Purdue +7

[FirstDownB]

The folks putting their money on the line seem to think this is going to be a close one.

I wonder what is Purdue's record in this series when a TD dog or less. My guess is it's pretty decent.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

The folks putting their money on the line seem to think this is going to be a close one.

I wonder what is Purdue's record in this series when a TD dog or less. My guess is it's pretty decent.

We are going to be up 28-21, their running QB is gonna be in the game with a minute or so left, he’s gonna get hit by karlaftis in his throwing motion and Marvin grant is gonna pick off a gimme floater right to him.

this is either gonna happen or I was dreaming about daydreaming about that happening and someone is gonna be like “wake up man, wake up.. yeah tough loss” lol

 

[PaBoiler78]

We are going to be up 28-21, their running QB is gonna be in the game with a minute or so left, he’s gonna get hit by karlaftis in his throwing motion and Marvin grant is gonna pick off a gimme floater right to him.

this is either gonna happen or I was dreaming about daydreaming about that happening and someone is gonna be like “wake up man, wake up.. yeah tough loss” lol

do think turnovers are going play a big part in this game, so far we've been pretty clean.

 

[rgarlitz]

This is the database I normally use when searching college football historical scores. Purdue is 1-8 vs. Notre Dame in one-score games since 1995--the lone win coming at home in 1999. Those mid-Tiller years were brutal. Purdue lost three straight to ND in 2000, 2001, and 2002 despite outgaining the Irish in all three games. I was at the 2000 game--my only Purdue game at ND stadium. Special teams mistakes and turnovers doomed Purdue as converted tight end Gary Godsey (sp?) edged Heisman contender Drew Brees.

Basic Opponent-vs-Opponent Record

Form for computing results of one team vs another over any span of years.

football.stassen.com

Record of Purdue (vs Notre Dame), 1869-2020​

Site	First Meeting	Last Meeting	Games	Win %	Wins	Losses	Ties	Average Score
Any	1896​	2014​	86​	0.314​	26​	58​	2​	16.26​	24.33​
Home	1899​	2013​	44​	0.341​	14​	28​	2​	15.82​	22.48​
Away	1896​	2012​	40​	0.275​	11​	29​	​	16.62​	26.30​
Neutral	1984​	2014​	2​	0.500​	1​	1​	​	18.50​	25.50​

Individual Game Results of Purdue (vs Notre Dame), 1869-2020​

Date		Opponent (record)	Result	Score	Site
9/13/2014​	vs.	Notre Dame (8-5)	L	14​	30​	@ Indianapolis, IN
9/14/2013​	vs.	Notre Dame (9-4)	L	24​	31​
9/8/2012​	@	Notre Dame (12-1)	L	17​	20​
10/1/2011​	vs.	Notre Dame (8-5)	L	10​	38​
9/4/2010​	@	Notre Dame (8-5)	L	12​	23​
9/26/2009​	vs.	Notre Dame (6-6)	L	21​	24​
9/27/2008​	@	Notre Dame (7-6)	L	21​	38​
9/29/2007​	vs.	Notre Dame (3-9)	W	33​	19​
9/30/2006​	@	Notre Dame (10-3)	L	21​	35​
10/1/2005​	vs.	Notre Dame (9-3)	L	28​	49​
10/2/2004​	@	Notre Dame (6-6)	W	41​	16​
9/27/2003​	vs.	Notre Dame (5-7)	W	23​	10​
9/7/2002​	@	Notre Dame (10-3)	L	17​	24​
12/1/2001​	vs.	Notre Dame (5-6)	L	18​	24​
9/16/2000​	@	Notre Dame (9-3)	L	21​	23​
9/11/1999​	vs.	Notre Dame (5-7)	W	28​	23​
9/26/1998​	@	Notre Dame (9-3)	L	30​	31​
9/13/1997​	vs.	Notre Dame (7-6)	W	28​	17​
9/14/1996​	@	Notre Dame (8-3)	L	0​	35​
9/9/1995​	vs.	Notre Dame (9-3)	L	28​	35​
9/24/1994​	@	Notre Dame (6-5-1)	L	21​	39​
9/25/1993​	vs.	Notre Dame (11-1)	L	0​	17​
9/26/1992​	@	Notre Dame (10-1-1)	L	0​	48​
9/28/1991​	vs.	Notre Dame (10-3)	L	20​	45​
9/29/1990​	@	Notre Dame (9-3)	L	11​	37​
9/30/1989​	vs.	Notre Dame (12-1)	L	7​	40​
9/24/1988​	@	Notre Dame (12-0)	L	7​	52​
9/26/1987​	vs.	Notre Dame (8-4)	L	20​	44​
9/27/1986​	@	Notre Dame (5-6)	L	9​	41​
9/28/1985​	vs.	Notre Dame (5-6)	W	35​	17​
9/8/1984​	vs.	Notre Dame (7-5)	W	23​	21​	@ Indianapolis, IN
9/10/1983​	vs.	Notre Dame (7-5)	L	6​	52​
9/25/1982​	@	Notre Dame (6-4-1)	L	14​	28​
9/26/1981​	vs.	Notre Dame (5-6)	W	15​	14​
9/6/1980​	@	Notre Dame (9-2-1)	L	10​	31​
9/22/1979​	vs.	Notre Dame (7-4)	W	28​	22​
9/30/1978​	@	Notre Dame (9-3)	L	6​	10​
9/24/1977​	vs.	Notre Dame (11-1)	L	24​	31​
9/18/1976​	@	Notre Dame (9-3)	L	0​	23​
9/20/1975​	vs.	Notre Dame (8-3)	L	0​	17​
9/28/1974​	@	Notre Dame (10-2)	W	31​	20​
9/29/1973​	vs.	Notre Dame (11-0)	L	7​	20​
9/30/1972​	@	Notre Dame (8-3)	L	14​	35​
9/25/1971​	vs.	Notre Dame (8-2)	L	7​	8​
9/26/1970​	@	Notre Dame (10-1)	L	0​	48​
9/27/1969​	vs.	Notre Dame (8-2-1)	W	28​	14​
9/28/1968​	@	Notre Dame (7-2-1)	W	37​	22​
9/30/1967​	vs.	Notre Dame (8-2)	W	28​	21​
9/24/1966​	@	Notre Dame (9-0-1)	L	14​	26​
9/25/1965​	vs.	Notre Dame (7-2-1)	W	25​	21​
10/3/1964​	@	Notre Dame (9-1)	L	15​	34​
10/5/1963​	vs.	Notre Dame (2-7)	W	7​	6​
10/6/1962​	@	Notre Dame (5-5)	W	24​	6​
10/7/1961​	vs.	Notre Dame (5-5)	L	20​	22​
10/1/1960​	@	Notre Dame (2-8)	W	51​	19​
10/3/1959​	vs.	Notre Dame (5-5)	W	28​	7​
10/25/1958​	@	Notre Dame (6-4)	W	29​	22​
9/28/1957​	vs.	Notre Dame (7-3)	L	0​	12​
10/13/1956​	@	Notre Dame (2-8)	W	28​	14​
10/22/1955​	vs.	Notre Dame (8-2)	L	7​	22​
10/2/1954​	@	Notre Dame (9-1)	W	27​	14​
10/3/1953​	vs.	Notre Dame (9-0-1)	L	7​	37​
10/18/1952​	vs.	Notre Dame (7-2-1)	L	14​	26​
10/27/1951​	@	Notre Dame (7-2-1)	L	9​	30​
10/7/1950​	@	Notre Dame (4-4-1)	W	28​	14​
10/8/1949​	vs.	Notre Dame (10-0)	L	12​	35​
9/25/1948​	@	Notre Dame (9-0-1)	L	27​	28​
10/11/1947​	vs.	Notre Dame (9-0)	L	7​	22​
10/12/1946​	@	Notre Dame (8-0-1)	L	6​	49​
9/30/1939​	@	Notre Dame (7-2)	L	0​	3​
10/13/1934​	@	Notre Dame (6-3)	L	7​	18​
11/11/1933​	@	Notre Dame (3-5-1)	W	19​	0​
11/3/1923​	@	Notre Dame (9-1)	L	7​	34​
10/14/1922​	vs.	Notre Dame (8-1-1)	L	0​	20​
10/15/1921​	vs.	Notre Dame (10-1)	L	0​	33​
11/6/1920​	@	Notre Dame (9-0)	L	0​	28​
11/22/1919​	vs.	Notre Dame (9-0)	L	13​	33​
11/23/1918​	vs.	Notre Dame (3-1-2)	L	6​	26​
11/23/1907​	vs.	Notre Dame (non-IA)	L	0​	17​
11/3/1906​	vs.	Notre Dame (non-IA)	L	0​	2​
11/24/1905​	vs.	Notre Dame (5-4)	W	32​	0​
11/24/1904​	vs.	Notre Dame (5-3)	W	36​	0​
11/27/1902​	vs.	Notre Dame (6-2-1)	T	6​	6​
11/9/1901​	@	Notre Dame (8-1-1)	L	6​	12​
11/18/1899​	vs.	Notre Dame (6-3-1)	T	10​	10​
11/14/1896​	@	Notre Dame (non-IA)	W	28​	22​

 

[rgarlitz]

The folks putting their money on the line seem to think this is going to be a close one.

I wonder what is Purdue's record in this series when a TD dog or less. My guess is it's pretty decent.

Sorry, I didn't read that correctly. I don't know what Purdue's record is a 7-point dog or less. My apologies.

 

[FirstDownB]

Sorry, I didn't read that correctly. I don't know what Purdue's record is a 7-point dog or less. My apologies.

If you find any sources that include the point spread that would be awesome. So far with manual searching I have worked back to 2008 and it’s starting to get hard to find the spreads. FYI- The lowest spread so far is +8.5 in 2009.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

do think turnovers are going play a big part in this game, so far we've been pretty clean.

I mean once recruiting is over and you get in camp and into games your talent level kinda is what it is, but you can maximize it by playing smart football … this team thus far has played with the smarts of a pat Fitzgerald coached team

 

[BoilerinLouisville]

Take Purdue and the points, The Irish are broken right now. Purdue gets this W

 

[NDAFArly]

Take Purdue and the points, The Irish are broken right now. Purdue gets this W

I wouldn’t go that far.
I remember 2018 when ND hung on to beat Ball State at home, followed by a 4th down stop in the red zone to escape 2-10 Vanderbilt at home…then ran the table to the CFP.
I think Marcus Freeman has gotten the message from BK about the defense gambling, and I also think BK has a shorter leash for Coan and ready to play Buchner more.
I don’t think this ND team blows anybody out, but I can see a lot of 3-11 point victories the rest of the year. And having more points than the opponent is all that matters at the end of the day.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

I wouldn’t go that far.

Shocker.

 

[rgarlitz]

Take Purdue and the points, The Irish are broken right now. Purdue gets this W

Man, I wish I had your confidence! I think Purdue will compete, but I'm also reminded that even good Purdue teams have really struggled in ND Stadium for a really long time. Purdue has won there once in what, 45 years?

I think the defense will keep us in it, but I am concerned about how Purdue's offensive line will hold up.

 

[DAG10]

Man, I wish I had your confidence! I think Purdue will compete, but I'm also reminded that even good Purdue teams have really struggled in ND Stadium for a really long time. Purdue has won there once in what, 45 years?

I think the defense will keep us in it, but I am concerned about how Purdue's offensive line will hold up.

For Purdue to even compete, Brohm is going to have to be on top of his game...ala OSU in '18 (and, that was a team that was way more talented...playing at home...at night...as THE national game).

It is REALLY hard at this point to get a good read on either team, but, I know that the Purdue OL vs ND DL is a mismatch very much in the favor of ND, and, to overcome that, Purdue is going to have to do some creative things offensively. I don't see the mismatch being as great from a ND OL vs Purdue DL standpoint, but, still advantage ND, and, they have experience at QB and RB...with an elite RB and another really good one.

I won't lie...if Purdue were within 7, I would be very pleasantly surprised...I think this one is a potential rout by ND, assuming they are capable of such.

 

[boilermaker75]

Man, I wish I had your confidence! I think Purdue will compete, but I'm also reminded that even good Purdue teams have really struggled in ND Stadium for a really long time. Purdue has won there once in what, 45 years?

I think the defense will keep us in it, but I am concerned about how Purdue's offensive line will hold up.

Tiller did it.

 

[FirstDownB]

For Purdue to even compete, Brohm is going to have to be on top of his game...ala OSU in '18 (and, that was a team that was way more talented...playing at home...at night...as THE national game).

It is REALLY hard at this point to get a good read on either team, but, I know that the Purdue OL vs ND DL is a mismatch very much in the favor of ND, and, to overcome that, Purdue is going to have to do some creative things offensively. I don't see the mismatch being as great from a ND OL vs Purdue DL standpoint, but, still advantage ND, and, they have experience at QB and RB...with an elite RB and another really good one.

I won't lie...if Purdue were within 7, I would be very pleasantly surprised...I think this one is a potential route by ND, assuming they are capable of such.

Notre Dame OL is not playing well. It’s all their fans can talk about.

 

[DAG10]

I wouldn’t go that far.
I remember 2018 when ND hung on to beat Ball State at home, followed by a 4th down stop in the red zone to escape 2-10 Vanderbilt at home…then ran the table to the CFP.
I think Marcus Freeman has gotten the message from BK about the defense gambling, and I also think BK has a shorter leash for Coan and ready to play Buchner more.
I don’t think this ND team blows anybody out, but I can see a lot of 3-11 point victories the rest of the year. And having more points than the opponent is all that matters at the end of the day.

Shocking that ND could hold on to beat Ball State and escape a 2-10 Vanderbilt team, and yet, play in the CFP...goes back to the point of ND benefiting more than any other school with favored national rankings.

 

[DAG10]

Tiller did it.

Purdue won there in '74 and '04...

 

[rgarlitz]

For Purdue to even compete, Brohm is going to have to be on top of his game...ala OSU in '18 (and, that was a team that was way more talented...playing at home...at night...as THE national game).

Or, ND has to be way overconfident. I suspect OSU did that three years ago.

Maybe the Irish will look past Purdue to next week's trip to Wisconsin. Then again, given how they had to scrape by in their first two games Purdue will probably have their full attention.

 

[Purdue85]

I wouldn’t go that far.
I remember 2018 when ND hung on to beat Ball State at home, followed by a 4th down stop in the red zone to escape 2-10 Vanderbilt at home…then ran the table to the CFP.
I think Marcus Freeman has gotten the message from BK about the defense gambling, and I also think BK has a shorter leash for Coan and ready to play Buchner more.
I don’t think this ND team blows anybody out, but I can see a lot of 3-11 point victories the rest of the year. And having more points than the opponent is all that matters at the end of the day.

2019 CFP, for the 2018 season:

Clemson 30
ND...........3

Those Ball State and Vandy games appear to have been a barometer.

 

[boilerdug]

The folks putting their money on the line seem to think this is going to be a close one.

I wonder what is Purdue's record in this series when a TD dog or less. My guess is it's pretty decent.

The line on DK opened at Purdue +8, quickly went to +7.5, and has now held steady at +7. A lot of people must have jumped on the 8 points.

 

[FirstDownB]

Found the holy grail. Unfortunately, not exactly was I was expecting...

• Over the last 20 meetings, the point spread has been within +/-7 points 9 times. In those 9 meetings, Purdue is 3-5-1 ATS.
• In the 5 games with point spread <=7 points in which Purdue was the dog, Purdue is 2-3 ATS.
• In none of those 5 games was Purdue the outright winner.
• Since the 1997 major upset that nobody saw coming, the Vegas line has regularly predicted the outright winner, 15 out of the last 17 meetings. 1997 was the last true Spoilermaker.

2014	+30	14-30
2013	+17	24-31
2012	+14	17-20
2011	+11.5	10-38
2010	+10.5	12-23
2009	+6.5	21-24	cover
2008	+2.5	21-38	not cover
2007	-21.5	33-19
2006	+14.5	21-35
2005	+3.5	28-49	not cover
2004	-1	41-16	cover
2003	-10	23-10
2002	+4.5	17-24	not cover
2001	-2.5	18-24	not cover
2000	-5.5	21-23	not cover
1999	-5	28-23	push
1998	+7	30-31	cover
1997	+20	28-17
1996	+22	0-35
1995	+8.5	28-35

 

[RossMackey]

Or, ND has to be way overconfident….

This is exactly why I hated the way the Toledo game played out last week… Kelly the comedian will be all over their collective azzes this week to ensure they score plenty of style points against a B1G team.

Brohm needs to be bold and ballsy right from the outset— punch em in the nose, and instill some panic- don’t let them settle in comfortably!

 

[BCfanatic2020]

This is exactly why I hated the way the Toledo game played out last week… Kelly the comedian will be all over their collective azzes this week to ensure they score plenty of style points against a B1G team.

Brohm needs to be bold and ballsy right from the outset— punch em in the nose, and instill some panic- don’t let them settle in comfortably!

To me .. he just has to make his money by figuring out some way to spring backs and create some kind of feeling for ND that if they don’t play the run straight up, we will keep picking up yards. It’s bad news If they have five guys focused on the run and we are getting held to two yards.

also using bell and Durham as a decoy in some way.. if bells comes on a drag route covered and you see plummer hit sheffield or anthrup the right sideline that’s a good sign that brohm is ready to outduel the ND staff

 

[New Pal Boiler]

For Purdue to even compete, Brohm is going to have to be on top of his game...ala OSU in '18 (and, that was a team that was way more talented...playing at home...at night...as THE national game).

Which team was more talented ? I’d argue our 2021 team is more talented than our 2018 team, and that the OSU 2018 team was more talented than the 2021 ND team.

 

[DAG10]

Which team was more talented ? I’d argue our 2021 team is more talented than our 2018 team, and that the OSU 2018 team was more talented than the 2021 ND team.

Could not disagree more about this team being even remotely as talented as the '18 team (other than Bell and Karlaftis)...but, agree that the 2018 OSU team was indeed more talented than this ND team.

Brohm was better in '18 as well, although, he gets a chance to show on Saturday that may not be the case or true...he has shown himself capable in the past, I am anxious to see what comes of Saturday.

 

[DAG10]

Found the holy grail. Unfortunately, not exactly was I was expecting...

• Over the last 20 meetings, the point spread has been within +/-7 points 9 times. In those 9 meetings, Purdue is 3-5-1 ATS.
• In the 5 games with point spread <=7 points in which Purdue was the dog, Purdue is 2-3 ATS.
• In none of those 5 games was Purdue the outright winner.
• Since the 1997 major upset that nobody saw coming, the Vegas line has regularly predicted the outright winner, 15 out of the last 17 meetings. 1997 was the last true Spoilermaker.

2014	+30	14-30
2013	+17	24-31
2012	+14	17-20
2011	+11.5	10-38
2010	+10.5	12-23
2009	+6.5	21-24	cover
2008	+2.5	21-38	not cover
2007	-21.5	33-19
2006	+14.5	21-35
2005	+3.5	28-49	not cover
2004	-1	41-16	cover
2003	-10	23-10
2002	+4.5	17-24	not cover
2001	-2.5	18-24	not cover
2000	-5.5	21-23	not cover
1999	-5	28-23	push
1998	+7	30-31	cover
1997	+20	28-17
1996	+22	0-35
1995	+8.5	28-35

Outstanding effort and work!

The '97 win was incredible...more so for someone who is from the South Bend area...and, '04 was super special and memorable...the first (and only) time that I left that stadium in South Bend with Purdue a winner.

Purdue legitimately had the better team a couple of times...that '99 - '04 run was pretty darn good...as good as it has been in my lifetime.

Since...not so much unfortunately.

I remember when it was announced that ND was back on the schedule, and, thinking in '17 that "the timing was perfect" in that I felt like Purdue was poised to be in a similar position to some of those better teams during that run that started in '99.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Which team was more talented ? I’d argue our 2021 team is more talented than our 2018 team, and that the OSU 2018 team was more talented than the 2021 ND team.

I agree. It’s going to come down to notre dame being able to simultaneously give extra attention to bell and Durham while also having a physical enough front 7 to shut down the run. If they can’t do that, they’re in a lot of trouble.

this is a better team than 18, but it’s an odd mix. Better just about everywhere, but worse on the offensive line.

if they can spring doerue into the second level the way that team sprung DJ Knox, ND is in trouble. Even if they’re just OKAY, it will be a very competitive game.

 

[boilerdug]

I agree. It’s going to come down to notre dame being able to simultaneously give extra attention to bell and Durham while also having a physical enough front 7 to shut down the run. If they can’t do that, they’re in a lot of trouble.

this is a better team than 18, but it’s an odd mix. Better just about everywhere, but worse on the offensive line.

if they can spring doerue into the second level the way that team sprung DJ Knox, ND is in trouble. Even if they’re just OKAY, it will be a very competitive game.

Somehow have to get Plummer to stop throwing off his back foot. If he is going to throw up a bunch of 50-50 balls, we are in trouble.

 

[mediaexpert]

We could not afford to lose 3 players in order to beat ND. The first two are obvious but the third was Horvath. We needed to bash into their line a couple of times to make our misdirection plays work. I think Brohm worked on several last week in anticipation for this week. With Horvath, we win. Without him, it will be tough.

Expect a lot more rolls and reverses.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Somehow have to get Plummer to stop throwing off his back foot. If he is going to throw up a bunch of 50-50 balls, we are in trouble.

So I’m a big believer that games like UConn have value. You play all this tough competition and then sometimes you need that game against an opponent where you can play with confidence. Then the challenge is going through that throw with a guy right in your face

 

[BCfanatic2020]

We could not afford to lose 3 players in order to beat ND. The first two are obvious but the third was Horvath. We needed to bash into their line a couple of times to make our misdirection plays work. I think Brohm worked on several last week in anticipation for this week. With Horvath, we win. Without him, it will be tough.

Expect a lot more rolls and reverses.

Where I think brohm makes his money this week is knowing that bell has established himself as a player to be feared, and so has Durham to some extent .. you motion Durham left send him into the seam, then you drag bell to pick up defenders .. sheffield on a wheel route up the right side becomes tough to play IF notre dame is covering bell how I expect. If brohm can get plays like that going then you have a defense that can scare a lot of people. If sheffield, doerue, anthrop and Wright combine for even two big plays.. the roof might come off

 

[DAG10]

I agree. It’s going to come down to notre dame being able to simultaneously give extra attention to bell and Durham while also having a physical enough front 7 to shut down the run. If they can’t do that, they’re in a lot of trouble.

this is a better team than 18, but it’s an odd mix. Better just about everywhere, but worse on the offensive line.

if they can spring doerue into the second level the way that team sprung DJ Knox, ND is in trouble. Even if they’re just OKAY, it will be a very competitive game.

If the OL cannot provide Plummer any time in the pocket, Bell and Durham (and their respective abilities) are irrelevant...and, stopping the run becomes much easier.

I respectfully disagreed with NewPal's assertion that this is a better team, and, I disagree with your assertion as well...aside of Karlaftis at DE, I am hard pressed to see how/where this team is better. It is not even close at the LB position...secondary is, at best, a wash...DL then was better...OL is even less close than LB on the other side of the ball...RB was much better then...QB was better...TE was as good, if not better...WR is debatable (maybe).

I may be wrong, and, I really hope that I am, but, I just don't see this team (outside of Bell and Karlaftis) having a great deal of talent...some solid guys...some guys that you could win with if there was some other really talented guys around/with them...but, just not a talented group on the whole. Maybe I will be shocked and feel otherwise after Saturday...and I would be more than happy if that were the case, but, I was really skeptical coming into this season, and, I admittedly remain so.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

If the OL cannot provide Plummer any time in the pocket, Bell and Durham (and their respective abilities) are irrelevant...and, stopping the run becomes much easier.

I respectfully disagreed with NewPal's assertion that this is a better team, and, I disagree with your assertion as well...aside of Karlaftis at DE, I am hard pressed to see how/where this team is better. It is not even close at the LB position...secondary is, at best, a wash...DL then was better...OL is even less close than LB on the other side of the ball...RB was much better then...QB was better...TE was as good, if not better...WR is debatable (maybe).

I may be wrong, and, I really hope that I am, but, I just don't see this team (outside of Bell and Karlaftis) having a great deal of talent...some solid guys...some guys that you could win with if there was some other really talented guys around/with them...but, just not a talented group on the whole. Maybe I will be shocked and feel otherwise after Saturday...and I would be more than happy if that were the case, but, I was really skeptical coming into this season, and, I admittedly remain so.

You’re the guy I’m always telling those who come after me about who says Mac talent as soon as we lose, right?

 

[DAG10]

Where I think brohm makes his money this week is knowing that bell has established himself as a player to be feared, and so has Durham to some extent .. you motion Durham left send him into the seam, then you drag bell to pick up defenders .. sheffield on a wheel route up the right side becomes tough to play IF notre dame is covering bell how I expect. If brohm can get plays like that going then you have a defense that can scare a lot of people. If sheffield, doerue, anthrop and Wright combine for even two big plays.. the roof might come off

I said it somewhere else in the thread...Brohm has the opportunity of a lifetime this week...he has been up to the task in the past, hopefully he can/will be again.

Lambert has as great an opportunity...I don't know that he has been up to the task before in not knowing enough about him and his past...he has not overwhelmed in any regard thus far...but, the opportunity exists this week for him to really make a difference.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

If the OL cannot provide Plummer any time in the pocket, Bell and Durham (and their respective abilities) are irrelevant...and, stopping the run becomes much easier.

I respectfully disagreed with NewPal's assertion that this is a better team, and, I disagree with your assertion as well...aside of Karlaftis at DE, I am hard pressed to see how/where this team is better. It is not even close at the LB position...secondary is, at best, a wash...DL then was better...OL is even less close than LB on the other side of the ball...RB was much better then...QB was better...TE was as good, if not better...WR is debatable (maybe).

I may be wrong, and, I really hope that I am, but, I just don't see this team (outside of Bell and Karlaftis) having a great deal of talent...some solid guys...some guys that you could win with if there was some other really talented guys around/with them...but, just not a talented group on the whole. Maybe I will be shocked and feel otherwise after Saturday...and I would be more than happy if that were the case, but, I was really skeptical coming into this season, and, I admittedly remain so.

So let’s just start here because I spent all summer arguing with homer takes, this post might irritate me more than any of the many ones I argued with (often incorrectly)

question one before we go any further:

this years version of:

trice
allen
Grant
Mackey

or

That years version of

mackey
Mosley
B thienemann
Major

cause you really can’t be serious

 

[DAG10]

You’re the guy I’m always telling those who come after me about who says Mac talent as soon as we lose, right?

Given the success that Toledo just had, we may find out on Saturday that MAC talent is better than some of what Purdue has.

I said that I may be wrong and that I hope that I am, but, this team just lacks difference makers and playmakers...it has two standout talents...in-state guys that Brohm/staff were able to sell a vision to...those guys came in and took a chance in that they felt like they could be part of something special and be difference makers...they have lived up to their end of the bargain (and then some)...Brohm/staff have not done the same...a great opportunity for that to change on Saturday.

 

[DAG10]

So let’s just start here because I spent all summer arguing with homer takes, this post might irritate me more than any of the many ones I argued with (often incorrectly)

question one before we go any further:

this years version of:

trice
allen
Grant
Mackey

or

That years version of

mackey
Mosley
B thienemann
Major

cause you really can’t be serious

Hard to know, and, even compare...the LBs and DL was better then, which in part aided the secondary.

Purdue's secondary was anything but impressive against Oregon St. ,and, they will be tested far more on Saturday, provided ND's OL can hold up (and, that is something that Purdue seemingly has a chance to exploit...if they are aggressive and blitz and attack). The wild card is Grant...he has the chance to be a difference maker, and, if so, the ability to make for the secondary to become a potential strength.

I said that I felt like it was a wash...that secondary held up pretty well for the course of that season, including against a talented OSU team...maybe this secondary will show itself to be better...starting on Saturday, but, I want to see it...I saw it with the '18 group.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

The line on DK opened at Purdue +8, quickly went to +7.5, and has now held steady at +7. A lot of people must have jumped on the 8 points.

Similar at my book. Opened +7.5, moved to +6.5 Sunday night, then back to 7.5. Gotta pay a bit more juice to get the 7.5 though.

 

[Beorik]

If the OL cannot provide Plummer any time in the pocket, Bell and Durham (and their respective abilities) are irrelevant...and, stopping the run becomes much easier.

I respectfully disagreed with NewPal's assertion that this is a better team, and, I disagree with your assertion as well...aside of Karlaftis at DE, I am hard pressed to see how/where this team is better. It is not even close at the LB position...secondary is, at best, a wash...DL then was better...OL is even less close than LB on the other side of the ball...RB was much better then...QB was better...TE was as good, if not better...WR is debatable (maybe).

I may be wrong, and, I really hope that I am, but, I just don't see this team (outside of Bell and Karlaftis) having a great deal of talent...some solid guys...some guys that you could win with if there was some other really talented guys around/with them...but, just not a talented group on the whole. Maybe I will be shocked and feel otherwise after Saturday...and I would be more than happy if that were the case, but, I was really skeptical coming into this season, and, I admittedly remain so.

Ok let me try to break this down imo.

QB - literally the same 2 guys that took most of the snaps in 19 are the 1 and 2 guys this year and add a transfer who could also start and a 4 star as 4th string. Much better situation at qb.

Rb - literally the same 2 guys at rb as we had in 19 but with 2 more years in the program. Plus a better 3rd string rb imo. Better at rb.

TE - Durham looks amazing so far. Miller has a ton of talent. Hopkins also was great in 19. Imo Durham is a better all around te but lets call this one a wash to avoid arguments.

Wr - Bell, Anthrop, Anderson vs Bell, Anthrop, Wright. Probably close but I give the edge to Bell 2 years older and more talented depth at wr currently.

OL - I thought our line was better last year than in 19 and I expect this year to be similar to last. This might be close though.

DL - Barnes, Higgins, Johnson and Karlaftis vs Mitchell, Johnson, Lewis, Karlaftis. I think we are better at 3 of 4 positions.

LB - Alexander, Holt, Graham vs
Alexander, Douglas, Graham. Again better at at least 2 of 3 positions.

Cb/s - Major, Mosley, Theinamann, Mackey vs Trice, Grant, Allen, Mackey. Way better now.

So I fail to see where this team is worse than 2019.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Hard to know, and, even compare...the LBs and DL was better then, which in part aided the secondary.

Purdue's secondary was anything but impressive against Oregon St. ,and, they will be tested far more on Saturday, provided ND's OL can hold up (and, that is something that Purdue seemingly has a chance to exploit...if they are aggressive and blitz and attack). The wild card is Grant...he has the chance to be a difference maker, and, if so, the ability to make for the secondary to become a potential strength.

I said that I felt like it was a wash...that secondary held up pretty well for the course of that season, including against a talented OSU team...maybe this secondary will show itself to be better...starting on Saturday, but, I want to see it...I saw it with the '18 group.

There’s no comparison in talent .. absolutely none.

Markus Bailey was better than any defender we have save George and maybe trice and Allen.

please tell me.. who else was good on that defense in the front seven?

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Ok let me try to break this down imo.

QB - literally the same 2 guys that took most of the snaps in 19 are the 1 and 2 guys this year and add a transfer who could also start and a 4 star as 4th string. Much better situation at qb.

Rb - literally the same 2 guys at rb as we had in 19 but with 2 more years in the program. Plus a better 3rd string rb imo. Better at rb.

TE - Durham looks amazing so far. Miller has a ton of talent. Hopkins also was great in 19. Imo Durham is a better all around te but lets call this one a wash to avoid arguments.

Wr - Bell, Anthrop, Anderson vs Bell, Anthrop, Wright. Probably close but I give the edge to Bell 2 years older and more talented depth at wr currently.

OL - I thought our line was better last year than in 19 and I expect this year to be similar to last. This might be close though.

DL - Barnes, Higgins, Johnson and Karlaftis vs Mitchell, Johnson, Lewis, Karlaftis. I think we are better at 3 of 4 positions.

LB - Alexander, Holt, Graham vs
Alexander, Douglas, Graham. Again better at at least 2 of 3 positions.

Cb/s - Major, Mosley, Theinamann, Mackey vs Trice, Grant, Allen, Mackey. Way better now.

So I fail to see where this team is worse than 2019.

No I think he’s saying this team is worse than the 2018 team.. not last year or 19? Brohm has had one team that wouldn’t lose easily to this team. 2017.