Purdue vs. Michigan overview

[nagemj02]

When: Tuesday, January 9th

Where: Crisler Center, Ann Arbor, MI

Tip: 9 (ET) (approx.)

TV: ESPN


Head Coaches:

Purdue: Matt Painter (13th season)

Michigan: John Beilein (11th season)



Projected Starters:

Purdue

1/2 #3 Carsen Edwards 6'0 190 So.

1/2 #11 P.J. Thompson 5'10 180 Sr.

2/1 #31 Dakota Mathias 6'4 195 Sr.

3/4 #12 Vince Edwards 6'8 215 Sr.

5 #44 Isaac Haas 7'2 280 Sr.


Michigan

1/2 #3 Zavier (I guess it's no longer "Xavier") Simpson 6'0 185 So.: averaging 5.1 PPG, 2.1 RPG, 1.4 SPG, 3.3 APG, 53% FG's (33-62), 53% FT's (10-19), 41% 3PT's (11-27), and 19.7 MPG in 17 GP this season

2/1 #12 Muhammad-Ali Abdur-Rahkman 6'4 190 Sr.: averaging 11 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 3.5 APG, 43% FG's (66-155), 90% FT's (27-30), 38% 3PT's (28-74), and 34 MPG in 17 GP this season

2/3 #1 Charles Matthews 6'6 200 So. (transfer from Kentucky): averaging 15.6 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 2.9 APG, 2 TPG, 57% FG's (106-187), 54% FT's (36-67), 35% 3PT's (18-51), and 28.7 MPG in 17 GP this season

4/3 #22 Duncan Robinson 6'8 215 Sr.: averaging 10.2 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 43% FG's (59-138), 91% FT's (20-22), 36% 3PT's (36-99), and 26.7 MPG in 17 GP this season

5/4 #13 Moritz "Mo" Wagner 6'11 245 Jr.: averaging 14.1 PPG, 7.2 RPG, 56% FG's (85-153), 67% FT's (22-33), 39% 3PT's (20-52), and 25.9 MPG in 15 GP this season



Projected Reinforcements:

Purdue

1 #20 Nojel Eastern 6'6 210 Fr.

2 #14 Ryan Cline 6'5 190 So.

4 #24 Grady Eifert 6'7 220 Jr.

5/4 #32 Matt Haarms 7'3 235 RS Fr.

5/4 #23 Jacquil Taylor 6'10 240 RS Jr.


Michigan

1 #5 Jaaron Simmons 6'1 185 RS Sr. (graduate transfer from Ohio U.): averaging 1.1 PPG, 0.7 RPG, 16% FG's (3-19), 62% FT's (8-13), 29% 3PT's (2-7), and 8.9 MPG in 14 GP this season

1/2 #55 Eli Brooks 6'0 170 Fr.: averaging 3.1 PPG, 1.5 RPG, 32% FG's (17-54), 67% FT's (8-12), 28% 3PT's (10-36), and 14.8 MPG in 17 GP this season

2/1 #2 Jordan Poole 6'4 190 Fr.: averaging 6.4 PPG, 0.9 RPG, 49% FG's (32-66), 74% FT's (14-19), 41% 3PT's (18-44), and 10.3 MPG in 15 GP this season

2/3 #23 Ibi Watson 6'5 200 So.: averaging 2.9 PPG, 0.6 RPG, 43% FG's (17-40), 60% (3-5), 39% 3PT's (9-23), and 6.3 MPG in 16 GP this season

4/3 #4 Isaiah Livers 6'7 230 Fr.: averaging 4.1 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 52% FG's (29-56), 33% FT's (1-3), 41% 3PT's (11-27), and 13.4 MPG in 17 GP this season

5 #15 Jon Teske 7'0 250 So.: averaging 4.3 PPG, 3.9 RPG, 57% FG's (29-51), 52% FT's (15-29), 0% 3PT's (0-1), and 14.3 MPG in 17 GP this season

 

[New Pal Boiler]

When: Tuesday, January 9th

Where: Crisler Center, Ann Arbor, MI

Tip: 9 (ET) (approx.)

TV: ESPN


Head Coaches:

Purdue: Matt Painter (13th season)

Michigan: John Beilein (11th season)



Projected Starters:

Purdue

1/2 #3 Carsen Edwards 6'0 190 So.

1/2 #11 P.J. Thompson 5'10 180 Sr.

2/1 #31 Dakota Mathias 6'4 195 Sr.

3/4 #12 Vince Edwards 6'8 215 Sr.

5 #44 Isaac Haas 7'2 280 Sr.


Michigan

(tbc...)

You know you’re getting old when you start wincing at 9 pm tip offs.

 

[Do Dah Day]

You know you’re getting old when you start wincing at 9 pm tip offs.

Arizona in the winter ... it'll only be 7:00 ... will still end past my bedtime!

Oh, and NFL at 10am before the time change, 11 afterward ... wonderfulness

 

[nagemj02]

Does anyone believe that Haarms should get the bulk of the minutes over Haas, in terms of guarding Wagner?

 

[SIBoiler2]

8 PM here in S. IL and I don't have to get up for work so late is relative.

 

[Do Dah Day]

8 PM here in S. IL and I don't have to get up for work so late is relative.

well, that too ... what day of the week is today? I keep losing track.

 

[TX4GB]

 

[mathboy]

Does anyone believe that Haarms should get the bulk of the minutes over Haas, in terms of guarding Wagner?

No

 

[SIBoiler2]

well, that too ... what day of the week is today? I keep losing track.

Must be Sunday. All the people that I'm with that have jobs are depressed acting.

 

[Do Dah Day]

Must be Sunday. All the people that I'm with that have jobs are depressed acting.

Haha ... touche' ....

 

[Dakota Girl]

Does anyone believe that Haarms should get the bulk of the minutes over Haas, in terms of guarding Wagner?

I think you start with Haas. If he is creating foul trouble for Wagner, that’s good.
If he is even in what he scores vs what he gives up, that’s OK.
If Wagner is getting the advantage, more Haarms.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

1/2 #3 Zavier (I guess it's no longer "Xavier") Simpson 6'0 185 So.

There is an article out there talking about it. His legal name is spelled with a Z.

He got the X moniker from an AAU coach who said he was a X factor.

 

[tjreese]

I think you start with Haas. If he is creating foul trouble for Wagner, that’s good.
If he is even in what he scores vs what he gives up, that’s OK.
If Wagner is getting the advantage, more Haarms.

I haven't got to watch Michigan, but very familiar with Rahkman, Duncan and Wagner...and a bit with Simpson. "IF" Michigan does not have 5 that will play together out on the court...Haas can guard the one that is not a threat out on the court as needed. Last year Michigan had 2 bigs that could go out on the court AND play inside and THAT was a problem. If Michigan has two like that..it is still a problem, but if not....Purdue should be better defending Michigan

 

[IndySouthsider]

Does anyone believe that Haarms should get the bulk of the minutes over Haas, in terms of guarding Wagner?

No

 

[blockm2]

Last year Michigan had 2 bigs that could go out on the court AND play inside and THAT was a problem.

Realistically the only player in Michigan's rotation that Haas is likely to be successful guarding is backup C Jon Teske. While he's got about 15-18 foot range on his jumper, he isn't a 3 point threat. The 2 options at PF this year, Duncan Robinson and Isaiah Livers, are both good shooters that will take him outside if they opt to try to hide Haas like they did last year on DJ Wilson.

 

[mathboy]

I have a bad feeling about this game. UM is a good team at home. We could lead by 3 at half, but miss some bunnies, then miss a few 3-pt attempts. Then we turn the ball over. Suddenly we are behind by 10 points and can’t catch a hot shooting Michigan. We might beat them 7/10 games, but this could be one of the 3 we lose.

We are about due. These are kids playing out there, and they can get complacent. We have seen any number of top ranked teams fall in the same way this year. It doesn’t mean Purdue is doomed. It doesn’t mean we are “settlers”. It doesn’t mean that there is any real ceiling on any part of this team. It just means we can still lose any game we are not prepared to play.

 

[IndySouthsider]

I have a bad feeling about this game. UM is a good team at home. We could lead by 3 at half, but miss some bunnies, then miss a few 3-pt attempts. Then we turn the ball over. Suddenly we are behind by 10 points and can’t catch a hot shooting Michigan. We might beat them 7/10 games, but this could be one of the 3 we lose.

We are about due. These are kids playing out there, and they can get complacent. We have seen any number of top ranked teams fall in the same way this year. It doesn’t mean Purdue is doomed. It doesn’t mean we are “settlers”. It doesn’t mean that there is any real ceiling on any part of this team. It just means we can still lose any game we are not prepared to play.

This is where you like having 4 seniors on the floor. I bet this is a game where they put in extra minutes in the floor.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

we can't lose this game. I feel like we always get beat lately by michigan at killer times. cmon seniors! take control of your destiny!

 

[mryankee2397]

we can beat anyone in the big ten if we play like we are capable of playing. we cant come out like we did in the second half of the nebraska game and play poorly at both ends. we finally settled down and put the game away but not after they reduced the lead to 7. that game should never have been close but poor shot selection,poor defense and a bit of bad luck on mathias's shots kept it close. hope we come out ready to play against michigan and the rest of the league.

 

[tjreese]

Realistically the only player in Michigan's rotation that Haas is likely to be successful guarding is backup C Jon Teske. While he's got about 15-18 foot range on his jumper, he isn't a 3 point threat. The 2 options at PF this year, Duncan Robinson and Isaiah Livers, are both good shooters that will take him outside if they opt to try to hide Haas like they did last year on DJ Wilson.

Again, I haven't watched Michigan but seem to recall Duncan much more of a perimeter player than Wilson or Moe that can play out there AND take it inside. I imagine Purdue can play smaller on him. I don't know the other guy, but my biggest concern is a player that is big and can play inside and out. If he is one dimensional...Purdue has a better chance of flipping the advantage with strong inside play. Last year Michigan could burn you outside with their bigs...and then put it on the floor when needed. On D both of their bigs had enough length and athleticism that they caused Purdue problems inside as well

 

[typeviic]

Last year against Meat-Chicken, the reason for losing to them was that "we dont match up with them well". Is that still the case?

 

[Treed1967]

I have a bad feeling about this game. UM is a good team at home. We could lead by 3 at half, but miss some bunnies, then miss a few 3-pt attempts. Then we turn the ball over. Suddenly we are behind by 10 points and can’t catch a hot shooting Michigan. We might beat them 7/10 games, but this could be one of the 3 we lose.

We are about due. These are kids playing out there, and they can get complacent. We have seen any number of top ranked teams fall in the same way this year. It doesn’t mean Purdue is doomed. It doesn’t mean we are “settlers”. It doesn’t mean that there is any real ceiling on any part of this team. It just means we can still lose any game we are not prepared to play.

I no with teams loosing these past few days may scare you a bit I can see that, but let me hopefully clear your mind some. Last year we lost to a team who who had just hit its peak at the right time, was put in a scary situation when their plane had some malfunction but thank god they made it to their destination safely and was playing off those emotions knowing the scary event the whole team went through. Also Walton, the basket ther guard was playing out of their minds. So by time purdue was to play them with all they had went through they were on a winning streak with emotions high and DJ Wilson had his best game just that day b4 that he was just ok. Wagner played well that game as well. Fast forward to this season they lost those 3 players yes gained some good freshman but purdue brought back all 6 of their top scorers a red shirt freshman that many of you wrote off and a very good bench what that spells a very good well balanced shooting and defensive team. We were not as good in ball screens we are now this team. They switch on every screen bcuz they have the personal to do so with this current roster. 5 players can shoot lights out 7”2 and 7”3 will cause problems for 1 7”0 footer. This team is far more experienced and balanced than last year. Michigan like to spread the floor to get penetration to kick out to their shooters of which we as a team work switch on all screens and be able to stay with their man. This team is a top 10 defensive team for a reason they all seem to me take pride in defending so I have faith they will come out Tuesday night and play like the team we all have been watching play. What I’m saying purdue will be ready follow the scouting report and play like they no how to play. They take every game as if it a Ncaa Tournament game playing like it’s their last game but also playing with confidence in themselves. This is a complete team with so many weapons that Michigan gonna have to be ready for them as well. This team don’t take any team for granted they take every opponent they face to heart and try to best be prepared bcuz teams when they see that number next to their name every opponent will give purdue all they got. I just feel they will come to play and be very well prepared to battle a very talented Michigan team.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Last year against Meat-Chicken, the reason for losing to them was that "we dont match up with them well". Is that still the case?

I don't know. We just don't guard good pick and roll well with Haas. He's better this year but it's still going to be an issue. In UM's 3 losses they shot under 30% from 3. I think it's critical to run them off the line. Use our fouls if necessary rather than giving up open 3's in rotation.

 

[02Boilermaker]

The two longest winning streaks in the B1G are on the line. We know Purdue's. Michigan's includes 2 B1G wins, vs UCLA, and @Texas.

The Wolverines are undefeated at home (9-0). Purdue has 4 wins away from home vs RPI Top50 teams.

As discussed ad nauseam already, Wagner vs Haas is a clash of styles.

It sets up as a very intriguing game, and it would be a great win for our guys if they can come out on top.

 

[boilerzz]

Does anyone believe that Haarms should get the bulk of the minutes over Haas, in terms of guarding Wagner?

Nope

 

[tjreese]

I no with teams loosing these past few days may scare you a bit I can see that, but let me hopefully clear your mind some. Last year we lost to a team who who had just hit its peak at the right time, was put in a scary situation when their plane had some malfunction but thank god they made it to their destination safely and was playing off those emotions knowing the scary event the whole team went through. Also Walton, the basket ther guard was playing out of their minds. So by time purdue was to play them with all they had went through they were on a winning streak with emotions high and DJ Wilson had his best game just that day b4 that he was just ok. Wagner played well that game as well. Fast forward to this season they lost those 3 players yes gained some good freshman but purdue brought back all 6 of their top scorers a red shirt freshman that many of you wrote off and a very good bench what that spells a very good well balanced shooting and defensive team. We were not as good in ball screens we are now this team. They switch on every screen bcuz they have the personal to do so with this current roster. 5 players can shoot lights out 7”2 and 7”3 will cause problems for 1 7”0 footer. This team is far more experienced and balanced than last year. Michigan like to spread the floor to get penetration to kick out to their shooters of which we as a team work switch on all screens and be able to stay with their man. This team is a top 10 defensive team for a reason they all seem to me take pride in defending so I have faith they will come out Tuesday night and play like the team we all have been watching play. What I’m saying purdue will be ready follow the scouting report and play like they no how to play. They take every game as if it a Ncaa Tournament game playing like it’s their last game but also playing with confidence in themselves. This is a complete team with so many weapons that Michigan gonna have to be ready for them as well. This team don’t take any team for granted they take every opponent they face to heart and try to best be prepared bcuz teams when they see that number next to their name every opponent will give purdue all they got. I just feel they will come to play and be very well prepared to battle a very talented Michigan team.

pretty accurate I think. One concern I have and it has been a concern for a while. Nebraska took advantage of it and others will as well. Nebraska in one very obvious time went to a two man game on the weak side of the court (weak as in player count, not where the ball is…some use different verbiage) with a forward and a threatening to hit a perimeter jump shot guard. Purdue switched as usual and since Nebraska ran this with only two players on that side of the lane…the help was not as close. The guard occupied the switch player from (big..vince or haarms I believe) Purdue and since they were more isolated, Nebraska’s big went to low post with PJ guarding him and nobody to switch back with close enough to do it quickly. This has happened a few times the last few years, but rarely taken advantage of because many times the opposing team does NOT isolate the two man game and prevent the switch back due to the other three having enough spacing to be scoring threats. This is mostly a concern in a last second ball game not previously ran. It will be interesting to see if this plays out. One omission from last year and an adjustment Matt made was for Biggie to guard Walton a bit to keep him on O and sag him a bit to help on the Michigan bigs with drives and board work. I can’t recall if that was at Michigan or in the tourney…but of course Walton really got it going in the tourney.

If Purdue plays a good game…doesn’t even have to be great…Purdue wins at Michigan. I expect a focused Purdue team with returnees remembering what happened last year.

 

[Treed1967]

pretty accurate I think. One concern I have and it has been a concern for a while. Nebraska took advantage of it and others will as well. Nebraska in one very obvious time went to a two man game on the weak side of the court (weak as in player count, not where the ball is…some use different verbiage) with a forward and a threatening to hit a perimeter jump shot guard. Purdue switched as usual and since Nebraska ran this with only two players on that side of the lane…the help was not as close. The guard occupied the switch player from (big..vince or haarms I believe) Purdue and since they were more isolated, Nebraska’s big when to low post with PJ guarding him and nobody to switch back with close enough to do it quickly. This has happened a few times the last few years, but rarely taken advantage of because many times the opposing team does NOT isolate the two man game and prevent the switch back due to the other three having enough spacing to be scoring threats. This is mostly a concern in a last second ball game not previously ran. It will be interesting to see if this plays out. One omission from last year and an adjustment Matt made was for Biggie to guard Walton a bit to keep him on O and sag him a bit to help on the Michigan bigs with drives and board work. I can’t recall if that was at Michigan or in the tourney…but of course Walton really got it going in the tourney.

If Purdue plays a good game…doesn’t even have to be great…Purdue wins at Michigan. I expect a focused Purdue team with returnees remembering what happened last year.

Nebraska a far more athletic team than Michigan I watched game against Illinois and Illinois lost that game bcuz they got Careless with the ball and not the greatest shooting team. Not many of their players can go iso on us that’s not their game not this team anyway. That issue I’m sure was addressed in practice and I keep saying this team is truly good 1 on 1 man to man and good team defense so we should be better in that area moving forward. This team really is a complete team with so many weapons offensively and defensively so Michigan gotta be ready as well.

 

[tjreese]

Nebraska a far more athletic team than Michigan I watched game against Illinois and Illinois lost that game bcuz they got Careless with the ball and not the greatest shooting team. Not many of their players can go iso on us that’s not their game not this team anyway. That issue I’m sure was addressed in practice and I keep saying this team is truly good 1 on 1 man to man and good team defense so we should be better in that area moving forward. This team really is a complete team with so many weapons offensively and defensively so Michigan gotta be ready as well.

Oh I agree with all that. Nebraska is more one on one. I do worry about a close game sometime...and another team does isolate PJ down low defending a big. It does take a special team to not allow a switch back and to accomplish that, but it is something I have in the back of my mind as a "potential problem" that you roll the dice happening in trying to keep players in front of you to prevent driving the ball and hitting the jump shot. If a team can't do that to Purdue...no problem for Purdue as you say...

 

[Do Dah Day]

Oh I agree with all that. Nebraska is more one on one. I do worry about a close game sometime...and another team does isolate PJ down low defending a big. It does take a special team to not allow a switch back and to accomplish that, but it is something I have in the back of my mind as a "potential problem" that you roll the dice happening in trying to keep players in front of you to prevent driving the ball and hitting the jump shot. If a team can't do that to Purdue...no problem for Purdue as you say...

At times like this, the Belichek philosophy comes to mind for us on D - "Stop their biggest weapon, and let them beat us with something less." I know basketball offers MANY more scoring options on the same play than football, but I still like the idea.

MD used the same spread with weak side P&R against us two years ago with Stone driving the strong side baseline ... He hit a bunch of them as our low D moved to take the driver.

 

[blockm2]

Again, I haven't watched Michigan but seem to recall Duncan much more of a perimeter player than Wilson or Moe that can play out there AND take it inside. I imagine Purdue can play smaller on him. I don't know the other guy, but my biggest concern is a player that is big and can play inside and out. If he is one dimensional...Purdue has a better chance of flipping the advantage with strong inside play. Last year Michigan could burn you outside with their bigs...and then put it on the floor when needed. On D both of their bigs had enough length and athleticism that they caused Purdue problems inside as well

Yes, Duncan Robinson is a perimeter player who only occasionally puts the ball on the floor and goes inside.

My point is that of everyone Michigan is likely to play, Teske is the only player Haas can confidently guard IMHO. Last season when Wagner was burning Haas, they elected to put Edwards on Wagner and try to "hide" Haas on DJ Wilson playing the 4. Michigan then flipped the offense and had Wilson set the screens in the high pick and roll and Haas couldn't keep up.

So if Wagner is on the floor at the 5 with Haas, there still isn't anyone Haas can guard. They can either stick him on Wagner which is a mismatch or they can put him on some other perimeter player.

If Teske is on the floor, he and Haas are a much more traditional big matchup. Haas will be much better guarding him than Wagner, but Teske will be much better guarding Haas than Wagner.

 

[tjreese]

Yes, Duncan Robinson is a perimeter player who only occasionally puts the ball on the floor and goes inside.

My point is that of everyone Michigan is likely to play, Teske is the only player Haas can confidently guard IMHO. Last season when Wagner was burning Haas, they elected to put Edwards on Wagner and try to "hide" Haas on DJ Wilson playing the 4. Michigan then flipped the offense and had Wilson set the screens in the high pick and roll and Haas couldn't keep up.

So if Wagner is on the floor at the 5 with Haas, there still isn't anyone Haas can guard. They can either stick him on Wagner which is a mismatch or they can put him on some other perimeter player.

If Teske is on the floor, he and Haas are a much more traditional big matchup. Haas will be much better guarding him than Wagner, but Teske will be much better guarding Haas than Wagner.

Yes, if Wagner is hitting more than Haas is contributing and Michigan does have all players on the court that demands Haas to go out...it will be a huge problem. There are a couple of "ifs" in there and Purdue (Haas has a say in how effective he is on O and D. We shall see, but losing Wilson I suspect makes Wagner much more vulnerable

 

[blockm2]

We shall see, but losing Wilson I suspect makes Wagner much more vulnerable

I guess my point is that while Wilson was a heck of a talent and missing him hurts the team overall, missing him does nothing to help Haas defend more effectively since there is still nobody he can cover.

Where Wilson was more effective in this matchup was giving Michigan a 2nd big on the court at a time that could try to defend Haas.

 

[tjreese]

I guess my point is that while Wilson was a heck of a talent and missing him hurts the team overall, missing him does nothing to help Haas defend more effectively since there is still nobody he can cover.

Where Wilson was more effective in this matchup was giving Michigan a 2nd big on the court at a time that could try to defend Haas.

I fully understand your point. My point is that unless they play 5 people that are a greater threat from the three than Haas is from the 2 or can be more effective in driving the ball against Haas than Haas is down low...Haas will play.

Haas does NOT have to guard a center. He just needs to guard someone that diminishes the space he has to cover to defend effrectively. The others can guard the perimeter. Matt dictates who guards who, who helps on who and who doesn't help on who. If Michigan cannot do what I said above..no problem. If they can do the things I said they need to do above...it is a problem. Losing Wilson "may" have changed that scenario because Wilson also created D problems in addition to O problems

 

[blockm2]

I fully understand your point. My point is that unless they play 5 people that are a greater threat from the three than Haas is from the 2 or can be more effective in driving the ball against Haas than Haas is down low...Haas will play.

Nobody suggested Haas wouldn't play. Of course he will play. I've said repeatedly that he can't guard Wagner (or anyone else Michigan will likely have on the court), nor can Wagner or anybody else on Michigan guard him.

It's the same contrast in strengths and weaknesses it was last year. For all we know Wagner will turn Haas inside out and get 12 wide open shots against him only to miss all of them. Just because something is a mismatch doesn't mean it will always work out. Just like Haas might get a bunch of easy looks and brick them all.

 

[rustcr]

pretty accurate I think. One concern I have and it has been a concern for a while. Nebraska took advantage of it and others will as well. Nebraska in one very obvious time went to a two man game on the weak side of the court (weak as in player count, not where the ball is…some use different verbiage) with a forward and a threatening to hit a perimeter jump shot guard. Purdue switched as usual and since Nebraska ran this with only two players on that side of the lane…the help was not as close. The guard occupied the switch player from (big..vince or haarms I believe) Purdue and since they were more isolated, Nebraska’s big went to low post with PJ guarding him and nobody to switch back with close enough to do it quickly. This has happened a few times the last few years, but rarely taken advantage of because many times the opposing team does NOT isolate the two man game and prevent the switch back due to the other three having enough spacing to be scoring threats. This is mostly a concern in a last second ball game not previously ran. It will be interesting to see if this plays out. One omission from last year and an adjustment Matt made was for Biggie to guard Walton a bit to keep him on O and sag him a bit to help on the Michigan bigs with drives and board work. I can’t recall if that was at Michigan or in the tourney…but of course Walton really got it going in the tourney.

If Purdue plays a good game…doesn’t even have to be great…Purdue wins at Michigan. I expect a focused Purdue team with returnees remembering what happened last year.

I don't remember which game it was last year, but IIRC, didn't our perimeter players do some switching on D that seemed to slow them down from making 3s?

 

[*4purdue*]

Does anyone believe that Haarms should get the bulk of the minutes over Haas, in terms of guarding Wagner?

No, but I could see them both playing together a lot tomorrow if they can both stay out of foul trouble. I'm guessing Haas will get a couple of quick ones & Haarms will get most of the minutes.

 

[ahhculdee]

Shut down WAGNER!

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I don't remember which game it was last year, but IIRC, didn't our perimeter players do some switching on D that seemed to slow them down from making 3s?

IIRC, it was the second half of the game in Ann Arbor last year....and was effective but too late as the Boilers had already dug too big a hole.

 

[Zaphod_B]

Does anyone believe that Haarms should get the bulk of the minutes over Haas, in terms of guarding Wagner?

Nope! CMP should play a zone!!!

/ducks and runs away....

j/k... haha

 

[tjreese]

Nobody suggested Haas wouldn't play. Of course he will play. I've said repeatedly that he can't guard Wagner (or anyone else Michigan will likely have on the court), nor can Wagner or anybody else on Michigan guard him.

It's the same contrast in strengths and weaknesses it was last year. For all we know Wagner will turn Haas inside out and get 12 wide open shots against him only to miss all of them. Just because something is a mismatch doesn't mean it will always work out. Just like Haas might get a bunch of easy looks and brick them all.

true, but my emphasis was and qualified with a don't know their personnel "IF" they have a Wilson. They must play 5 that puts Haas in space of he will back off. Haas does not have to guard anyone on the perimeter that is not a threat. You said Haas can't guard anyone...and I can't say you are wrong because I do not know their personnel and "who" will be a Wilson. If they play 4 behind the arc and 1 within 15...I suspect Haas will be okay because that amount of space he might cover. Fully agree that mismatches exist and we do not know who will win those. I guess where I was going and not sure if I was clear was what kind of player will replace Wilson? Will THAT player play beyond the arc be effective and will THAT player be just as effective on D as Wilson was?

This is not a disagree with you, because I'm not sure I stated my concern accurately enough that you were to understand it. Soooo, my question is concerning the 5 that will play together and Wilson's replacement specifically. These are questions I have since I really don't know, Irvin's and Walton's replacements abilities. Rahkman concerns me as does Wilson and Duncan can shoot it, but after that...

So my question is just trying to learn who they have and their abilities to better grasp when Haas can guard someone or not. Now we know Haas cannot go out on the perimeter to guard someone with some distance, but some players being within 8 feet is close enough.