Crazy we were able to win 4 games…Can’t believe Brohm left us with nobody.
Remember when we had no talent last year?
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We had a lot more talent last year than this year, including Scourton who will be a 1st round draft pick and WRs who could catch the ball.
We lost a lot more talent in the transfer portal than what we received back from the portal in the offseason. Walters stays, then it will be even worse this year.
We lost a lot more talent in the transfer portal than what we received back from the portal in the offseason. Walters stays, then it will be even worse this year.
If it’s true that Walters is getting another year, then he must be a good salesman and convinced the people over him, that he can turn things around with more time and money. If it doesn’t happen, then more than coaching staff need to go.
Purdue won't admit they made a mistake.
I’m a Purdue fan. I don’t really care about Brohm any longer but I’m not going to sit around while the half brains on this board like you blame anything and anybody but the current coach for the issues we have.
I was hyper critical of Walters last year but it was obvious we were getting less out of more last year. Fast forward a year we are less talented and twice as inept. You can’t blame a guy 22 months removed from the program for the failures of the guy in the seat now. Sure, it would have been great if he left a fully stocked roster…but what coach that leaves any program has a fully stocked roster? When has Purdue ever had a fully stocked roster?
2003 was as close as Purdue has come to that in my lifetime.
You know ball! LOL YOU keep bringing him up. YOU are the Brohm ass kisser on the board. No one here cares any more. Are you just trying to puff your ego? You are totally nonsensical. If you knew shit from shinola you would be making suggestions instead of just bitching. You provide nothing but comedy.
The Brees 2000 team was pretty stacked too.
I think the 2000 team had the best OL that Purdue has had in many, many years. The 2003's defense was probably better than the 2000 team. I love Orton, but obviously the QB was better in 2000 with Brees of course.
No, but some did blame the Walters 2023 debacle on Brohm leaving him no players.
2003 was by far the best team of my lifetime. Not old enough to have been alive for the late 70s 10 win team. 2003 was pretty stacked, and freakiung lost to Bowling Green lol. 2002 was the best bad team I have ever seen.
5%.
The other 95% was a bunch of 20 and 30-something coaches having their collective heads up their collective backsides…
You Brohm lovers can go to Louisville. Brohm did leave substantial holes without a doubt. Giving Brohm credit for Tracy’s outstanding play is absurd. Brohm played him in the wrong position, so give Walters credit for that improvement. That being said give Walters a first year pass. Walters took out his shopping cart and went shopping in the Portal to fix those holes for this year. This year’s performance is solidly on his shoulders. The Portal has changed the landscape from the past. Look at IU’s performance this season. Yes, they have a much better schedule for sure than Purdue but we haven’t even been competitive except for Illinois. I stuck up for Walters last year because of Brohm, but this year’s performance is entirely on Walters. He should have at the very least improved performance from last year and been competitive. I don’t see how you can fix the situation other than firing Walters.
The poor fundamentals have always been there with this coach. That’s not on Brohm.
You Walters lovers could leave and go where he goes but I don't think anyone is going to want him after Purdue.
Certainly more than 5% but I’m not about to argue about the staff. No one will.
I’m confident if/when Walters leaves Purdue, He’ll find a new job somewhere else. Look at Walter’s assistants. They were all assistants somewhere. Look at the jets head coach. The packers gave him a job 1 week after he was fired. Hazell was hired by the Vikings.
Once you’re a coach, it’s easy to find another job. Look at all the offers Myers received and still receives. It’s the same with Gruden.
Once you’re a coach, it’s easy to find another job. Look at all the offers Myers received and still receives. It’s the same with Gruden.
Thank you for agreeing with me. Here is another tidbit for you.
Much like Tracy and AOC, I’m confident there will be Players that Walters recruited that will perform well in the NFL and you will have the same posts of he left the cupboard bare or you will say how can Purdue have been so bad with so many former Purdue players playing in the nfl!
Left him very few players and many key positions were bereft.
Combine that with idiotic scheduling, hiring a new coach last minute on the cheap, being cheap on NIL, and yes a coach without the experience to maximize what remained and you have the recipe for what is going on.
"Coach bad, new coach good" is such a simplistic view and one I hope isn't adopted by the AD. A new coach doesn't solve this without a total monetary investment in the program.
Walters inherited some good players, including a handful that will be/are in the NFL, and it’s up to him to supplement those players with his own guys, like Brohm did in 2016/17, and like Cignetti has done this year at IU.
And then to put those players in schemes that maximize their collective talents. Not force his idiotic 5-2 scheme onto them, for example.
This is generally called “coaching football”. All the things Walters can’t handle!
You can’t compare this to Cignetti. He brought 13 already bought in players with him. Walters inherited a roster with a lot of issues, but he then made it worse with a total whiff in the portal. That paired with a child staff that doesn’t know what to do or how to create a culture is how you get this 1-11 debacle.
Cignetti knows how to evaluate. Walters doesn’t. That’s part of the job.
Putting that talent in the right scheme is also part of the job. Walters sucks at that also.
If I remember right, I think that entire line played in the NFL, with some of those guys (Light, in particular) having pretty long NFL careers.
Ok but for you to say Walters should’ve done what Cignetti did is flat out dumb. There’s no legitimate argument that can be made to liken these two scenarios.
It’s his job to accurately evaluate and bring in players, and then to put them in position to succeed. Like many, many other coaches have done, and are doing, including Cignetti.
Why are you arguing as if there is anyone who thinks Walters has done anything but a terrible job? There is literally not one person on this board who believes in this coach. Stop trying to draw silly parallels that don’t exist.
Very few. His own guys? He didn't have over a dozen players to bring over. The collective talent is bottom of the conference. It's why we were universally ranked there.
The point is, Walters inherited as many future NFL players as most other new P5 coaches do. Good ones supplement that talent, and then come up with schemes to fit the players they have. It’s been done at Purdue, IU, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, etc etc … heck even Oregon State and Washington State are doing better than this group.
I mean I don't understand this analysis as if having a couple of NFL level players is all you need no matter how bad the rest of your roster is
Why do you think we were universally ranked last in the conference? Do you think they thought, Purdue has good talent but boy that coach sucks, or do you think they thought, boy they have very little talent on that team?
Yeah coaches are required to recruit. So yeah if you can't do that, you get fired. But present talent and schedule matter too just as commitment to NLI does. IU had great advantages in all three.
Swap Cignetti for Walters. Yeah Cignetti probably wins a couple more games but we are still underdogs to getting to a bowl game. No, Walters isn't undefeated at IU but he's probably on his way to making a bowl game.
More matters than just "coach bad."
Talking about the 2023 roster, which had more than a “couple” of NFL players… Tracy, Scourton, Burks, Theineman, Mock and Hartwig… and possibly others... Cignetti didn’t inherit a better roster from Allen. Nor did Brohm inherit a better roster from Hazell.
Nor does IU have a sizable NIL advantage, in Football.
They took what was there, added to it, and tailored schemes around that talent. They didn’t force “their” schemes onto talent that can’t execute it.
I put more blame on MBob for this fiasco. A 36 year old DC who has never been a head coach was never going to work here.
Mbow will definitely be drafted. Add him to your list but take Mockobee off. We all like him and he’s a good college back, but I seriously doubt he has an NFL career.
I would love to see some evidence of your claims about tailoring schemes. I’m 99.9% certain you have not done comprehensive analysis of the schemes of Brohm at WKU and Cignetti at JMU and how they modified them at their new school. You just see success and make this claim based on nothing because you are so hung up on this defensive scheme. Just run a 2 deep shell and we’d be bowl eligible, right? Lol
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