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Purdue vs. Michigan: MASTER DISCUSSION THREAD

Yes, he's a good PG. That's it. You can't expect him to win you games. He doesn't have it in him. Exactly, why he has so many assists. He needs good players around him to win games.

Edwards wasn't leading our team an assists, but he could lead this team to wins.
That is what a pt guard is
 
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Michigan shoots 65 percent in the 2nd half. Pretty much the norm against this defense. It's easy when its layups and wide open 3s every possession. Smith looks done. TKR looked done in the 2nd half. The only one that showed a little life was Harris.
 
I would start Colvin and Harris instead of Loyer and Cox. Loyer’s defense is too much of liability…and is taken out of his game offensively against athletic guards. Then….he has a big negative contribution to the game. I don’t think Purdue would miss Loyer next season. Major changes need to be made to talk about a deep run in the tourney next season.
 
another 2nd half collapse, don't want to hear about tired legs, Mich didn't, usc didn't

I hear you, but in defense and to be fair to Braden Smith - he is being hounded all game long, has the ball in his hands a ton, has to run the offense, and is playing 39/40 minutes - those are more stress-impacted minutes than some other guys. There is also the mental fatigue, which also affects focus and concentration.

He won't make excuses, and it's not an excuse - just an observation.

I've only seen one guy play that seemingly never needed a rest, and he played 50+ years ago. Everybody needs a rest every now and then - Painter knows that, but he is somewhat in a quandary with how important BS is on both ends of the floor - appears to have caught up to him.
 
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Expecting Smith and TKR to win games isn't happening. We finished this stellar year at
That is what a pt guard is
Yes, but he needs to lead this team to WINS. We are 3-6 our last 9 games. He isn't doing his job.....is he? Do you really believe he is? Come on.
 
Expecting Smith and TKR to win games isn't happening. We finished this stellar year at

Yes, but he needs to lead this team to WINS. We are 3-6 our last 9 games. He isn't doing his job.....is he? Do you really believe he is? Come on.
So you say bench him?
 
I hear you, but in defense and to be fair to Braden Smith - he is being hounded all game long, has the ball in his hands a ton, has to run the offense, and is playing 39/40 minutes - those are more stress-impacted minutes than some other guys. There is also the mental fatigue, which also affects focus and concentration.

He won't make excuses, and it's not an excuse - just an observation.

I've only seen one guy play that seemingly never needed a rest, and he played 50+ years ago. Everybody needs a rest every now and then - Painter knows that, but he is somewhat in a quandary with how important BS is on both ends of the floor - appears to have caught up to him.
Would be nice if Harris could play 10 minutes at PG and significantly reduce the workload next year.
 
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So you say bench him?
No, we need him. This team is constructed horribly. I love CMP, but he did a mediocre job on this one. We keep expecting more out of Smith and Loyer and nothing changes.

I would let Loyer walk, keep Smith, TKR and go get a couple big gritty guards that are dogs and another big. We just don't have that.
 
All I know is that I WANT Purdue to win. Every game I want them to win. I want Braden Smith to earn his accolades. I want TKR to have a true center so he can go and be where he should be at power forward. I want athletic guards who can create their own shots. Everyone do their job, the way it should be done, when it’s supposed to be done, and do it every time. Boiler Up. Hail Purdue
 
Something is wrong with this team. We were blowing out usc and Michigan earlier granted it was at home but now we get blown out and can barely beat usc. Not expecting us them to make it to the second weekend.
 
We were 4th in conf

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Does Purdue have some rule where we're not allowed to take Smith out. Really might need to take him out 5 minutes total each half. He either needs more rest and/or we need a different look on offense here and there.
 
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This team needs changes. We need better guard play, we need rim protection, we need better rebounding, we need better scoring and this roster isn't built for this. Smith isn't leading this team like ZE could. I'm ok with his limited skill set. That doesn't make him a bad player. He just needs key players to make him look good.

CMP needs to restructure this roster to help with these deficiency's.
 
You are a homer. You don't see anything negative and a game we got blown out and went 3-6 last 9 games..... you're brilliant.
I think some of these people really think Smith is better than Magic Johnson. 😂

And FTR, I have a Smith NIL jersey, I'm helping him buy cyber trucks, so nobody question my contribution to this team!
 
I think some of these people really think Smith is better than Magic Johnson. 😂

And FTR, I have a Smith NIL jersey, I'm helping him buy cyber trucks, so nobody question my contribution to this team!
Oh, I think Smith is good. I just understand he has a limited skill set. People equate him leading this team with assists means he can lead them to wins.....not so much.

Many also understand great PG's make other players good on the team and what player has really evolved this year above expectations? He hasn't necessarily done his job to the fullest.

I don't want Smith to wear another jersey, but I also want more from him and CMP's roster structure.
 
Michigan State/Wisconsin

Maryland/Michigan

Candidly, taking the whole season into view, those are probably the four best conference teams. Certainly right now they are.

Boilers still have one last chance to make a run - let's see what they can do, starting next week.
 
Oh, I think Smith is good. I just understand he has a limited skill set. People equate him leading this team with assists means he can lead them to wins.....not so much.

Many also understand great PG's make other players good on the team and what player has really evolved this year above expectations? He hasn't necessarily done his job to the fullest.

I don't want Smith to wear another jersey, but I also want more from him and CMP's roster structure.
He's the best PG Purdue has ever had.
 
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No, we need him. This team is constructed horribly. I love CMP, but he did a mediocre job on this one. We keep expecting more out of Smith and Loyer and nothing changes.

I would let Loyer walk, keep Smith, TKR and go get a couple big gritty guards that are dogs and another big. We just don't have that.
We did lose Catchings ( although he’s a head case ) and Jacobsen
 
I would start Colvin and Harris instead of Loyer and Cox. Loyer’s defense is too much of liability…and is taken out of his game offensively against athletic guards. Then….he has a big negative contribution to the game. I don’t think Purdue would miss Loyer next season. Major changes need to be made to talk about a deep run in the tourney next season.
Loyer's defense isnt' the issue with this team. He took two great charges tonight. Can't understand why you guys are all over his ass when he's the leading three point shooter in the league and ranked highly in the nation.

As I said earlier, we have at least four to five more losses without him. Colvin nor Harris are better.
 
I would start Colvin and Harris instead of Loyer and Cox. Loyer’s defense is too much of liability…and is taken out of his game offensively against athletic guards. Then….he has a big negative contribution to the game. I don’t think Purdue would miss Loyer next season. Major changes need to be made to talk about a deep run in the tourney next season.
Painter is never ever ever benching Loyer.
 
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Starting guard play tonight was bad all around from Smith to Loyer to Cox.

Furst got a few rebounds but did little else.

TKR was usual self but getting him his isn't enough for this team to win. Colvin has had a few good games and Heide has hit some shots, might consider starting one of them over Cox.

Loyer and Smith can't have poor games like that. This is why we need portal additions, we are too reliant on 3 players for the bulk of our scoring and each of those players have defensive liabilities that magnify things when the offense isn't working.

Man the defense is just bad. Like the worse I've seen since before COVID. No one can keep their guy in front of them. They all seem stuck in quick sand. Too many times players get sucked in on help.and leave easy threes wide open off penetration. And then the rebounding.

Maybe playing non B10 teams will help. But tonight was a bad team. Not just effort but spacing was bad, players didn't seem to know where to be on the court. It looked like early season.

I'm going to guess we get a 5 seed. And
that means a 12 seed who's probably an athletic mid major team. Not a great formula for us.
 
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