I don’t think Haarms at the 5 was the cause for the deep run. It was obviously mainly Carsen Edwards. However, the observation was that the deep run came with a guard leading the team and not being so reliant on playing through the post. That’s it, that’s the deal. Which makes me believe that if they are to make a deep run with Edey, that Smith, Loyer and Jones all need to ball out in a big way.
Would it be bad if I said.....duh. Nobody thinks we can go far without good guard play.
Also Haarms PnR absolutely obliterated Villanove that year and was a great weapon overall
I think that Purdue has dynamic guard play this year as well with Smith. Painter revamped the offense this year to be far less dependent on the post game and the Smith and Edey PnR (with the surrounding shooters that Purdue has now) is without a doubt better than the 2019 PnR with Carsen and Haarms.
A Sweet 16 loss would be very disappointing.
Or what? It would reinforce the legacy of Painter being a great regular season coach but not being able to get it done in the tourney.
Anything other than a Natty is going to be disappointing to me. But I'll get over it and continue to support Matt and the team.
Further evidence that 2010 (with healthy Hummel)
Sure. The perception will be there until Purdue makes a Final Four.
You don’t know that Purdue would have had a Final Four with a healthy Hummel any more than we know that Edey will have a Final Four this year.
So you can say..."I told you so"? I just don't understand this need to see further evidence of anything. Painter isn't going to be fired regardless of his March results. So why keep harping on those results?
Edwards played with Haas and Haas still saw the ball and with Zach it would be even more so. Carsen had a lot of poor shooting games. Carsen had the game of his total career in the tourney and had another strong game during that run in the first game I seem to recall. His second game was good, but there Cline had the game of his career. It is much more accurate to note that two starters had the games of their careers in two different games during that run. Had the career games not happened, they wouldn't even been referenced most likely. Haarm's best game was against Villanova and in that game a couple of really hard hedges allowed him to slip.
There was time not so long ago on this board where if you pointed out that teams built around a center with undersized/unathletic guards was not a formula for success in March you were called a heretic or told to go root for IU.
I've watched this a few times and the water doesn't seem to strike him in the pants, but does in fact find a blue shirtI just went outside and got wet. It's must be raining.
Here is the problem. I can see a lot of advantages in today's game to move away from what was a desired low post play years ago. What nobody has EVER been able to explain is why it has been successful and then all of a sudden it is not? Some think the style and yet that style is also successful against teams outside the conference with different style? So the system does NOT seem to be the problem...assuming of course that a single game is more indicative of a problem than 30. I can list good reasons to not play low post and I can list good reasons to play low post, but the reality is those teams that were beat had issues outside the post. I say all this and my personal preference is two 4's playing, but by the same token there are comments made that do not explain what happens.
Life will go on no matter what happens. But you’ll just have to accept the fact that you won’t win any sports bar or Internet forum debates about Painter’s ability to win in the tourney
Athletic enough for what? To win in the tourney?
Edey. He played under the basket. And he was a power player. He was nothing like Haarms, who used his length and agility. But neither Haarms nor McQuay was in the same discussion with Edey when it comes to complete dominance.
No. Purdue may make the FF this year. I hope they do.
a final four is hard. And we have a great shot of gettin there. And Agreed anything less than an E8 is disappointing. Hope our shooters don’t go cold.
I agree with you. What's the alternative? Not have Zach Edey on you're team?
Those runs were because of Big Dog, Cardinal and Carsen, not because of who we had at center. If any of those teams had Edey also, we’d have 3 national titles by now.
Our guards have passed the test in the regular season for about 4 years in a row now.
I was referring to the tourney game against TN. IMHO, Purdue beating TN back in Nov is irrelevant.
They are jealous commentators from a competitor, they have no more and probably less insight than any on here.
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What has having a dominant center done for Purdue in the tourny?
It doesn’t make them wrong. Purdue isn’t in the same ballpark as MSU when it comes to tourney success. These guys might know something.
The only thing that can't be tested in the regular season is how a player/ team reacts to playing in the biggest stage of their life. Some wilt under the bright lights, but some shine too. Will our guys wilt or shine? That's my only worry as most wilted last year.
Not saying they’re wrong . But you pushed it as some revolutionary analysis on why Purdue isn’t successful in March and about roster construction. Everyone on this board knows more about why Purdue has failed and about Purdue’s roster construction than these guys.
