No offense taken. I knew you didn't mean it that way. The truth is that every group, whether African Americans, police, millennials, or middle aged men, gets pre-judged constantly in our society, because to pre-judge is to be human. I often have to recognize and correct the tendency in myself.
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Without knowing anything about other people's life experiences, you label them ignorant because they do not agree with you -- even when they back their opinion with facts. Everything I posted is easily sourced if you do some very simple checking. If facts do not fit your argument, don't be one of those people who just closes their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears, and say, "Don't confuse me with the facts! My mind's made up!"
My advice is that as you continue to grow, don't get caught up in the emotion of the moment. Nothing good comes from it. It leads to mob mentalities and bad decisions. And it makes you easily manipulated. Think things through logically with information from a variety of sources. Listen to the other side, not just the one you want to hear. Especially pay attention to the data, making sure that good methodology and analysis were performed in obtaining and presenting them. If the data doesn't support your views, then maybe it's time to change your views. It's OK to be wrong -- if you realize it and correct your thinking. Good luck.
It's a hazard of communicating on message boards. There is no body language nor non-verbal cues. A post that is intended to be straightforward and factual in a point-by-point format may appear to be confrontational, even when that is not the intent. I suppose a
or now and then would help. That probably wasn't fair of me to refer to your post as confrontational, but I completely get why BK would read it that way. To your point, tone can be hard to discern in a post.It's a hazard of communicating on message boards. There is no body language nor non-verbal cues. A post that is intended to be straightforward and factual in a point-by-point format may appear to be confrontational, even when that is not the intent. I suppose a
Yes, cops make mistakes and it happens. However, I have a hard time feeling sympathy for these people that are killed by cops when they have a mile long rap sheet.
Freddy Gray? His death was a benefit to society. The guy was an F'in drug dealer, had been arrested over 20 times! He obviously had zero interest in being a productive member of society. If he didn't die in a police wagon, he was going to die by another drug dealer or gang banger. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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No offense, but I can tell you're 18.
While cops aren't perfect, there's also something called 'personal responsibility' and 'consequences for one's actions'. Too many of the 'victims' and their advocates forget about that part.
I do not quite agree with some of your points in your statement, but I do see why you feel that way. our age gap may be a reason for different beliefs on why things are happening the way they are, but I can't tell you what's right and what's wrong, you've always been a good, thoughtful poster and I can definitely respect that. Hopefully one day a utopian society can be close to a reality and we have less time discussing sensitive topics and more discussion on a Purdue national championship
There will never be a utopian society. Life is not a beer commercial.
I don't think it's a lack of people understanding what you're saying, I think it's that you're owning giving one side of the argument. Which is fine, if that's the side you fall on, because there's a lot of people who fall on the other side.
hell freezith over....I agreed with something TC4Three has said!
I read all of your post. Don't see any facts, just a lot of opinion and a lot of bluster.
LOL! More whites than blacks are not killed by police? We haven't elected a black man as our president twice? You must live in a different country than I do. Either that, or you are one of those people who relies on your emotions rather than facts. Based on your silly response, the latter is obviously true.
and that's one of my points here. "No offense I can tell you're 18". like I said I can continue to make more valid points and we could discuss more, but some people on this board are incapable without turning it into an unneeded argument. I wasn't calling anyone specifically immature or ignorant. I was noting that the trend on this board is that there is a lot of immaturity and ignorance based on how on almost every thread there some how ends up being people going at it when it isn't necessary. My statement was not to be "anti-police" but "pro-reform" within the department. Of course we all have different experiences but it's gonna be different for people living in small town Indiana than it would be living in the metropolitan areas of let's say Baltimore or San Francisco. This wasn't an insult or anything towards you Bonefish, just expressing why I am frustrated.
I'm giving one side of the argument as the other posters are. I'm attempting to understand other posters side, but the only trend I see with what's being stated is "the police are not the problem, the people who they arrest are". Like I said there is quite a bit of justification in certain situations with certain people, not gonna deny that. But there is also justification to point out that some cops haven't been doing the right thing, and it's evident. Some people refuse to admit it's a problem and that's why I've gone to assuming ignorance by some posters. And back to a statistic a boilerAndy pointed out about white people being killed more by police, there's also 160 million more whites in this country than blacks. Either way, police brutality is an issue and if some do not think it is, then so be it.
Plenty of people have died at the hands of police that had no criminal backround. Too many innocent people have died.
If you continue to set up false narratives, it will be hard for you to have any kind of serious discussion. Point out anywhere in this thread where someone stated that police brutality, or abuse of power, isn't a problem in this country. In fact, I agreed with you on that point. Who is justifying it, as you claim? And my suggestion to you that you should be very analytical about the data? You ignored it. Stating that there are more white people than black people in America explains why more white people are killed by police is either naive or a deliberate misuse of statistics to support your beliefs. Review this article:
http://crimeresearch.org/2014/10/in...-whites-even-after-adjusting-for-crime-rates/
And I had to chuckle at this: "Of course we all have different experiences but it's gonna be different for people living in small town Indiana than it would be living in the metropolitan areas of let's say Baltimore or San Francisco." Maybe you were referring to yourself as being a small-town Indiana resident. But if you think it supports your world-view to believe that the only people who disagree with you are small town Indiana residents, then you are only deceiving yourself. You'll find that Purdue grads now live -- and have lived -- in places like San Fransisco, Detroit, Chicago, and even in large cities overseas. I was in LA during the riots when the verdict came down for the cops in the Rodney King case. I then traveled back to San Francisco, where protesters and rioters shut down the Golden Gate Bridge. I've lived and worked just outside of Detroit and in Chicago. Don't look for easy ways to dismiss other opinions just because you are unwilling to fully examine your own.
Cops are out there serving the public, doing a job, and dealing with (for the most part) idiots on a day in/day out basis. They deal with people who don't respect the law, don't respect police, don't respect society, and then get questioned about why they shot a guy who pointed a gun at them.
Again, it comes down to personal responsibility and owning up to one's actions. Almost all this individuals who end up in police involved shootings have MULTIPLE arrests. That's not by accident, it's not by systemic racism, and it's not because of their skin color. It's because that's the life they choose and for some, it catches up with them.
Do cops mess up? Yes. But, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt 99% of the time because in 99% of the cases, the shooting are justifiable.
Interesting site. I'll review it in detail sometime this week when I have time.
I am finally getting around to commenting on this article… because I promised I would.
Probably more than 75% of the topics in this article I agree with – very strongly. I especially agree where it comes to media manipulation and the behavior of our elected leaders.
But Mr. Smith is not innocent of attempting to use manipulation in his own writing. One example is his topic #7 in his list of “Methods of Manipulation”. His claim that “… religions and cults has [sic] led to more murder, misery, torture, sexual abuse, child abuse, suicide, guilt, shame, anger, perversion, hostility and slavery than any other form of manipulation in history” is an emotional rant with no citations. And it ignores the tens of millions murdered, starved, and enslaved during the (atheist) communist takeover of governments in China and Russia. Does Mr. Smith not know his 20th Century history? Throughout his writing, he practices many of the forms of manipulations that he warns us against.
I could go on, but the bottom line is that he is using his own brand of manipulation. It is rather blatant, really. He even instructs people to only read books and online news from sites he has hand-picked, and that presumably agree with his views.
In the end, his proposed solutions are weak. While I agree that getting out of debt, networking, and defending human rights are correct, his main recommended actions to bring about change seem to be public protests and complaining to your elected representatives. Where are positive solutions to the problems? Where is the call to leadership and service? Why not start and grow a good business where you treat your employees the way they should be treated? Your employees and their families will carry the message. Why not run for public office and make the changes you desire through the democratic process? Your constituents and their families will carry the message. Why not become active in organizations that work to deliver self-sustained agriculture, energy, drinking water, medical care, and education to needy communities around the world? These empowered communities will carry the message.
I suppose complaining and protesting is much easier. But if you are so enlightened after you have “immunized” yourself from manipulation, then aren’t you in the best position to lead the changes you desire? Why waste your energy trying to push others to lead the way you want, when you are now the most qualified person to make it happen?
