Purdue this weekend. He visited last month as well. Must have liked what he saw and wants to see more. Avon RB with offers from everyone.
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Hazell, again?
Guys, get over it.
This ain't the past. Enjoy the now.
Let's not have the jilted lover's forum.
I doubt there is any love lost or ever was any love for the previous coach not to be named. or the previous AD whose name is all butt forgotten. However, there was a public press conference that informed Purdue alumni that said to be the best, Purdue needs to compete with the best both on and off the field. Part of that was to build a new training facility. In order to win a championship, you must first win the recruiting battles. It's refreshing to see Brohm accepting the challenge. When it comes to recruiting battles, I'm not sure even Tiller competed for the same players OSU, ND and Michigan were drooling over.
Not naming the coach, but if you refer to the databases on a different site, you can bring up the offers and targets and it was very clear our football coaches were neither targeting or offering the same caliber of talent that OSU and Mich we're going after. It was basically the coach was only targeting players he thought he had a chance of signing.
And by doing so, he was handicapping the team before they ever started! It's one thing to compete for a player and lose like basketball's JJJ. It's another thing to not even try and just accept defeat.
Win or lose, I love the fact Brohm is actually willing to go head to head with the big boys for a player he wants.
Now you're moving the goal posts.
The issue was NOT whether or not "our football coaches were ... targeting or offering the same caliber of talent that OSU and Mich we're (sic) going after."
The issue was whether or not "Tiller competed for the same players OSU, ND and Michigan were drooling over."
The answer is, absolutely(!) he was going after some of the same players!
It's absurd to think Tiller (or any other Purdue football coach) would be going after EXACTLY "the same caliber of talent that OSU and Mich we're (sic) going after."
You can add Lymon, Plue, Robinson, and now Moore. Paxson was an asterisk, since he never showed at Purdue and chose to play baseball.Recruits with legit national offers that landed at Purdue off the top of my head.
Orton
Schweigert (he is the reason Lloyd took Indianas best every year)
Baker (really didnt know that one?)
Edwards
Bushong
Paxson
Van Dyke
Pollard
Allen
Ross
You can add Lymon, Plue, Robinson, and now Moore. Paxson was an asterisk, since he never showed at Purdue and chose to play baseball.
since the internet recruiting ratings only go back so far, it's impossible to prove or disprove how many of the same players Tiller actively recruited that were also actively recruited by OSU , Michigan and ND. We all know the story of Drew Brees and his recruitment. What was the story of Woodson, Schweigert, George, Keena Turner, Kerrigan and Light? I really have no memory who else was recruiting or interested in George. he was a 5* athlete. I know we beat out MSU for Schweigert as Rogers went to MSU. Kerrigan, Light and Turner were all talented 3*s that developed into stars.
it's a given that OSU, Michigan and ND recruit and sign some 3* athletes. And Purdue has recruited and signed some 4* athletes.
but if you look at the existing databases of recent Purdue targets/offers, you will see very few that were 4/5 * . We target very few 4/5 * athletes. And typically the 4/5* athletes Purdue targets are not the same ones the BIG 3 target. How many times do you see a Purdue coach targeting the same 4/5 star athletes ND, OSU and MICH are recruiting? and unlike many of his predecessors, that appears exactly what Brohm is doing. he's going head to head with the best for the best.
two recent examples were Robinson and Etlin. Robinson was recruited by Michigan and Notre Dame, but never received a offer from either per 24/7. and Etlin's best offers came from Colorado and Iowa. if you look at OSU, MICH or ND, you will rarely see any of their signees having even received offers from Purdue. it was as if once one of the BIG 3 got into the picture, Purdue bowed out of the race.
but, Brohm is changing that past. he's taking on the big boys and going after that same talent. I doubt he wins many battles, but I have confidence he'll win a few. and he's at least making the effort.
The players i listed had offers from the three you listed and other contenders.The point was not about offering 4* players! My point was about offering 4/5* players that also received offers from Mich, OSU and ND!
My original point was a comparison to Hazell, but that upset people. So I expanded the point to say Tiller also shied away from recruiting against those 3 schools.
James is a 4* recruit that already has offers from OSU, Mich and ND! Name me the last 4/5* Purdue recruit that could also claim the same. My point and belief is that it sure doesn't happen very often no matter who our coach was, including Tiller .
I think when word gets around that Brohm is visiting Indy or Chicago schools has a bigger pull than if the name Hazell is dropped. Brohm is a known commodity based on name alone...that helps immensely. It also doesn’t hurt that high school coaches are using husbands stuff either and can point to that if a kid Ian getting recruited (ie: Moore).I think its interesting that during the Mollenkolph years in late 1960's Purdue went up against every so called college football blueblood and won a number of high profile recruiting battles. From 1964-1970 we were routinely ranked in top ten pre-season lists.There were no Recruiting Class Rankings then but The Parade HS All American Teams were pretty much the template used before recruiting services got involved.
Biggest fish was probably Dave Butz out of Maine South HS-based on interview he gave the Exponent his senior yr, he said that he had offers from 132 schools? He chose PU over UM-his uncle, Earl Butz (head of Ag dept) helped seal the deal.
That same recruiting class garnered Otis Armstrong, Daryl Stingley (both from Chi Public League and HS All-Americans who chose PU over UW, Neb). Steve Baumgartner,Gregg Bingham from Chi Catholic League,John Handy, Lockport IL HS, Gary Danielson,chose PU over UM & ND etc, etc
Since then, we can no longer get top recruits out of Chicago area like before. I suspect Ron Meyer was the difference in 1960's. Didn't hurt that he drove around W Laf in a bright blue corvette which he used when out recruiting either ........................
The point was not about offering 4* players! My point was about offering 4/5* players that also received offers from Mich, OSU and ND!
My original point was a comparison to Hazell, but that upset people. So I expanded the point to say Tiller also shied away from recruiting against those 3 schools.
James is a 4* recruit that already has offers from OSU, Mich and ND! Name me the last 4/5* Purdue recruit that could also claim the same. My point and belief is that it sure doesn't happen very often no matter who our coach was, including Tiller .
As late as the 1985 Parade All American Hs team, Leon Burnett was able to sign (2) off the (33) man roster. Today, these 33 would be considered 5 star recruits.
We all know Jeff George .... but who was the other one who Leon signed and enrolled? Does anyone know?
Avon’s Sampson James just committed to Ohio State, per his Twitter account.
Keep recruiting him
Would be a tough one to sway. Have to look at their run game and ours over the past few years and like what you see there vs. question marks here.
I like the kid and want him. 99% off the board at this point though id say.
Hopefully takes Keshawn King off OSU radar.Would be a tough one to sway. Have to look at their run game and ours over the past few years and like what you see there vs. question marks here.
I like the kid and want him. 99% off the board at this point though id say.
Because schools like OSU put their backups in the NFL still. You are correct that he would likely be a workhorse type back here but the kid may idolize Eddie George or has been a Buckeye fan for his entire life. Whatever it might be the kid isn’t any better or worse for going some where other than Purdue (we’d just think he was much better had he actually chosen Purdue, lol).Dobbins will be the starting RB for 2 more years. Plus they signed 3 4* RBs just this last class, now they get Sampson. I don't see why Sampson would look at OSU and see any immediate playing time.
Eddie George? Showing your age.Because schools like OSU put their backups in the NFL still. You are correct that he would likely be a workhorse type back here but the kid may idolize Eddie George or has been a Buckeye fan for his entire life. Whatever it might be the kid isn’t any better or worse for going some where other than Purdue (we’d just think he was much better had he actually chosen Purdue, lol).
Eddie George? Showing your age.
Orton should have been a 5 star recruit...really can't understand how he wasn't considering he was the #1 PP in his class at 6'4 and 220 as a senior in high school. Been a few others that were high 4 stars that should have been 5's but appeared not to get the bump because of their commitment to Purdue.And we need to be fair to our history as well. Purdue has been where big time recruits go to languish (generally) while the lunch pail type recruits use it as a place to shine. I hope Brohm can change that history, but our record with highly touted recruits doesn't exactly sell itself.
Orton should have been a 5 star recruit...really can't understand how he wasn't considering he was the #1 PP in his class at 6'4 and 220 as a senior in high school. Been a few others that were high 4 stars that should have been 5's but appeared not to get the bump because of their commitment to Purdue.
So 4 star was as high as it got back then? So why do people bitch and complain about Tiller not getting big time recruits? Purdue has shown an ability to do so when they have been good and can't when they suck....not much different from other programs.When Orton came in, im pretty sure it was a 4 star scale. Same with Stu.
We get a few of them. you need a lot of them to compete for conference titles year after year.So 4 star was as high as it got back then? So why do people bitch and complain about Tiller not getting big time recruits? Purdue has shown an ability to do so when they have been good and can't when they suck....not much different from other programs.