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In March, it's all about match-ups, but you can also play into your undoing...

Which do you think will be Purdue's biggest issue, or lead to its downfall, in March? Granted, not all of these are singular issues (i.e. playing athletic big men can lead to poor output/defense by Purdue, but also lead to below average rebounding).

-Turnovers: Purdue has had 11 or fewer turnovers in the last three games, but it has been a red flag in close wins or losses. At Penn State, 17 turnovers. vs. Minnesota, 14 turnovers. vs. Louisville, 17 turnovers. (And I would include "the press" as part of this category as we've already hashed out the press).

-Rebounding: Purdue's a strong rebounding team, but it's had some slip-ups in some tight games, or losses. Purdue's been outrebounded: @ Northwestern, @ Penn State, vs. IU, @ Nebraska, @ Iowa, @ Louisville. Obviously some of these weren't losses, but some tighter games.

-Three point shooting: If we don't shoot the ball well from the perimeter, it allows teams to clog the interior and provide a rebounding advantage. Games we have shot poorly from the perimeter: @ Northwestern (4-19), @ Michigan (5-16), @ IU (6-21), @ Iowa (11-28) and Minnesota (9-28). There's also been some games where we didn't shoot poorly statistically, but our attempts were high - @ Penn State (12-26 - 14 missed shots). Many of these games were also games we lost the rebounding battle.

-Free Throws: We are great at drawing fouls (and not giving up many). This usually leads to a free throw advantage, and also a high number of free throw attempts, which we have a very solid team percentage. When we have not gotten to the line, we have typically struggled: @ Michigan (8 attempts vs. their 11), @ Nebraska (13 attempts vs. their 24). However, we've also lost games that we had ample free throws: @ Iowa (21-25) and Louisville (16-22).

-Physical/athletic big men: When we've faced some more athletic big men, we have struggled some in the interior. Some notable examples: @ Penn State, Michigan, IU (in a weird way) and Iowa to a degree. Obviously Swanigan has a history of becoming turnover prone when pressure is applied - and he is not athletic to guard guys like a Wagner and other perimeter big men. Obviously Haas is only going to be effective when there's someone similar in size, which not all teams have (remember, Arkansas Little Rock used a small/quick lineup to disrupt and cause turnovers).

-Overall defense: While we have definitely improved defensively, we aren't a shut down team by any means. Mathias has done a great job on many of the league's guards, but obviously we could face some more athletic guards that can challenge our dribble penetration defense. We allowed Michigan to shoot 54%, @ Michigan State 52%, Iowa 57% Minnesota 49%. The good news is that most of those were further back in the season - except Michigan.

-Strength of schedule: We haven't had a bad schedule, but we haven't played a number of Top 15 teams as you can do in a "normal" Big Ten year. We had some good experience playing against one of the best teams in the country (Villanova), and a very solid Louisville team. But we haven't been challenged with team/talent like that really since then. We've faced some pretty good teams - Wisconsin, Notre Dame, etc. - but we've also only faced the top 4 Big Ten teams one team each (Maryland, Minnesota and Wisconsin). In both tournaments, everyone is playing do-or-die. And when we leave the Big Ten to play in the NCAAs, we don't know what to expect (I'm not a Big Ten basher and I think overall there's a lot of parity, but I also can see it being bad for the Big Ten).

I think one of the stranger games of Purdue's season was the Penn State game. You don't want to overanalyze one game, but Penn State shot 42%, 11% from 3, they shot 14 free throws - a pretty normal number, we had 17 turnovers - but they had 16, etc.

The 2 stats that jump out - they outrebounded us and they had 10 blocks. They did a great job on Swanigan who only shot 5 times and 2 of those were 3s. Granted, Haas did have a good game himself, but they were one of the few teams that really isolated Swanigan's effectiveness offensively, and with rebounds.

That being said, there's a plethora of things that can come up. I don't think Purdue has been a "shoot itself in the foot" team so much this year, but they've had some bad matchups that got exposed and ran into some hot shooting teams at times too. Looking at our recent games, obviously the Michigan game stands out - which was a combination of a hard matchup for us and they also happened to have a couple hot shooters. So I'd probably say a bad matchup - particularly on the interior that can minimize Swanigan and our interior strength - would be our kryptonite.
 
Does "bad play" qualify? It could be any/several of the things you mention that can get us beat in any given NCAAT game and we can fall victim to any of them. We can also overcome most of them in a given game if we play well otherwise. Really tough to predict what might give us the most problems until we see potential matchups.
 
"The press". Meh. Last year's news. Bring it. Purdue will cook a press for easy buckets.
 
Couldn't you apply your list to literally any team in the country? Seems you just made a generic list to try and bring up Purdue failing.

How is it a generic list when I applied every single one to games that Purdue struggled and lost?

For example, not shooting enough free throws - I mean that's one of our biggest strengths in terms of shooting percentage and going to the line a lot - that's a significant thing for us. Saying "free throws" and hoping we shoot a higher percentage than our average is a generic statement that can be applied to every team. But not every team has a one of the nation's best FT percentages and also gets to the line a significant amount (and doesn't foul a lot).

Also, 3 point shooting. We're the best in the Big Ten. Saying well hopefully we shoot at or better than our average - that's a generic thing that can be applied to anyone. But it's one of Purdue's biggest strengths on the season. So an off game is a significant change in our game. If we shot 32% on the season and averaged 10 attempts, being +/- 15% is not a dramatic difference in your game. We shoot 40% on the season and a 15% difference is a big deal when you average 23 attempts a game.
 
How is it a generic list when I applied every single one to games that Purdue struggled and lost?

For example, not shooting enough free throws - I mean that's one of our biggest strengths in terms of shooting percentage and going to the line a lot - that's a significant thing for us. Saying "free throws" and hoping we shoot a higher percentage than our average is a generic statement that can be applied to every team. But not every team has a one of the nation's best FT percentages and also gets to the line a significant amount (and doesn't foul a lot).

Also, 3 point shooting. We're the best in the Big Ten. Saying well hopefully we shoot at or better than our average - that's a generic thing that can be applied to anyone. But it's one of Purdue's biggest strengths on the season. So an off game is a significant change in our game. If we shot 32% on the season and averaged 10 attempts, being +/- 15% is not a dramatic difference in your game. We shoot 40% on the season and a 15% difference is a big deal when you average 23 attempts a game.
We are the 6th best 3 point shooting team in the COUNTRY. We've had off games and that's clearly the norm, otherwise we wouldn't be at the top of the list.
 
In March, it's all about match-ups, but you can also play into your undoing...

Which do you think will be Purdue's biggest issue, or lead to its downfall, in March? Granted, not all of these are singular issues (i.e. playing athletic big men can lead to poor output/defense by Purdue, but also lead to below average rebounding).

-Turnovers: Purdue has had 11 or fewer turnovers in the last three games, but it has been a red flag in close wins or losses. At Penn State, 17 turnovers. vs. Minnesota, 14 turnovers. vs. Louisville, 17 turnovers. (And I would include "the press" as part of this category as we've already hashed out the press).

-Rebounding: Purdue's a strong rebounding team, but it's had some slip-ups in some tight games, or losses. Purdue's been outrebounded: @ Northwestern, @ Penn State, vs. IU, @ Nebraska, @ Iowa, @ Louisville. Obviously some of these weren't losses, but some tighter games.

-Three point shooting: If we don't shoot the ball well from the perimeter, it allows teams to clog the interior and provide a rebounding advantage. Games we have shot poorly from the perimeter: @ Northwestern (4-19), @ Michigan (5-16), @ IU (6-21), @ Iowa (11-28) and Minnesota (9-28). There's also been some games where we didn't shoot poorly statistically, but our attempts were high - @ Penn State (12-26 - 14 missed shots). Many of these games were also games we lost the rebounding battle.

-Free Throws: We are great at drawing fouls (and not giving up many). This usually leads to a free throw advantage, and also a high number of free throw attempts, which we have a very solid team percentage. When we have not gotten to the line, we have typically struggled: @ Michigan (8 attempts vs. their 11), @ Nebraska (13 attempts vs. their 24). However, we've also lost games that we had ample free throws: @ Iowa (21-25) and Louisville (16-22).

-Physical/athletic big men: When we've faced some more athletic big men, we have struggled some in the interior. Some notable examples: @ Penn State, Michigan, IU (in a weird way) and Iowa to a degree. Obviously Swanigan has a history of becoming turnover prone when pressure is applied - and he is not athletic to guard guys like a Wagner and other perimeter big men. Obviously Haas is only going to be effective when there's someone similar in size, which not all teams have (remember, Arkansas Little Rock used a small/quick lineup to disrupt and cause turnovers).

-Overall defense: While we have definitely improved defensively, we aren't a shut down team by any means. Mathias has done a great job on many of the league's guards, but obviously we could face some more athletic guards that can challenge our dribble penetration defense. We allowed Michigan to shoot 54%, @ Michigan State 52%, Iowa 57% Minnesota 49%. The good news is that most of those were further back in the season - except Michigan.

-Strength of schedule: We haven't had a bad schedule, but we haven't played a number of Top 15 teams as you can do in a "normal" Big Ten year. We had some good experience playing against one of the best teams in the country (Villanova), and a very solid Louisville team. But we haven't been challenged with team/talent like that really since then. We've faced some pretty good teams - Wisconsin, Notre Dame, etc. - but we've also only faced the top 4 Big Ten teams one team each (Maryland, Minnesota and Wisconsin). In both tournaments, everyone is playing do-or-die. And when we leave the Big Ten to play in the NCAAs, we don't know what to expect (I'm not a Big Ten basher and I think overall there's a lot of parity, but I also can see it being bad for the Big Ten).

I think one of the stranger games of Purdue's season was the Penn State game. You don't want to overanalyze one game, but Penn State shot 42%, 11% from 3, they shot 14 free throws - a pretty normal number, we had 17 turnovers - but they had 16, etc.

The 2 stats that jump out - they outrebounded us and they had 10 blocks. They did a great job on Swanigan who only shot 5 times and 2 of those were 3s. Granted, Haas did have a good game himself, but they were one of the few teams that really isolated Swanigan's effectiveness offensively, and with rebounds.

That being said, there's a plethora of things that can come up. I don't think Purdue has been a "shoot itself in the foot" team so much this year, but they've had some bad matchups that got exposed and ran into some hot shooting teams at times too. Looking at our recent games, obviously the Michigan game stands out - which was a combination of a hard matchup for us and they also happened to have a couple hot shooters. So I'd probably say a bad matchup - particularly on the interior that can minimize Swanigan and our interior strength - would be our kryptonite.
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The matchup I'm most concerned with is physical inside play allowed coupled with protecting the driver on touch fouls. Any team that gets that kind of interpretation can hurt Purdue.

Specifically for teams, big guards that have an in-between game and can drive the ball are a problem. Bigs that can face up and be a threat are a problem. Overall TEam quickness that make Purdue play all 94 feet for 40 minutes could be a problem. Athletic bigs as noted can be a problem. Any team that can exploit Purdue's lack of athleticism into a physical game negates the skill Purdue brings. Purdue wants a skill game...or very unskilled athletes... :)
 
We are the 6th best 3 point shooting team in the COUNTRY. We've had off games and that's clearly the norm, otherwise we wouldn't be at the top of the list.

Yeah, which is the entire point of this thread. If we have a very uncharacteristic 3 point shooting night - it can put us in a very precarious/tough situation - which is the subject of this thread.
 
Yeah, which is the entire point of this thread. If we have a very uncharacteristic 3 point shooting night - it can put us in a very precarious/tough situation - which is the subject of this thread.
We have other pieces to supplement an off shooting night.
 
We have other pieces to supplement an off shooting night.

Yes, so you would not select three point shooting above. That's perfectly fine - I agree, I think we've shown that we typically adjust our 3 point shooting based on success pretty well for the most part. There's been a couple cases which we haven't, but it's not really crept up as a consistent issue.
 
Yes, so you would not select three point shooting above. That's perfectly fine - I agree, I think we've shown that we typically adjust our 3 point shooting based on success pretty well for the most part. There's been a couple cases which we haven't, but it's not really crept up as a consistent issue.
The games we've lost are more attritubted to our PnR defense and just defense as a whole. If we can defend, we can beat anyone, shooting well or not.

Nebraska proved that we just can't outscore opponents. We went 14-25 from 3 and still lost. This team is great offensively, but our lapses on defense have cost us most of our losses.
 
A lot of factors could lead to a loss. You can point to the 6 losses this season and find a different combination of issues in each one. But as far as kryponite, something that would render this team helpless, I am going off the board and saying depth or lack thereof. This team can work around most other issues as long as it has Biggie and VE available for 30-35 minutes apiece. With either one on the bench for an extended amount of time (more than 4-5 minutes) due to foul trouble this team and its rotations unravel quickly, IH gets tired, and the other team doesn't have to deal with the different looks we normally throw at them. 2 quick whistles on one of these guys would be a kryptonite bomb.
 
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The matchup I'm most concerned with is physical inside play allowed coupled with protecting the driver on touch fouls. Any team that gets that kind of interpretation can hurt Purdue.

Specifically for teams, big guards that have an in-between game and can drive the ball are a problem. Bigs that can face up and be a threat are a problem. Overall TEam quickness that make Purdue play all 94 feet for 40 minutes could be a problem. Athletic bigs as noted can be a problem. Any team that can exploit Purdue's lack of athleticism into a physical game negates the skill Purdue brings. Purdue wants a skill game...or very unskilled athletes... :)
Agreed. We have not had great answers to physical big men that are allowed to play. The good news is that historically the Dance is harder on physicality in the lane than the B1G has been. And yes, quick guards - especially more than one - are tough on us, as they are on most teams. (One reason I am excited about next year with CE and NE)
 
In March, it's all about match-ups, but you can also play into your undoing...

Which do you think will be Purdue's biggest issue, or lead to its downfall, in March? Granted, not all of these are singular issues (i.e. playing athletic big men can lead to poor output/defense by Purdue, but also lead to below average rebounding).

-Turnovers: Purdue has had 11 or fewer turnovers in the last three games, but it has been a red flag in close wins or losses. At Penn State, 17 turnovers. vs. Minnesota, 14 turnovers. vs. Louisville, 17 turnovers. (And I would include "the press" as part of this category as we've already hashed out the press).

-Rebounding: Purdue's a strong rebounding team, but it's had some slip-ups in some tight games, or losses. Purdue's been outrebounded: @ Northwestern, @ Penn State, vs. IU, @ Nebraska, @ Iowa, @ Louisville. Obviously some of these weren't losses, but some tighter games.

-Three point shooting: If we don't shoot the ball well from the perimeter, it allows teams to clog the interior and provide a rebounding advantage. Games we have shot poorly from the perimeter: @ Northwestern (4-19), @ Michigan (5-16), @ IU (6-21), @ Iowa (11-28) and Minnesota (9-28). There's also been some games where we didn't shoot poorly statistically, but our attempts were high - @ Penn State (12-26 - 14 missed shots). Many of these games were also games we lost the rebounding battle.

-Free Throws: We are great at drawing fouls (and not giving up many). This usually leads to a free throw advantage, and also a high number of free throw attempts, which we have a very solid team percentage. When we have not gotten to the line, we have typically struggled: @ Michigan (8 attempts vs. their 11), @ Nebraska (13 attempts vs. their 24). However, we've also lost games that we had ample free throws: @ Iowa (21-25) and Louisville (16-22).

-Physical/athletic big men: When we've faced some more athletic big men, we have struggled some in the interior. Some notable examples: @ Penn State, Michigan, IU (in a weird way) and Iowa to a degree. Obviously Swanigan has a history of becoming turnover prone when pressure is applied - and he is not athletic to guard guys like a Wagner and other perimeter big men. Obviously Haas is only going to be effective when there's someone similar in size, which not all teams have (remember, Arkansas Little Rock used a small/quick lineup to disrupt and cause turnovers).

-Overall defense: While we have definitely improved defensively, we aren't a shut down team by any means. Mathias has done a great job on many of the league's guards, but obviously we could face some more athletic guards that can challenge our dribble penetration defense. We allowed Michigan to shoot 54%, @ Michigan State 52%, Iowa 57% Minnesota 49%. The good news is that most of those were further back in the season - except Michigan.

-Strength of schedule: We haven't had a bad schedule, but we haven't played a number of Top 15 teams as you can do in a "normal" Big Ten year. We had some good experience playing against one of the best teams in the country (Villanova), and a very solid Louisville team. But we haven't been challenged with team/talent like that really since then. We've faced some pretty good teams - Wisconsin, Notre Dame, etc. - but we've also only faced the top 4 Big Ten teams one team each (Maryland, Minnesota and Wisconsin). In both tournaments, everyone is playing do-or-die. And when we leave the Big Ten to play in the NCAAs, we don't know what to expect (I'm not a Big Ten basher and I think overall there's a lot of parity, but I also can see it being bad for the Big Ten).

I think one of the stranger games of Purdue's season was the Penn State game. You don't want to overanalyze one game, but Penn State shot 42%, 11% from 3, they shot 14 free throws - a pretty normal number, we had 17 turnovers - but they had 16, etc.

The 2 stats that jump out - they outrebounded us and they had 10 blocks. They did a great job on Swanigan who only shot 5 times and 2 of those were 3s. Granted, Haas did have a good game himself, but they were one of the few teams that really isolated Swanigan's effectiveness offensively, and with rebounds.

That being said, there's a plethora of things that can come up. I don't think Purdue has been a "shoot itself in the foot" team so much this year, but they've had some bad matchups that got exposed and ran into some hot shooting teams at times too. Looking at our recent games, obviously the Michigan game stands out - which was a combination of a hard matchup for us and they also happened to have a couple hot shooters. So I'd probably say a bad matchup - particularly on the interior that can minimize Swanigan and our interior strength - would be our kryptonite.

These are all good, but one other is:

REFS - refs that let rough interior play go and the other team abuse our guys has not been helpful to the Boilers. I thought in both the Louisville & MN losses they particularly let the bigs foul our guys @ will.
 
This times infinity.
I understand the reason behind this answer, but without looking at specific stats, I think the past 6 games or so, we have had very few TOs, especially if Haas is not included... I know, you can't really do that, but you can if he is not forced to play against phsical big guys. I think we have somewhat passed this issue.
 
These are all good, but one other is:

REFS - refs that let rough interior play go and the other team abuse our guys has not been helpful to the Boilers. I thought in both the Louisville & MN losses they particularly let the bigs foul our guys @ will.
Yes, allowing physical play in the lane will not help us.
 
I understand the reason behind this answer, but without looking at specific stats, I think the past 6 games or so, we have had very few TOs, especially if Haas is not included... I know, you can't really do that, but you can if he is not forced to play against phsical big guys. I think we have somewhat passed this issue.
We are 160th in D1 in turnovers per game (13/game). Over the course of this season I think that has been our single biggest issue. We have done better lately, but still my biggest concern.
 
IMO: the two things most likely to cause an early exit are turnovers and cold outside shooting.

Of those, I worry about the outside shooting more. Purdue is almost impossible to defend when they're knocking down outside shots. Very few teams can effectively contain Biggie and Haas one-on-one for 40 minutes.

But, when the outside shooting goes cold, the defense can pack the lane --- and that leads to turnovers. The guards then start forcing outside shots, which produces long rebounds and run-out possibilities.
 
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Yeah, which is the entire point of this thread. If we have a very uncharacteristic 3 point shooting night - it can put us in a very precarious/tough situation - which is the subject of this thread.
If you do particularly bad at any facet of the game, it can put you in a tough situation.

What, exactly, would you say is the point of this thread?
 
I'll nitpick the complaint about attempting too many 3's and the 12 for 26 as an example. I don't think you'd find many coaches if any in the country who would turn it down if they were told they would hit 12 for 26 attempts every game.
 
We are 160th in D1 in turnovers per game (13/game). Over the course of this season I think that has been our single biggest issue. We have done better lately, but still my biggest concern.
Well, I love stats, that surprises me though ... I would like to see the past six games, but don't have time today. If it is close for the recent games, I will support your choice. Honestly, my choice was physical play in the lane ... which does cause a lot of turnovers, so I will support your choice without need for stats. They are essentially the same.
 
Well, I love stats, that surprises me though ... I would like to see the past six games, but don't have time today. If it is close for the recent games, I will support your choice. Honestly, my choice was physical play in the lane ... which does cause a lot of turnovers, so I will support your choice without need for stats. They are essentially the same.

Last six games:

@NW - 8
Indiana - 10
@Michigan - 11
@Penn State - 17
Michigan State - 10
Rutgers - 14

Total of 70 - 11.67 average.....better, last three games average is under 10. If the Boilers just keep it around 10 or less, that would be great, IMO.
 
We are 160th in D1 in turnovers per game (13/game). Over the course of this season I think that has been our single biggest issue. We have done better lately, but still my biggest concern.

We have done better lately - albeit the Penn State game where we had 17.
 
We can minimize to's to a certain extent but we aren't going to be the same type of team that Painter has had in the past who committed very low amounts and were top 20 or even 10% in the country. Part of this is because we may feed the post more than any other team in the country which means our big men have the ball in their hands more than other teams and obviously they aren't primary ball handlers and are going to commit to's at a higher rate compared with guards. I think Painter is well aware of this and he sees the payoff in easier more efficient baskets and more fouls/fts outweighing the to's.

Of course a team should always attempt to limit the amount and in some games we do a good job. We don't have the slashing guards to draw contact fouls so we rely on the big men. I would say Painter is already adjusting based off the players he is taking and in the next couple seasons I expect to see our to's to drop considerably and be less of a concern. I would say to's that lead directly to points and offensive fouls are the most important ones to avoid.
 
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Last six games:

@NW - 8
Indiana - 10
@Michigan - 11
@Penn State - 17
Michigan State - 10
Rutgers - 14

Total of 70 - 11.67 average.....better, last three games average is under 10. If the Boilers just keep it around 10 or less, that would be great, IMO.
thanks - I owe you some research some day when you are busy. So, the rough play in the lane (PSU) did correlate. I don't recall, did Rutgers play rough in the lane?

Considering Haas had at least three of those 8 vs NW, and PJ/Spike had zero (I think), that is an impressive game for the team.
 
In March, it's all about match-ups, but you can also play into your undoing...

Which do you think will be Purdue's biggest issue, or lead to its downfall, in March? Granted, not all of these are singular issues (i.e. playing athletic big men can lead to poor output/defense by Purdue, but also lead to below average rebounding).

-Turnovers: Purdue has had 11 or fewer turnovers in the last three games, but it has been a red flag in close wins or losses. At Penn State, 17 turnovers. vs. Minnesota, 14 turnovers. vs. Louisville, 17 turnovers. (And I would include "the press" as part of this category as we've already hashed out the press).

-Rebounding: Purdue's a strong rebounding team, but it's had some slip-ups in some tight games, or losses. Purdue's been outrebounded: @ Northwestern, @ Penn State, vs. IU, @ Nebraska, @ Iowa, @ Louisville. Obviously some of these weren't losses, but some tighter games.

-Three point shooting: If we don't shoot the ball well from the perimeter, it allows teams to clog the interior and provide a rebounding advantage. Games we have shot poorly from the perimeter: @ Northwestern (4-19), @ Michigan (5-16), @ IU (6-21), @ Iowa (11-28) and Minnesota (9-28). There's also been some games where we didn't shoot poorly statistically, but our attempts were high - @ Penn State (12-26 - 14 missed shots). Many of these games were also games we lost the rebounding battle.

-Free Throws: We are great at drawing fouls (and not giving up many). This usually leads to a free throw advantage, and also a high number of free throw attempts, which we have a very solid team percentage. When we have not gotten to the line, we have typically struggled: @ Michigan (8 attempts vs. their 11), @ Nebraska (13 attempts vs. their 24). However, we've also lost games that we had ample free throws: @ Iowa (21-25) and Louisville (16-22).

-Physical/athletic big men: When we've faced some more athletic big men, we have struggled some in the interior. Some notable examples: @ Penn State, Michigan, IU (in a weird way) and Iowa to a degree. Obviously Swanigan has a history of becoming turnover prone when pressure is applied - and he is not athletic to guard guys like a Wagner and other perimeter big men. Obviously Haas is only going to be effective when there's someone similar in size, which not all teams have (remember, Arkansas Little Rock used a small/quick lineup to disrupt and cause turnovers).

-Overall defense: While we have definitely improved defensively, we aren't a shut down team by any means. Mathias has done a great job on many of the league's guards, but obviously we could face some more athletic guards that can challenge our dribble penetration defense. We allowed Michigan to shoot 54%, @ Michigan State 52%, Iowa 57% Minnesota 49%. The good news is that most of those were further back in the season - except Michigan.

-Strength of schedule: We haven't had a bad schedule, but we haven't played a number of Top 15 teams as you can do in a "normal" Big Ten year. We had some good experience playing against one of the best teams in the country (Villanova), and a very solid Louisville team. But we haven't been challenged with team/talent like that really since then. We've faced some pretty good teams - Wisconsin, Notre Dame, etc. - but we've also only faced the top 4 Big Ten teams one team each (Maryland, Minnesota and Wisconsin). In both tournaments, everyone is playing do-or-die. And when we leave the Big Ten to play in the NCAAs, we don't know what to expect (I'm not a Big Ten basher and I think overall there's a lot of parity, but I also can see it being bad for the Big Ten).

I think one of the stranger games of Purdue's season was the Penn State game. You don't want to overanalyze one game, but Penn State shot 42%, 11% from 3, they shot 14 free throws - a pretty normal number, we had 17 turnovers - but they had 16, etc.

The 2 stats that jump out - they outrebounded us and they had 10 blocks. They did a great job on Swanigan who only shot 5 times and 2 of those were 3s. Granted, Haas did have a good game himself, but they were one of the few teams that really isolated Swanigan's effectiveness offensively, and with rebounds.

That being said, there's a plethora of things that can come up. I don't think Purdue has been a "shoot itself in the foot" team so much this year, but they've had some bad matchups that got exposed and ran into some hot shooting teams at times too. Looking at our recent games, obviously the Michigan game stands out - which was a combination of a hard matchup for us and they also happened to have a couple hot shooters. So I'd probably say a bad matchup - particularly on the interior that can minimize Swanigan and our interior strength - would be our kryptonite.

I'm confused. You present possible challenges but pretty much refute your own suggestions by showing that we've overcome each multiple times.

The reality with this team is that it is versatile enough and doesn't have any big warts that if one facet isn't working, it can shift and overcome. Obviously at some point, that won't happen but I don't think it's because Purdue necessarily vulnerable in any specific area.
 
Couldn't you apply your list to literally any team in the country? Seems you just made a generic list to try and bring up Purdue failing.

I was about to ask with all that being wrong with us what if anything he thought we did well?
 
thanks - I owe you some research some day when you are busy. So, the rough play in the lane (PSU) did correlate. I don't recall, did Rutgers play rough in the lane?

Considering Haas had at least three of those 8 vs NW, and PJ/Spike had zero (I think), that is an impressive game for the team.

No problem DDD. Rutgers, IIRC, played Purdue more straight up....hence IH had an excellent game....24-11-1 with just one turnover. CS had 12-17-2 with just one turnover. The turnovers came mainly from the back-court....DM and CE had three each and Luce chipped in with two.

I also think the NW win has gone a little under the radar...outside of the long-range shooting from both teams in the second half, that was a well-played game....a good road win for the Boilers. The defense has its limitations, but it's improved over the course of the season.....will it be enough?
 
No problem DDD. Rutgers, IIRC, played Purdue more straight up....hence IH had an excellent game....24-11-1 with just one turnover. CS had 12-17-2 with just one turnover. The turnovers came mainly from the back-court....DM and CE had three each and Luce chipped in with two.

I also think the NW win has gone a little under the radar...outside of the long-range shooting from both teams in the second half, that was a well-played game....a good road win for the Boilers. The defense has its limitations, but it's improved over the course of the season.....will it be enough?
I thought NW was a very well played game...got a little physical that hurt the fg% inside, but Purdue and NW played well enough to beat a lot of teams
 
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These are all good, but one other is:

REFS - refs that let rough interior play go and the other team abuse our guys has not been helpful to the Boilers. I thought in both the Louisville & MN losses they particularly let the bigs foul our guys @ will.

Purdue needs to play through the no-call fouls in tournament play, especially if it's at the end of a tight game. They should expect the officials to swallow the whistle in those instances and keep playing if there's a loose ball or rebound up for grabs do to a no-call foul.
 
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No problem DDD. Rutgers, IIRC, played Purdue more straight up....hence IH had an excellent game....24-11-1 with just one turnover. CS had 12-17-2 with just one turnover. The turnovers came mainly from the back-court....DM and CE had three each and Luce chipped in with two.

I also think the NW win has gone a little under the radar...outside of the long-range shooting from both teams in the second half, that was a well-played game....a good road win for the Boilers. The defense has its limitations, but it's improved over the course of the season.....will it be enough?
I thought NW was a very well played game...got a little physical that hurt the fg% inside, but Purdue and NW played well enough to beat a lot of teams
I thought so too. It was one of those games that the losing team should not feel horrible about. Enjoyed watching it and respect NW a lot for how they played it.
 
How is it a generic list when I applied every single one to games that Purdue struggled and lost?

For example, not shooting enough free throws - I mean that's one of our biggest strengths in terms of shooting percentage and going to the line a lot - that's a significant thing for us. Saying "free throws" and hoping we shoot a higher percentage than our average is a generic statement that can be applied to every team. But not every team has a one of the nation's best FT percentages and also gets to the line a significant amount (and doesn't foul a lot).

Also, 3 point shooting. We're the best in the Big Ten. Saying well hopefully we shoot at or better than our average - that's a generic thing that can be applied to anyone. But it's one of Purdue's biggest strengths on the season. So an off game is a significant change in our game. If we shot 32% on the season and averaged 10 attempts, being +/- 15% is not a dramatic difference in your game. We shoot 40% on the season and a 15% difference is a big deal when you average 23 attempts a game.
I think what west is saying is that most of your list can be applied to any team and it would also be their Kryptonite.
I see our green crystalline daggers as the following which you did also touch upon:
Long athletic bigs on defense like Michigan, Penn State, and especially Louisville.
4's and 5's with a three point shot, driving ability, and sufficient length to score inside.
 
I was about to ask with all that being wrong with us what if anything he thought we did well?

Good lord people. I'm not saying we suck at all of those things. Free throws we are one of the best in the country - but the just couple of games where we haven't gotten to the line (which we've lost/barely won those games....). It's a very positive trait of Purdue - but if it slips, even for one game, it can be an issue. The NCAA Tournament is a wild card, you don't really know how they're going to call games. We've adjusted very well to the rules though, particularly on the defensive end.

Last year, turnovers were a big problem through a lot of the season and they were the kryptonite in the tournament - we gave up like 25 points off turnovers.

This is a thread while we wait for a week to play a game, don't take it so flipping serious.
 
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