Baby Boilers with some friends last night from the Valpo area.

I did not know that Scott was considered to be the better player between he and Robbie.

Can someone remind me why Scott Martin transfered?

 

[88btfu92]

Discussing the Baby Boilers with some friends last night from the Valpo area.

I did not know that Scott was considered to be the better player between he and Robbie.

Can someone remind me why Scott Martin transfered?

1) He wanted to play on the perimeter. Painter wanted him to play the 4.
2) He got jealous of Robbie as Robbie quickly became a star.
3) He had a girlfriend and was whipped.
4) He was never going to be the MAN.
5) He knew he took Matt Howard's spot and...just kidding....

 

[HomelessHarvey97]

1) He wanted to play on the perimeter. Painter wanted him to play the 4.
2) He got jealous of Robbie as Robbie quickly became a star.
3) He had a girlfriend and was whipped.
4) He was never going to be the MAN.
5) He knew he took Matt Howard's spot and...just kidding....

I don't get #5 but that is a lot of reasons. Seems odd that he came here in the first place.

 

[skfboiler]

I watched Scott Martin a half dozen times his senior year and he was "The Man". I thought he was more talented and more athletic than Robbie. At the time I was more excited Purdue got him than Robbie even though I liked Robbie's game as well. By the time they got to Purdue, Robbie bought into the system and Martin did not. Martin's minutes diminished. Like the old saying hindsight is 20/20, I wished he would have stayed because he would have slid into the starting role after Robbie went down against the Gophers. He would have done well.

 

[Jack_Ripper]

I don't get #5 but that is a lot of reasons. Seems odd that he came here in the first place.

Legend has it that class had one spot to fill with offers to Matt Howard and Martin and whoever claimed it, got it....well, we know how that turned out...

 

[HomelessHarvey97]

Legend has it that class had one spot to fill with offers to Matt Howard and Martin and whoever claimed it, got it....well, we know how that turned out...

That's what I figured.

 

[TC4THREE]

1) He wanted to play on the perimeter. Painter wanted him to play the 4.
2) He got jealous of Robbie as Robbie quickly became a star.
3) He had a girlfriend and was whipped.
4) He was never going to be the MAN.
5) He knew he took Matt Howard's spot and...just kidding....

Don't forget that he needed to move so much closer to home to be with his father as he was battling cancer I think. At least that was their case to get a waiver from the NCAA. Basketball wasn't the reason apparently.

 

[BoilerJS]

Discussing the Baby Boilers with some friends last night from the Valpo area.

I did not know that Scott was considered to be the better player between he and Robbie.

Can someone remind me why Scott Martin transfered?

I think the bottom lone was Rob stole the lime light. Scott didn't like it. In Scotts defense I think he was a little beat up and Painter said to suck it up. That didn't sit well with Scott and his Parents.
Throw in the Moore and JJ hype and their wasn't enough love for Scott. IMO.

 

[njm8845]

We're selling his performance short. He was 5th on that team in minutes as a freshman. He put up better numbers than JJ. So to say he would have "slid into the starting role" as a senior is revisionist history.

Also, he and rob were ranked about the same coming out of high school

 

[88btfu92]

We're selling his performance short. He was 5th on that team in minutes as a freshman. He put up better numbers than JJ. So to say he would have "slid into the starting role" as a senior is revisionist history.

Also, he and rob were ranked about the same coming out of high school

I agree. He did, however, have a nice 12 year run at Notre Dame so it worked out for him.

 

[BBG]

Who?

 

[GodFamilyCountryPurdue]

I think the bottom lone was Rob stole the lime light. Scott didn't like it. In Scotts defense I think he was a little beat up and Painter said to suck it up. That didn't sit well with Scott and his Parents.
Throw in the Moore and JJ hype and their wasn't enough love for Scott. IMO.

I think this is the closest to reality. Martin was a starter and looked better than Robbie. He hurt his ankle and lost some time due to that. He never fully recovered, and he wasn't used to taking the back seat to Robbie. I think it hurt his ego.

 

[Ryneforpresident]

I wonder if he would have had a shot at the NBA if he stuck it out.

 

[mathboy]

I wonder if he would have had a shot at the NBA if he stuck it out.

If you atempt to look at what his career might have been as a Boilermaker, you would have to assume the same health problems he had at ND would have followed him at Purdue as well. He would still have competed against Robbie for attention, and he would still have had a less than notable career, given those constraints.

I wish he had remained with the Boilermakers, because he could have helped the NCAA teams in the years Robbie was out. He could have come off the bench as a hero when Rob went down, and been well thought of at the end of his career here. He would have liked that role, but the NBA was never in those cards, IMHO.

 

[Heller]

The key is Rob showed he was willing to play any position on the floor and Martin just wanted to be a shooter.

 

[Bruce1]

The key is Rob showed he was willing to play any position on the floor and Martin just wanted to be a shooter.

True. Martin wanted to be an offensive star. At Purdue he needed to play D and rebound. I think it was that simple. When he announced he was going to ND I remember he was quoted as saying that Coach Brey would let him be a versatile offensive player, etc. he wanted to be the star, period. Unfortunately, there was never a fit. I think if he had stayed he and Robbie would have been on the floor a lot together at the 3-4 positions. It would have been a tough matchup.

 

[mathboy]

True. Martin wanted to be an offensive star. At Purdue he needed to play D and rebound. I think it was that simple. When he announced he was going to ND I remember he was quoted as saying that Coach Brey would let him be a versatile offensive player, etc. he wanted to be the star, period. Unfortunately, there was never a fit. I think if he had stayed he and Robbie would have been on the floor a lot together at the 3-4 positions. It would have been a tough matchup.

It kind of counter intuitive, but those Purdue teams were actually very good offensive teams at times. Were we not one of the higher scoring teams in the NCAA those years? Mayube my mind is clouded, but I seem to recall that.

 

[GS Thomas]

Discussing the Baby Boilers with some friends last night from the Valpo area.

I did not know that Scott was considered to be the better player between he and Robbie.

Can someone remind me why Scott Martin transfered?

1. Dad
2. Dad
3. Dad

 

[woggy718]

1. Dad
2. Dad
3. Dad

His dad was in Painters ear constantly about how good his son was. The family was beside themselves when Marcus Green started over their beloved Scotty.
My seats were right in front of Martins parents and Robbie's parents their freshman Year and his dad just looked pissed off the whole time. He never clapped one time, even when his son did something good.

 

[Schnelk]

Wasn't Martin the last of the 4 to sign in that class? Wasn't he AAU teammates with Rob and Etwaun? Kramer and Grant were already there. JJ was the future big man. Calasan came on board. Where did he think he was going to get all his minutes? Then it turns out Hummel plays the 4 anyway so Martin could have been a scoring SF if he would have stuck it out. Come on man. Play D, hit the glass and take some 3's. Big missed opportunity.
Ya know he wanted to quit at Christmas. So early on he evidently thought he made a bad decision coming. But his real mistake was leaving at all imo.

 

[kevindub]

Without any real knowledge of Scott I would bet a lot of his leaving had to do with coachability.

 

[thenagemj02]

He left because he needed to get dunked on by Kyle Kuric.

 

[purdue4sure]

True. Martin wanted to be an offensive star. At Purdue he needed to play D and rebound. I think it was that simple. When he announced he was going to ND I remember he was quoted as saying that Coach Brey would let him be a versatile offensive player, etc. he wanted to be the star, period. Unfortunately, there was never a fit. I think if he had stayed he and Robbie would have been on the floor a lot together at the 3-4 positions. It would have been a tough matchup.

ND listed him as a guard. Seriously.

 

[thenagemj02]

ND listed him as a guard. Seriously.

Michigan State/Izzo did the same thing for Branden Dawson, haha!

 

[TheloniousKrunk]

All these reasons are comical. Had nothing to do with Limelight, Robbie, playing out of postion etc. He didnt like there. The dude tried to leave damn near as soon as the season started, when he was getting more minutes/love than Rob. His heart was never in Purdue's system from day one. Simple as that. Add on the fact that his work ethic was no where near the rest of the guys and it looked even worse than what it was.

 

[SIBoiler2]

For once I agree with Krunk. Doesn't matter anyway. He's gone. His career is over. Time to let it go and move on.

 

[Schnelk]

Fwiw, I remember that Painter referred to Hummel and Martin as his 6-8 guards.

 

[Toast.]

I was an 07 HS graduate so I had a couple classes w/ Martin during our freshmen year at Purdue. I'm sitting in CL50 the day after our loss at OSU (a win would've put us in a tie for first in the B1G if I remember correctly) and Martin sits in the row in front of me. Pops open the laptop and pulls up the ESPN highlights from the game, which include a 12-15 foot fadeaway he made that was admittedly pretty nice. As soon as he sees his shot, he watches it ten times in a row and never even finishes the rest of the highlights. Just kept watching his shot, having his buddies watch it, then rewatching it. Wasn't really surprised when he transferred after seeing that.

 

[wingdog]

Discussing the Baby Boilers with some friends last night from the Valpo area.

I did not know that Scott was considered to be the better player between he and Robbie.

Can someone remind me why Scott Martin transfered?

I think some athletes are destined to transfer before they even arrive. They were huge stars in high school, got everything they wanted, people generally capitulated on every request, the parents always had a slanted view, could not accept any poor outcomes to any situation. After Scott transfered I felt he probably was the type that would have transferred from any first school.

 

[GodFamilyCountryPurdue]

I was an 07 HS graduate so I had a couple classes w/ Martin during our freshmen year at Purdue. I'm sitting in CL50 the day after our loss at OSU (a win would've put us in a tie for first in the B1G if I remember correctly) and Martin sits in the row in front of me. Pops open the laptop and pulls up the ESPN highlights from the game, which include a 12-15 foot fadeaway he made that was admittedly pretty nice. As soon as he sees his shot, he watches it ten times in a row and never even finishes the rest of the highlights. Just kept watching his shot, having his buddies watch it, then rewatching it. Wasn't really surprised when he transferred after seeing that.

Why is that odd? You wouldn't watch a highlight of yourself repeatedly on ESPN when you were in college? I know I would have. Whats more odd is the creepy kid behind him paying attention to what he's watching for about 5 minutes. Just sayin'.

 

[Toast.]

Why is that odd? You wouldn't watch a highlight of yourself repeatedly on ESPN when you were in college? I know I would have. Whats more odd is the creepy kid behind him paying attention to what he's watching for about 5 minutes. Just sayin'.

agree to disagree. he watched it repeatedly after we lost a big game -- seemed to speak volumes about where his head was at.

as for being creepy, have you been in CL50? it's hard to not see what the person in front of you is doing, especially if they're blatantly watching a video. and when it's a bball player watching highlights of himself... yeah i'm gonna watch and mock.

 

[GodFamilyCountryPurdue]

agree to disagree. he watched it repeatedly after we lost a big game -- seemed to speak volumes about where his head was at.

as for being creepy, have you been in CL50? it's hard to not see what the person in front of you is doing, especially if they're blatantly watching a video. and when it's a bball player watching highlights of himself... yeah i'm gonna watch and mock.

Then I guess that speaks volumes about where your head is at.

 

[Toast.]

Then I guess that speaks volumes about where your head is at.

in context of Scott Martin, no -- it pretty much confirmed everything that people around the AD had been saying. He was already being contacted by schools (mainly Valpo) at that time -- yes, during the season -- b/c he wanted to leave.

 

[GodFamilyCountryPurdue]

in context of Scott Martin, no -- it pretty much confirmed everything that people around the AD had been saying. He was already being contacted by schools (mainly Valpo) at that time -- yes, during the season -- b/c he wanted to leave.

I've watched many a SportsCenter with a lot of football and basketball players from Purdue that many of you drool over with high accolades. I'll let you in on a little secret. They do the same thing you criticize Martin for doing. Yes, even after a loss. Players don't take losses nearly as bad as fans. It gets to them, but they get over it really fast.

 

[vilehoopster]

I've watched many a SportsCenter with a lot of football and basketball players from Purdue that many of you drool over with high accolades. I'll let you in on a little secret. They do the same thing you criticize Martin for doing. Yes, even after a loss. Players don't take losses nearly as bad as fans. It gets to them, but they get over it really fast.

If our players, who are brought here to represent the university and do that by primarily winning games, and they are the major cogs in the family and/or system of the Purdue basketball program, and these players spend hours after hours developing their skills and preparing for opponents, if the players get over a loss more quickly than the fans, then the Purdue basketball program is really, really, really in trouble. I hope like hell the players have more a problem with a loss than the fans.

 

[vilehoopster]

If our players, who are brought here to represent the university and do that by primarily winning games, and they are the major cogs in the family and/or system of the Purdue basketball program, and these players spend hours after hours developing their skills and preparing for opponents, if the players get over a loss more quickly than the fans, then the Purdue basketball program is really, really, really in trouble. I hope like hell the players have more a problem with a loss than the fans.

That's why I hate the NBA: the players, as long as they are collecting those crazy big checks, the majority of the time for the majority of the players in the NBA, they do get over their losses much too quickly. "We just got swept out of the playoffs. Oh well, I meet with team officials tomorrow and clean out my locker for the season the next day, and then I fly out with my family to spend two weeks in Pago Pago (or where ever) and then stop at Vegas on the way home."

 

[BoilerDeac]

That's why I hate the NBA: the players, as long as they are collecting those crazy big checks, the majority of the time for the majority of the players in the NBA, they do get over their losses much too quickly. "We just got swept out of the playoffs. Oh well, I meet with team officials tomorrow and clean out my locker for the season the next day, and then I fly out with my family to spend two weeks in Pago Pago (or where ever) and then stop at Vegas on the way home."

Players in the NFL do this too. How many times have you seen NFL players, after having just lost a big game, go to mid-field to greet players on the other team, with big smiles across their face, hamming it up.

It's part of it. I've accepted the fact that, as irrational as it may be, I care more as a fan than some players do, whether it's rooting for Purdue, or my beloved Green Bay Packers.

 

[Heller]

Players in the NFL do this too. How many times have you seen NFL players, after having just lost a big game, go to mid-field to greet players on the other team, with big smiles across their face, hamming it up.

It's part of it. I've accepted the fact that, as irrational as it may be, I care more as a fan than some players do, whether it's rooting for Purdue, or my beloved Green Bay Packers.

It's called sportsmanship. If you know you gave it your all, played a clean game without cheap shots to anyone, why would you assume that players shouldn't smile and talk? Especially in the pros where a ton of them went to school together or were in the same conference etc. Basketball guys know each other thru AAU from the age of about 12.

The assholes are the guys like Crean and Knight who when they lost acted like petulant children at times and either refused to even shake hands or worse, just left. It's a game people, put on for the enjoyment of the fans, not a war where people die. Geesh!

 

[BoilerDeac]

It's called sportsmanship. If you know you gave it your all, played a clean game without cheap shots to anyone, why would you assume that players shouldn't smile and talk? Especially in the pros where a ton of them went to school together or were in the same conference etc. Basketball guys know each other thru AAU from the age of about 12.

The assholes are the guys like Crean and Knight who when they lost acted like petulant children at times and either refused to even shake hands or worse, just left. It's a game people, put on for the enjoyment of the fans, not a war where people die. Geesh!

Totally agree; I just think different people have different ways of handling loss. I don't think one is better than the other, just different.

 

[ToddFosterakadirty]

Not to defend Martin, whom I think was kinda of a baby about the whole thing, but players like to watch video of themselves. By the time our freshman year was over I think Painter showed us tape of all his hs games. When he dunked at IU that year, I don't think I went a day without seeing a replay.