There's really no back and forth. You're making statements that don't make sense and I'm pointing that out. You're probably new to posting here, I'll cut you some slack and let it go.
Just for fun....had Painter used the portal..
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Heide at the 4 as well. So TKR, Burgess, DJ and Heide. Where does the 6’10 transfer get mins?
If everyone is back, I just don’t see how one of the top 50 guys get any significant PT. Maybe they are ok with playing 5-15 min/game and competing for a national championship. Ah or maybe they are a bit outside that top 50 but can have multiple years left and play a little next year and then have more of a role then following. Sorry wasn’t thinking like that 😂
Sometimes you can make bad cultural fits work. I mean Jaden Over didn't exactly fit the Purdue culture but he was pretty freaking good. Coleman is and was cheeks.
Great point, I agree 100%. You could say the same with Carsen Edwards. The juice has to be worth the squeeze. I don't think Coleman is a bad player or a bad kid, but he's not a great fit and isn't in the same stratosphere as JI or Carsen as a player. Add to that the fact that he's a one-year guy at a time when MP is clearly looking to build towards next year and it wouldn't have made sense.
Was going to say the same regarding Heide. I want to know where all these athletic 6'10" guys who can rebound, defend, shoot from the outside and would jump at the chance to play at Purdue are hanging out.
A healthy Jacobsen and most of us aren't second guessing Painter on the Portal for this year or next.
He would have complimented the Big 3 well and most teams would have avoided the lane, making our Defense look much better. Colvin, Cox, Harris, Heide, TKR and Smith are all plus athletes. Colvin and Harris are beginning to show they can drive to the basket when necessary. This team will continue to improve and be a tough out in March. Baylor's NC Team's top 4 scorers were 6'2", 6'3", 6'3", and 6'4". Leading rebounder was 6'5". I think are guards/wings are big enough....
He would have complimented the Big 3 well and most teams would have avoided the lane, making our Defense look much better. Colvin, Cox, Harris, Heide, TKR and Smith are all plus athletes. Colvin and Harris are beginning to show they can drive to the basket when necessary. This team will continue to improve and be a tough out in March. Baylor's NC Team's top 4 scorers were 6'2", 6'3", 6'3", and 6'4". Leading rebounder was 6'5". I think are guards/wings are big enough....
Lotta big boys in the big ten this year…we will be the smaller team now 😂
Houston has gone with a “small” lineup and have been pretty damn good but their defense is crazy. Wish we coulda seen them
In the F4 to see how Sampson would have guarded Zach with his tallest two guys being 6’8 last year and one got injured. shead and cryer vs smith and Loyer woulda been interesting as well.
Neither played much defense, at least not consistently. I'm not sure either were big 'detail' guys. Painter gave both a lot of leeway.
On the flip side, both had incredible work ethics. Probably better to say that they were unconventional fits for Purdue.
I guess I get what you mean but not sure I fully agree (and not sayin you’re wrong). Both weren’t ranked that high (not that it matters) and not offered by the high major players (tbh can’t 100% remember) but painter found their talent. Both had chips on their shoulder. I think one could argue Myles wasn’t that type then either…didn’t play much defense in HS…but thankfully has now bought in.
As you know, I’m wrong all the time. Myles is a great comparison. I’m not saying he’s near the talent they were but Jaden and Carsen would have benefited, IMO, from being forced to rebound and defend the way that Myles has in order to get on the court.
Also probably not a guy who ends up at Purdue if he’s not 1) extremely talented and 2) a Purdue legacy
Yeah looking at rankings, he was higher than those two (again not that it matters). But he isn’t as good as those two YET. He also came into a different situation than those two. I’m a Myles defender (as you know 😂). But I understand your view point.
Fingers crossed brother. If Myles becomes near the player that those two were this will be an exciting couple of seasons.
Edwards had a crazy work ethic. I think Ivey was just incredibly gifted. He tended to take some plays off here and there as well. But man... Any space at all and he was dunking on someone. If he would have committed more to the game, maybe Purdue goes to the Elite 8 or F4 that year. At the same time, I'm not sure Painter knew how to use him. It isn't that Painter hasn't ever coached great guards. E'Twaun Moore was awesome. Edwards was awesome. Ivey was a completely different level, a reason he went Top 5 in the draft. Ivey also could have used a better point guard like Smith.
I'm not sure what Edwards was like but you could kinda tell Ivey was different among everyone else at Purdue and much different than anyone Painter has ever had and may have at Purdue.
Yeah, if you think that JI didn’t have a similar work ethic you’re probably an IU fan posting on a Purdue board 😉 Kid worked like crazy but had some immaturity issues that showed up pretty frequently. Definitely a different level athlete than anyone Painter has had but spotty outside shot and no mid-range game to speak of. Tended to melt down when things didn’t go his way.
Edwards didn’t have maturity issues but was definitely his own kind of dude, not a typical Purdue guy. Never really applied himself to play defense or facilitate for others because he didn’t have to but an elite, elite scorer.
I don't think Painter wants to play Heide at the 4. But even if, I don't think 4 interior players qualifies as overloaded.
At Penn state last year, went for a layup thought he got fouled. Not called. Stayed on that end to complain to refs, Penn state has 5 on 4 and scored. Lots of other times he did this in other games.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d take him in a heart beat
here’s who will be in play for mins next year 1-3 then:
Smith, Cox, West (maybe RS?), Loyer, Colvin, Harris, Benter….and then Heide in there is what you’re thinkin?
I'm sorry but that's not something I'm going to label the dude as selfish over. Smith has gotten a little silly arguing calls before but no one is going to remote characterize him as selfish.
To each their own. But smith isn’t leaving his team in 4 on 5 situations.
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I mean again you've got Heide, TKR, Jacobson and Burgess. That's it at the 4/5. And Burgess doesn't seem capable of double digit minutes right now.
I don't think Burgess or Heide is averaging 20+ minutes at the 4. Jacobsen at the 5 means some of those minutes at the 4 go to TKR, possibly a decent chunk. I don't think Burgess is your back up 5.
Painter clearly wants a lineup with Jacobsen at the 5. That means TKR at the 4 some, and then at the 5 some.
So I think there's at least 10-15 minutes available minimum for a senior or grad big man.
Where the real logjam is, is at 1-3 IMO. So if we are going to bring someone in, I don't think it's at point guard or shooting guard, we have two deep at each position as you've noted.
Put another way, we've lost one big man this season and we are looking mighty thin inside after TKR and Heide. Does that strike you as a position we are overloaded at?
So barring injury, to me, IF we bring someone in, and obviously that's the whole point of this hypothetical discussion, ifs, then the most likely spot isn't at 1-3 positions.
So one play where he got upset with a call means he's selfish? Yeah you're right to each their own.
No other instances too from watching their games a lot last year. But again, I’d still want him on the team
I mean yeah, the same place he's playing when Jacobsen comes back. He's not starting at the 4 then.
So mins breakdown would be something like:
1 - Smith 33, Cox 7, (West RS)
2 - Loyer 25, Gicarri 10, Colvin 2-5, Benter 0-3
3 - Colvin 20, Heide 15-20, Gicarri 0-5
4 - TKR 25-30, Transfer 10-15, Heide 0-5
5 - DJ 20-25, Burgess 10-15, Berg 0-5
I think Berg closer to 0 most games. I'm not sure about Burgess at 10-15 either. A transfer could take those minutes and give Burgess more time to develop. Burgess could even redshirt although I know Painter leaves it up to the player to decide that and he may not (or he could blow up his soph year).
My larger point is IF we get a transfer, where are the minutes available for him at the 1-3? Colvin and Heide are still going to get minutes at the 3. Benter, Harris, Cox, Loyer, Smith, Colvin and Heide all are going to command minutes mostly 1-3, even if Heide gets some minutes at the 4. A versatile 4/5 player fits in there the best IMO both needswise and minuteswise.
My thought as theoretical GM of Purdue basketball for next year would be to look for rim protecting, 3-point shooting 5's in the transfer portal as insurance in case DJ isn't ready, Berg still hasn't made the leap and Burgess needs another year. Seems like I have guys I need at every other position assuming TKR returns on the roster next year except potentially the 5 spot. Now of course getting a rim protecting 5 who can shoot 3's is a tall ask (pun intended) as would have to open up the NIL coffers to out compete other schools but would still survey the market to try to ultimately maximize the big 3's last year as much as possible. With all that being said, I think the guys we have at the 5 spot all will make another jump next year but insurance never hurts.
I think that’s the right scenario, i.e. if DJ’s full recovery isn’t certain and/or RB isn’t showing that he can be that guy. I’m pretty confident MP will know those things by March.
Obviously Heide is out of luck when one of the athletic 6’10” mid-major players who can rebound, defend and shoot from the outside comes on board. I heard from a source that there are a number of those guys who would jump at the chance to play for Purdue.
Zero chance that Cox and Harris combine for 17 mpg next season, which I think is your point.
And they for sure would want to come to Purdue, play only 10-15 min and come off the bench and not be the featured scorer with those skills.
If this DOES happen, I will gladly eat crow.
Edwards was kind of a Jimmer. It isn't that Ivey didn't have a high work ethic, but it wasn't where it should have been and that may have just been because he was already good. I do wonder about his passion for the game. And it can be said for most guys. I know DeMar DeRozan and JJ Redick and some others have said 75-80% of dudes in the NBA have no passion for love for the game. They are just good and get paid. So I wonder what that number is in college. And there were times where it was either Iveys underwhelming passion or just that immaturity that took him out of games and made him lose focus. And sometimes it looked like he was almost bored if that makes sense.
I know it COULD happen, but I’m pretty sure RB is not going to RS next year. He has all the tools to be great for us. The game is a bit fast right now, but with this season plus the offseason with Paint and staff training him, along with gaining 15-25 lbs of muscle, he should be easily ready to produce at the 10-15 min if not more. Him and DJ in two years at the 4 and 5 will be tough for any team to go against.
If Heide isn’t playing the 4, I’m not sure what the mins breakdown would be at the 3 between Harris, Heide and Colvin and even Cox too.
