Savion Flagg offered for 2017

[Do Dah Day]

You are misreading this, and misusing this in your argument. Yes, you can start as a Undecided LA. You can be admitted as an undecided. You can't graduate as an undecided LA. You must declare a major by the end of your sophmore year, IIRC.

That is exactly what is different, and you are missing this entirely. Many other BIG schools allow students to use a General Studies major for 4 years. That means you don't have to take courses in your major, which funnels you through some of the tough courses in the major.

YEP --- and let me assure you, progression toward your major in your 3rd and 4th year ... is TOUGH.

https://www.unc.edu/faculty/faccoun...PriorityRegistration/ProgressTowardDegree.pdf

 

[bonefish1]

I will ASSURE you of one thing ... I have worked with the course selections of over 150 athletes at Purdue. This "Undecided LA" program has NEVER, NOT ONCE, been suggested or mentioned by any academic advisor.

So if a player says to their academic advisor: "Look, I'm only here 1, maybe 2 years and then I'm going pro. Just get me in a program that meets whatever requirements have to be met so I can be eligible for 2 years."
What's an advisor going to say?
"No, you have to take a really tough major."
After all, someone, athlete or not, is going to be in the 'easiest' major.

 

[Do Dah Day]

So if a player says to their academic advisor: "Look, I'm only here 1, maybe 2 years and then I'm going pro. Just get me in a program that meets whatever requirements have to be met so I can be eligible for 2 years."
What's an advisor going to say?
"No, you have to take a really tough major."
After all, someone, athlete or not, is going to be in the 'easiest' major.

First off, there's never been an athlete say that to an advisor ... NEVER! Maybe we've not had those athletes. Remember that there is a CORE set of requirements for EVERY Purdue graduate. They include foreign language, English, communication ( a very difficult course at PU), and math ... among others. You must start taking these your first semester. A normal first semester (summer) is comm114 (in 8 weeks!!!) and soc 110. Then math 153 (maybe 159) during the fall - with practices and games.

There is no easy major, as there are at "general studies" school. GET IT?????????

These are required for graduation and the NCAA require steady progress toward graduation ... as well as in a major.

Here's the math that every athlete I've ever worked with HAD to take ... every single one:
Exponents and radicals; algebraic and fractional expressions. Equations and inequalities, systems of linear equations. Polynomial, exponential, and logarithmic functions.

 

[Do Dah Day]

So if a player says to their academic advisor: "Look, I'm only here 1, maybe 2 years and then I'm going pro. Just get me in a program that meets whatever requirements have to be met so I can be eligible for 2 years."
What's an advisor going to say?
"No, you have to take a really tough major."
After all, someone, athlete or not, is going to be in the 'easiest' major.

Here's the science major foreign language requirement (the liberal arts major is more stringent in this area):

This nine-credit core requirement may be met by satisfaction of one of the following options:

1. Three (3) courses in any one modern foreign language. American Sign Language and Biblical Hebrew may not be used to meet this requirement.

2. Two (2) courses in any one modern foreign language and an approved culture or diversity course.

3. Two (2) courses in any one foreign language and an approved short-term study abroad program (not less than 8 days) containing a minimum 3-credit course and significant immersion in the local culture.

 

[mathboy]

First off, there's never been an athlete say that to an advisor ... NEVER! Maybe we've not had those athletes. Remember that there is a CORE set of requirements for EVERY Purdue graduate. They include foreign language, English, communication ( a very difficult course at PU), and math ... among others. You must start taking these your first semester. A normal first semester (summer) is comm114 (in 8 weeks!!!) and soc 110. Then math 153 (maybe 159) during the fall - with practices and games.

There is no easy major, as there are at "general studies" school. GET IT?????????

These are required for graduation and the NCAA require steady progress toward graduation ... as well as in a major.

Here's the math that every athlete I've ever worked with HAD to take ... every single one:
Exponents and radicals; algebraic and fractional expressions. Equations and inequalities, systems of linear equations. Polynomial, exponential, and logarithmic functions.

Well, that is game, set, and match. Enough of this. If anyone doesn't think some schools with "lighter requirements" don't use this against us, you are just running with sissors.

When Conley and Oden were at Ohio State, I recall seeing their courses, which were needed for progress toward graduation. They were a flipping joke. Something like "The History of Basketball" for 4 credits. "Basketball fundamentals" for 3 credits. This is why a good many athletes tend toward these diploma factories.

If either of these kids had considered Purdue, I will bet dolloars to donuts someone in red & grey would have mentioned the class work difference between the schools. Why would these one&dones want to work that hard? When we talk about the academics at Purdue being a recruiting challenge, this is exactly what we are talking about.

 

[tjreese]

Well, that is game, set, and match. Enough of this. If anyone doesn't think some schools with "lighter requirements" don't use this against us, you are just running with sissors.

When Conley and Oden were at Ohio State, I recall seeing their courses, which were needed for progress toward graduation. They were a flipping joke. Something like "The History of Basketball" for 4 credits. "Basketball fundamentals" for 3 credits. This is why a good many athletes tend toward these diploma factories.

If either of these kids had considered Purdue, I will bet dolloars to donuts someone in red & grey would have mentioned the class work difference between the schools. Why would these one&dones want to work that hard? When we talk about the academics at Purdue being a recruiting challenge, this is exactly what we are talking about.

I've written the following a few times now. When one of my brother-in-laws died in the early 90's a childhood friend from Springfield, Ohio talked to me at the funeral. Randy Ayres was the coach at the time and he told me that when OSU played Purdue, he got to guard the rocket. He went on to talk saying he thought Randy might end up being a good recruiter and asked me if Purdue was still as tough a school then as it was in the late 60's. He went on to say that everyone knew Purdue and Northwestern couldn't hide the players and many shied away from those schools due to academics. These were not my words, but Jody's http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/osu/graphics/pdf/m-baskbl/1968-69.pdf

 

[bonefish1]

Well, that is game, set, and match. Enough of this. If anyone doesn't think some schools with "lighter requirements" don't use this against us, you are just running with sissors.

When Conley and Oden were at Ohio State, I recall seeing their courses, which were needed for progress toward graduation. They were a flipping joke. Something like "The History of Basketball" for 4 credits. "Basketball fundamentals" for 3 credits. This is why a good many athletes tend toward these diploma factories.

If either of these kids had considered Purdue, I will bet dolloars to donuts someone in red & grey would have mentioned the class work difference between the schools. Why would these one&dones want to work that hard? When we talk about the academics at Purdue being a recruiting challenge, this is exactly what we are talking about.

I'd like to see the courses Biggie took last year and what he's registered for 2016/17. He's already said that he's going pro when he gets the chance and I think we all know that this is probably next year. So, given those circumstances, don't you think Painter and the advisor are going to make sure he can focus on basketball and not meeting core requirements for his major. I assume any student can fill up 4 semesters with maybe 12 hours a semester with electives or the easiest core requirements.
Do you think other schools use the course load at Michigan, Duke, or Notre Dame as negatives in recruiting? If so, are they only getting the best athletes who also happen to be the best students?

 

[Dryfly88]

"Serious majors"? Let's not get too uppity here. While not every Purdue student, athlete or not, has to be an engineering major to be considered 'serious', every student has to work hard to get a degree.
I didn't get my BS in what you'd probably consider a 'serious' major, but I worked hard, did well, went and got an MBA from a major school (is that 'serious'?) and now probably do better financially than most of the people I knew who were engineering majors.

If you think all majors at any school not just PU are the same difficulty level, then I don't know what else to say. I don't know what you majored in nor do I care, but certainly you had roommates or friends who majored in something more difficult than you. It doesn't mean they are smarter or going to make more money (not sure why you brought up your income), it just means they are taking classes that are harder than you are. I was a business major and I had two roommates that were in EE and ME. Their course work was much harder than mine. Does it mean I couldn't have done it if that was my passion, I would like to think I could have.

That was my point with the guy who said 99% of the basketball players couldn't handle Pharmacy. While Pharmacy is very difficult it doesn't mean a basketball player couldn't handle it if they wanted to. Just like some have handled Engineering, Aviation and other Majors. I wasn't being "uppity", to the contrary, I was trying to point out that basketball players have done well in a variety of Majors. If I offended you by using the term "serious major" I apologize. Any degree from PU is a great degree in my book!

 

[Do Dah Day]

I'd like to see the courses Biggie took last year and what he's registered for 2016/17. He's already said that he's going pro when he gets the chance and I think we all know that this is probably next year. So, given those circumstances, don't you think Painter and the advisor are going to make sure he can focus on basketball and not meeting core requirements for his major. I assume any student can fill up 4 semesters with maybe 12 hours a semester with electives or the easiest core requirements.
Do you think other schools use the course load at Michigan, Duke, or Notre Dame as negatives in recruiting? If so, are they only getting the best athletes who also happen to be the best students?

Most of your first paragraph is not true. First off, it is not Painters job to make sure he is academically eligible. That is Todd Foster's job. Please get an understanding of how the inside of Mackey and Brees works. Based on NCAA rules, a student-athlete at Purdue cannot fill up four semesters with electives. If you have read all the previous posts, you would understand that with the core courses requirement it is not possible to do that. Assume is making an ass out of you.

Regarding how MI, ND, Duke, Stanford, Northwestern handle recruiting, I have no idea. Clearly, there are highly intelligent great athletes. Harvard got 4-stars this year. The point that YOU started this conversation with is that Purdue does have a "general studies" degree ... which we have proven is not correct. That has a dribble-down effect. When combined with the core requirement for a Purdue degree, it makes Purdue different from many other schools ... which ones I don't know.

I will assure you of one thing ... there has never been a single class at PU that has more athletes in it than non-athletes. There is NO athlete-centric class or major.

If it does not break any confidentiality rules, I'll get you Swannigan's class schedule ... as long as he gives me permission.

 

[tjreese]

Most of your first paragraph is not true. First off, it is not Painters job to make sure he is academically eligible. That is Todd Foster's job. Please get an understanding of how the inside of Mackey and Brees works. Based on NCAA rules, a student-athlete at Purdue cannot fill up four semesters with electives. If you have read all the previous posts, you would understand that with the core courses requirement it is not possible to do that. Assume is making an ass out of you.

Regarding how MI, ND, Duke, Stanford, Northwestern handle recruiting, I have no idea. Clearly, there are highly intelligent great athletes. Harvard got 4-stars this year. The point that YOU started this conversation with is that Purdue does have a "general studies" degree ... which we have proven is not correct. That has a dribble-down effect. When combined with the core requirement for a Purdue degree, it makes Purdue different from many other schools ... which ones I don't know.

I will assure you of one thing ... there has never been a single class at PU that has more athletes in it than non-athletes. There is NO athlete-centric class or major.

If it does not break any confidentiality rules, I'll get you Swannigan's class schedule ... as long as he gives me permission.

Question for you. Years ago I worked with Dewayne Kurpius (IU) and some community members on various school improvements. Dewayne's wife (Buzz) handled the athletic academics at IU. Any chance you were ever in contact with them or her? Not important...just curious...

 

[Do Dah Day]

Question for you. Years ago I worked with Dewayne Kurpius (IU) and some community members on various school improvements. Dewayne's wife (Buzz) handled the athletic academics at IU. Any chance you were ever in contact with them or her? Not important...just curious...

I don't know them. There is an annual conference, but I don't attend. Two years ago, PU sent a representative to four other B1G schools to see how they did things. There have been some nice changes made based on that trip. IU was not a school they visited.

 

[mathboy]

Most of your first paragraph is not true. First off, it is not Painters job to make sure he is academically eligible. That is Todd Foster's job. Please get an understanding of how the inside of Mackey and Brees works. Based on NCAA rules, a student-athlete at Purdue cannot fill up four semesters with electives. If you have read all the previous posts, you would understand that with the core courses requirement it is not possible to do that. Assume is making an ass out of you.

Regarding how MI, ND, Duke, Stanford, Northwestern handle recruiting, I have no idea. Clearly, there are highly intelligent great athletes. Harvard got 4-stars this year. The point that YOU started this conversation with is that Purdue does have a "general studies" degree ... which we have proven is not correct. That has a dribble-down effect. When combined with the core requirement for a Purdue degree, it makes Purdue different from many other schools ... which ones I don't know.

I will assure you of one thing ... there has never been a single class at PU that has more athletes in it than non-athletes. There is NO athlete-centric class or major.

If it does not break any confidentiality rules, I'll get you Swannigan's class schedule ... as long as he gives me permission.

I would seriously recommend not giving out Biggie's classes, period. It is not my business and it is certainly not Bonefish's business what this kid takes for classes. He will just pick apart each class Biggie is taking and tell that they are easy, although he has no real experience with them. We have explained this academic issue ad-nauseam. I am done with this, and I think you should be too. This poster is just being thick headed and stubborn.. It is difficult for some people to back down from their position, even on an anonymous message board. Don't do it.

 

[Do Dah Day]

I would seriously recommend not giving out Biggie's classes, period. It is not my business and it is certainly not Bonefish's business what this kid takes for classes. He will just pick apart each class Biggie is taking and tell that they are easy, although he has no real experience with them. We have explained this academic issue ad-nauseam. I am done with this, and I think you should be too. This poster is just being thick headed and stubborn.. It is difficult for some people to back down from their position, even on an anonymous message board. Don't do it.

Wise .. agreed.... thanks

 

[purdue4sure]

I've previously refuted this common urban legend that Purdue doesn't have a 'general studies' major.
What we do have is 'undecided liberal arts'. Probably the same thing....
http://www.admissions.purdue.edu/majors/majors_details.php?MjrCd=UNDECIDELA

Does Duke, Michigan, Stanford, etc have a 'general studies' major? Do you think Purdue is superior academically to those schools?
Trust me, the academic environment at Purdue is highly unlikely the reason a recruit doesn't come to Purdue.

You previously attempted to "refute" these statements with ignorance and misinformation. You failed miserably. You included majors that are considered difficult programs where Purdue is rated highly, nationally. Cordova started the liberal arts programs you are referring to. You were making these same statements before she was Purdue's president.