Proud of Purdue

[Boiler Buck]

I will say again dang proud of these guys. From dominate play by Haas, unsung hero VE to PJT late game dagger and FT....... and clutch play by CS just could not be prouder of the team.

Key here Is they put up 80 again... with the the D they play, they will be a tough out when they continue to score 80+

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Haas is just frustrating because he can't play with a fast tempo. Great effort

 

[mediaexpert]

Haas is just frustrating because he can't play with a fast tempo. Great effort

Great sarcasm. At first I wondered whether you watched the game and then I couldn't stop laughing.

Seriously though, if you took out the times we went with only 1 big, we would have won by 10. I couldn't understand why Matt did not go with IH, CS and VE to start the 2nd half. We would have won by 20.

 

[PaBoiler78]

Great sarcasm. At first I wondered whether you watched the game and then I couldn't stop laughing.

Seriously though, if you took out the times we went with only 1 big, we would have won by 10. I couldn't understand why Matt did not go with IH, CS and VE to start the 2nd half. We would have won by 20.

the opening plays of the 2nd half were excellent, PJ was clutch but was surprised when he had 3 open lanes to the rim in the 2nd half and didn't go for the layup and just ducked to pass out to the perimeter.

 

[lbodel]

I will say again dang proud of these guys. From dominate play by Haas, unsung hero VE to PJT late game dagger and FT....... and clutch play by CS just could not be prouder of the team.

Key here Is they put up 80 again... with the the D they play, they will be a tough out when they continue to score 80+

What also shouldn't be lost is that Purdue was playing a very tested, experienced, senior-laden team (I think 4 of their starters are seniors). For us to play with so much composure when we got tested late speaks volumes.

 

[mediaexpert]

What also shouldn't be lost is that Purdue was playing a very tested, experienced, senior-laden team (I think 4 of their starters are seniors). For us to play with so much composure when we got tested late speaks volumes.

What I pray is that Matt doesn't try matching up by going with only 1 big again. I pray he realizes that we can win the national title, because we have a team that has everything to win. We play a sticky D with intimidation below, we have selfless offensive players, good shooters, we rebound well and we have a great inside outside game that when played together no one can beat.

I don't mean to knock Matt. He recruited these players, who not only play well together, but seem to be young men of high character. They understand the value of team work. When behind at the half, Matt has also made great changes to turn games around.

 

[Boiler Buck]

What I pray is that Matt doesn't try matching up by going with only 1 big again. I pray he realizes that we can win the national title, because we have a team that has everything to win. We play a sticky D with intimidation below, we have selfless offensive players, good shooters, we rebound well and we have a great inside outside game that when played together no one can beat.

I don't mean to knock Matt. He recruited these players, who not only play well together, but seem to be young men of high character. They understand the value of team work. When behind at the half, Matt has also made great changes to turn games around.

Yep....just do everything you can to put the offensive pressure on them. They cannot match up with Haas. Sometimes Painter due to his basketball mind, over thinks things though...

 

[mediaexpert]

Yep....just do everything you can to put the offensive pressure on them. They cannot match up with Haas.

I laugh when the TV commentators suggested sitting Haas against a small team on the floor. I can just see Purdue great, John Wooden, thinking he should sit Lew Alcindor, because he will have to guard someone 8 inches shorter - lol. But Lew is not fast enough.

 

[Bucket Boy]

What I pray is that Matt doesn't try matching up by going with only 1 big again. I pray he realizes that we can win the national title, because we have a team that has everything to win. We play a sticky D with intimidation below, we have selfless offensive players, good shooters, we rebound well and we have a great inside outside game that when played together no one can beat.

I don't mean to knock Matt. He recruited these players, who not only play well together, but seem to be young men of high character. They understand the value of team work. When behind at the half, Matt has also made great changes to turn games around.

Iowa State went 5 guys 6'5 or shorter in at one time. No way our bigs could guard that. Absolutely no way

 

[Boiler Buck]

Iowa State went 5 guys 6'5 or shorter in at one time. No way our bigs could guard that. Absolutely no way

And no way they could guard us either if we go big.....it works both ways.....key is to think offensively not defensively as opposing teams will score in the tourney regardless ....you just need to keep the offensive pressure on.

 

[lbodel]

What I pray is that Matt doesn't try matching up by going with only 1 big again. I pray he realizes that we can win the national title, because we have a team that has everything to win. We play a sticky D with intimidation below, we have selfless offensive players, good shooters, we rebound well and we have a great inside outside game that when played together no one can beat.

I don't mean to knock Matt. He recruited these players, who not only play well together, but seem to be young men of high character. They understand the value of team work. When behind at the half, Matt has also made great changes to turn games around.

I don't understand why this is so hard for everyone - it's not like we just decided to play small for the hell of it. It's based on the other team, which was playing 5 guys 6'5" and under in the second half. Sounds like an advantage, but it's also when Iowa State started taking control - and they burned Swanigan a few times (and he got stripped a couple times). It's one thing if another team has a 6'9" 220 pound guy playing against Haas - where they're trying to match up with him, but it's something Purdue can handle on both ends. But even Swanigan, let alone Haas, could not guard them when they had their small line up in. Thankfully our guards did a great job of limiting dribble penetration for much of the game.

We've played 2 undersized teams in the tournament. We're either playing Michigan State or Kansas - we'll be back to playing "normal" sized teams where we won't have weird/awkward match ups to deal with.

 

[mediaexpert]

I don't understand why this is so hard for everyone - it's not like we just decided to play small for the hell of it. It's based on the other team, which was playing 5 guys 6'5" and under in the second half. Sounds like an advantage, but it's also when Iowa State started taking control - and they burned Swanigan a few times (and he got stripped a couple times). It's one thing if another team has a 6'9" 220 pound guy playing against Haas - where they're trying to match up with him, but it's something Purdue can handle on both ends. But even Swanigan, let alone Haas, could not guard them when they had their small line up in. Thankfully our guards did a great job of limiting dribble penetration for much of the game.
We've played 2 undersized teams in the tournament. We're either playing Michigan State or Kansas - we'll be back to playing "normal" sized teams where we won't have weird/awkward match ups to deal with.

So what you are saying is that if we run into a game where they have big men who are destroying us that we should switch to Spike, PJ, CE, RC and DM and force them to get out of what is working for them and go small.

Gee, I wish we thought about that when we played UCLA in the NCAA finals. I am sure Wooden would have taken out their center who did not match up defensively.

 

[lbodel]

So what you are saying is that if we run into a game where they have big men who are destroying us that we should switch to Spike, PJ, CE, RC and DM and force them to get out of what is working for them and go small.

Gee, I wish we thought about that when we played UCLA in the NCAA finals. I am sure Wooden would have taken out their center who did not match up defensively.

No, it depends on your personnel. Did you watch the second half? Swanigan couldn't stop his 6'5" defender. Can you imagine Haas trying to? It's not just about offense.

 

[BoilerBiker]

It's based on the other team, which was playing 5 guys 6'5" and under in the second half.

when we initially went 4 guards + haas,
isu did have 6'8" bowie in the game
and purdue had a 14 point lead

then bowie and haas both went out, and we continued smaller with VE.
Lead was then cut to 7 , then TO to put swanigan back in

 

[lbodel]

when we initially went 4 guards + haas,
isu did have 6'8" bowie in the game
and purdue had a 14 point lead

then bowie and haas both went out, and we continued smaller with VE.
Lead was then cut to 7 , then TO to put swanigan back in

To be completely accurate, the lead was being cut into prior to Swanigan going out.

 

[BoilerBiker]

To be completely accurate, the lead was being cut into prior to Swanigan going out.

yes 19 to 14
Which is when we went small + haas as noted above

 

[Boiler Buck]

What I see in the tourney are teams that score against you no mater how hard you try on D..... You can limit the offensive production SOME........ but all in all these teams are great and ARE going to score. Trick is to score yourself too and put alot of offensive pressure on them. Haas gives us that ability and creates fouls for the other team where their stars end up on the bench. in short Kansas is going to score. Our bigs though might be difference makers to score more than they do

 

[todd brewster]

No, it depends on your personnel. Did you watch the second half? Swanigan couldn't stop his 6'5" defender. Can you imagine Haas trying to? It's not just about offense.

Did you notice that when Haas and Swanigan were in together the 6'5" scorer scored only once with Swanigan defending him? He did not drive, because Haas was clogging the lane and Iowa State had 0 Offensive boards. Swanigan could go out on him on the jump shot, because Haas was down below for the rebound. Meantime, if Haas went out to disrupt the ball handler going around the pick, he could because Swanigan was clogging the lane. In the first half, Dakota was shutting down the shooting guard, but the small forward got hot. Ryan did a good job defensively and was in his face, but sometimes you have to switch up. Vincent should have come in as SF and the extra 3 inches would probably be enough to disrupt the shooter. This is how Purdue has to match up. Going small when they can't stop us down low was ridiculous.

Going with just one big in the 2nd half may have be fine for a minute or so, but we went with it too long. We needed to go with Haas at C, Swannigan at PF and Vincent at SF for at least 7 minutes during the ISU game. Against Kansas, we probably should increase that, because Kansas plays big.

 

[lbodel]

Did you notice that when Haas and Swanigan were in together the 6'5" scorer scored only once with Swanigan defending him? He did not drive, because Haas was clogging the lane and Iowa State had 0 Offensive boards. Swanigan could go out on him on the jump shot, because Haas was down below for the rebound. Meantime, if Haas went out to disrupt the ball handler going around the pick, he could because Swanigan was clogging the lane. In the first half, Dakota was shutting down the shooting guard, but the small forward got hot. Ryan did a good job defensively and was in his face, but sometimes you have to switch up. Vincent should have come in as SF and the extra 3 inches would probably be enough to disrupt the shooter. This is how Purdue has to match up. Going small when they can't stop us down low was ridiculous.

Going with just one big in the 2nd half may have be fine for a minute or so, but we went with it too long. We needed to go with Haas at C, Swannigan at PF and Vincent at SF for at least 7 minutes during the ISU game. Against Kansas, we probably should increase that, because Kansas plays big.

We played "small" and had some very good stretches doing so this season, no matter the opponent. Needless to say, as you said....Kansas is not going to play a line up of 5 guys 6'5" and under. Maybe we can discuss whether Carsen starts or not though...ha.

 

[todd brewster]

We played "small" and had some very good stretches doing so this season, no matter the opponent. Needless to say, as you said....Kansas is not going to play a line up of 5 guys 6'5" and under. Maybe we can discuss whether Carsen starts or not though...ha.

Kansas has many talented players 6'8" and taller. We should play a line up of 6'5" and under, so they have to keep their big men on the bench.

 

[Dakota Girl]

And no way they could guard us either if we go big.....it works both ways.....key is to think offensively not defensively as opposing teams will score in the tourney regardless ....you just need to keep the offensive pressure on.

I'm all in on this as long as we are scoring efficiently with the big lineup. It also generates fouls on our opponents trying to defend it. But if we are missing bunnys and turning it over underneath it quickly gets us in trouble. See what works and club them to death with it.

 

[tjreese]

I laugh when the TV commentators suggested sitting Haas against a small team on the floor. I can just see Purdue great, John Wooden, thinking he should sit Lew Alcindor, because he will have to guard someone 8 inches shorter - lol. But Lew is not fast enough.

Wooden was his first tourney with nobody over 6'4" I think and Alcindor is an all NBA great. I like Haas, but he is not Alcindor and not Alcindor during a time when the three ball did not exist. Think how much more crowded you could pack the D and therefore less distance over time would be needed due to those guys shooting behind the arc at 40% now only get 2 points instead of 50% more..or an effective shooting percentage of 60%. If a team shot over 50% Fg that was considered pretty good back then.

Gotta remember, the rule emphasis was to help the little guy in basketball, not the big guy..as there are a lot more of them to create more parity and increase TV ratings. Unlike football, basketball players have to go both ways. Now, there are times I would like to see Vince, Biggie and Haas on the court, but to think there are not significant risks in doing so is a mistake. Every game, different points in different games with Purdue AND teh opposing team's personnel make it a call by situation

 

[tjreese]

And no way they could guard us either if we go big.....it works both ways.....key is to think offensively not defensively as opposing teams will score in the tourney regardless ....you just need to keep the offensive pressure on.

Actually, that is not true. We know from previous games with little teams that if allowed to hack they can be very effective in stripping the ball and causing turnovers...and we know guards get protected. If this was 5-10 years ago...I'm right there with you, but today it isn't as clear IMO

 

[BoilerStation]

Actually, that is not true. We know from previous games with little teams that if allowed to hack they can be very effective in stripping the ball and causing turnovers...and we know guards get protected. If this was 5-10 years ago...I'm right there with you, but today it isn't as clear IMO

Precisely. They didn't even attempt to play much defense on Biggie down low outside of the great block by Burton. Most of the time it was just attempting to strip the ball and slapping at his hands. When allowed like you said with smaller teams it negates our inside post presence. Butler is the master of doing this over the years. Haas is also known for picking up some offensive fouls posting up against weaker/smaller guys because they don't know how to officiate him.

 

[BoilerGal74]

What I see in the tourney are teams that score against you no mater how hard you try on D..... You can limit the offensive production SOME........ but all in all these teams are great and ARE going to score. Trick is to score yourself too and put alot of offensive pressure on them. Haas gives us that ability and creates fouls for the other team where their stars end up on the bench. in short Kansas is going to score. Our bigs though might be difference makers to score more than they do

Please don't take this wrong.... but sounds like you are saying defense doesn't matter when it comes to the Dance-only scoring. Tell the the truth, are you really Tom Crean now that you have too much time on your hands??

 

[Mandeville LA]

It seems everyone sees different things but I am guessing none of are going to take 4-5 hours breaking down the tape like the coaching staf will. They will see what worked and what did not. Then they are going to watch as much tape they can on Kansas and build a plan. I have faith in Painter and the staf to prepaid the best they can. Will it work? That's why they play the game.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Please don't take this wrong.... but sounds like you are saying defense doesn't matter when it comes to the Dance-only scoring. Tell the the truth, are you really Tom Crean now that you have too much time on your hands??

you caught me

 

[mediaexpert]

Wooden was his first tourney with nobody over 6'4" I think and Alcindor is an all NBA great. I like Haas, but he is not Alcindor and not Alcindor during a time when the three ball did not exist. Think how much more crowded you could pack the D and therefore less distance over time would be needed due to those guys shooting behind the arc at 40% now only get 2 points instead of 50% more..or an effective shooting percentage of 60%. If a team shot over 50% Fg that was considered pretty good back then.
Gotta remember, the rule emphasis was to help the little guy in basketball, not the big guy..as there are a lot more of them to create more parity and increase TV ratings. Unlike football, basketball players have to go both ways. Now, there are times I would like to see Vince, Biggie and Haas on the court, but to think there are not significant risks in doing so is a mistake. Every game, different points in different games with Purdue AND teh opposing team's personnel make it a call by situation

Keith Ericson was 6'5" and a heck of a player and probably the top beach volleyball player at the time. Wooden also had two great NBA guards. If you remember, Jabbar played probably the greatest small forward, Dr. J who was on 6'7", and beat him in a televised 1 on 1 game.

Haas shot 75% for the game and Iowa State shot 30% from 3. When Haas was in there the first half, Purdue took control of the game. They could not stop them. When Burton was guarded by Biggie, I think he got 1 basket, because could go out on him and stop the jump shot knowing Haas was under for the rebound and to stop the drive. The only one scoring was Thomas. Cline was playing Thomas and was in his face playing good D, but imagine if Haas was in for Cline and Vince guarded Thomas. The extra 3 inches would have been gigantic IMO.

Let's take the other scenario which is better for you statistically. Against Vermont, Haas did not shoot that well and Vermont was making their 3's. But aha, Purdue took control of the game, when HAAS was in there and we played the 3 bigs together. Lane hit the only 3, but then fouled Biggie and was pulled. With Haas at center; Biggie went wild as PF and Vince went crazy at SF. Vermont was intimated inside and got out of their shooting rhythm and they got 0 offensive boards.

Our trying to match up by going small was our folly. My point was not that Haas is as good as Alcindor, but Wooden whether he had Alcindor, Walton or Nater would have been an idiot to try and match up and go small. If the Gail Goodrich squad played the Alcindor squad, who do you think would win even with the 3 point line?

 

[Dakota Girl]

Precisely. They didn't even attempt to play much defense on Biggie down low outside of the great block by Burton. Most of the time it was just attempting to strip the ball and slapping at his hands. When allowed like you said with smaller teams it negates our inside post presence. Butler is the master of doing this over the years. Haas is also known for picking up some offensive fouls posting up against weaker/smaller guys because they don't know how to officiate him.

You mention something I saw in the ISU game. It looked to me like Haas was very careful about not using his hands in the post and also was keeping his arms up and forward to avoid the chicken wing calls on drop steps. Gotta go watch again.

 

[tjreese]

Keith Ericson was 6'5" and a heck of a player and probably the top beach volleyball player at the time. Wooden also had two great NBA guards. If you remember, Jabbar played probably the greatest small forward, Dr. J who was on 6'7", and beat him in a televised 1 on 1 game.

Haas shot 75% for the game and Iowa State shot 30% from 3. When Haas was in there the first half, Purdue took control of the game. They could not stop them. When Burton was guarded by Biggie, I think he got 1 basket, because could go out on him and stop the jump shot knowing Haas was under for the rebound and to stop the drive. The only one scoring was Thomas. Cline was playing Thomas and was in his face playing good D, but imagine if Haas was in for Cline and Vince guarded Thomas. The extra 3 inches would have been gigantic IMO.

Let's take the other scenario which is better for you statistically. Against Vermont, Haas did not shoot that well and Vermont was making their 3's. But aha, Purdue took control of the game, when HAAS was in there and we played the 3 bigs together. Lane hit the only 3, but then fouled Biggie and was pulled. With Haas at center; Biggie went wild as PF and Vince went crazy at SF. Vermont was intimated inside and got out of their shooting rhythm and they got 0 offensive boards.

Our trying to match up by going small was our folly. My point was not that Haas is as good as Alcindor, but Wooden whether he had Alcindor, Walton or Nater would have been an idiot to try and match up and go small. If the Gail Goodrich squad played the Alcindor squad, who do you think would win even with the 3 point line?

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you missed what I said. Wooden won before Alcindor and his team was smaller than 6'4" I think. UCLA got on Butler's schedule due to Hinkle allowing UCLA to play East coast teams at midpoint...and brother-in-law has pics of Walt Hazard when they played. Wooden was always about finesse, but all that is another thread...and liked small ball skills. Your stats are confounded because you are assuming what Haas did when Iowa State played a non perimeter player with a perimeter player later in the game...AND that is why Haas couldn't play. The perimeter players do NOT have to receive the ball to go and do NOT have that risk...they can just go and if not get to the rim, get a foul and get into double bonus early which now makes them even more effective in driving the ball and shooting the three. Passing to Haas could be a turnover and could catch it and lose it with quicker players as we have seen numerous times this year. He might not have done any of that and the Iowa ?State players may not have taken him in space since they were already in small ball, but what do you think?

YOU cannot equate totally different personnel and assume that transends to different personnel in different junctures. You can surmise that could happen, but using stats is irrelevant when you do that. If you want to believe that...I can go along in "some" teams...but Iowa State is not one and so we will just agree to disagree and hope Purdue plays another great game...

The UCLA teams back then got 2 points not three and there was no double bonus, no shot clock and no protection on the perimeter like today

 

[mediaexpert]

You mention something I saw in the ISU game. It looked to me like Haas was very careful about not using his hands in the post and also was keeping his arms up and forward to avoid the chicken wing calls on drop steps. Gotta go watch again.

Yes, I mentioned in the Vermont game how Haas had two hands on the ball with his elbows out and swung his body to execute the drop step to the basket and was called for an offensive foul. This is exactly the way he should have been taught and unless he swung his elbows (he did not) this is legal.

I hope Painter gave the refs an earful over that one. The posters here ironically complained that Haas did not go to the basket. This was a good reason.

 

[mediaexpert]

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you missed what I said. Wooden won before Alcindor and his team was smaller than 6'4" I think. UCLA got on Butler's schedule due to Hinkle allowing UCLA to play East coast teams at midpoint...and brother-in-law has pics of Walt Hazard when they played. Wooden was always about finesse, but all that is another thread...and liked small ball skills. Your stats are confounded because you are assuming what Haas did when Iowa State played a non perimeter player with a perimeter player later in the game...AND that is why Haas couldn't play. The perimeter players do NOT have to receive the ball to go and do NOT have that risk...they can just go and if not get to the rim, get a foul and get into double bonus early which now makes them even more effective in driving the ball and shooting the three. Passing to Haas could be a turnover and could catch it and lose it with quicker players as we have seen numerous times this year. He might not have done any of that and the Iowa ?State players may not have taken him in space since they were already in small ball, but what do you think?
YOU cannot equate totally different personnel and assume that transends to different personnel in different junctures. You can surmise that could happen, but using stats is irrelevant when you do that. If you want to believe that...I can go along in "some" teams...but Iowa State is not one and so we will just agree to disagree and hope Purdue plays another great game...
The UCLA teams back then got 2 points not three and there was no double bonus, no shot clock and no protection on the perimeter like today

I did not miss what you said. My first sentence referred to Keith Ericson, who was 6'5". He later got Wilt Chamberlain into beach volleyball.

I don't understand your other point. If Iowa State was hot and shooting 40% from 3, I am saying NP that Haas could still charge out and run them off the 3, because then Biggie could slip down and cover the drive. However, that was not necessary, because there was NO point in the game when Iowa State had 5 3 point shooters who were hitting 40%. Even if they did, you are right that would mean an effective 60% FG%, but that was dwafted by Haas killing 75%. When did Haas lose it with a herd of quicker 6'4" players? He just need to anchor down low, catch the ball, keep it high and shoot.

Haas lost the ball when tall quick players surrounded him, but if he is in the game long enough he adjusts. He also lost the ball when tall quick players go through him to block the shot. This happened a couple of times this year and for some reason the refs let it go. On offense, common sense says that Haas will have shot even better than 75% in the 2nd half against the smaller lineups.

I guess you missed my other point where I said that Alcindor's team would beat Hazzard's team even with the 3 point shot.

As I continue to say, I think Matt has done a GREAT job all year with the exception of how he uses Haas. We have lost games when we have taken Haas out. Biggie is the best player in the country, Vince is playing a well balanced game, Dakota does so many things well, PJ is handling the ball and playing like a gnat on D and Carson is a great change of pace. Cline and Spike give us stability. However, we need Haas to get us to the finals. I am saying it was NO coincidence that we took control of both Vermont and Iowa State when Haas was in the game and I pray it has not hurt his confidence when we keep taking him out when he played well.

 

[todd brewster]

I did not miss what you said. My first sentence referred to Keith Ericson, who was 6'5". He later got Wilt Chamberlain into beach volleyball.

I don't understand your other point. If Iowa State was hot and shooting 40% from 3, I am saying NP that Haas could still charge out and run them off the 3, because then Biggie could slip down and cover the drive. However, that was not necessary, because there was NO point in the game when Iowa State had 5 3 point shooters who were hitting 40%. Even if they did, you are right that would mean an effective 60% FG%, but that was dwafted by Haas killing 75%. When did Haas lose it with a herd of quicker 6'4" players? He just need to anchor down low, catch the ball, keep it high and shoot.

Haas lost the ball when tall quick players surrounded him, but if he is in the game long enough he adjusts. He also lost the ball when tall quick players go through him to block the shot. This happened a couple of times this year and for some reason the refs let it go. On offense, common sense says that Haas will have shot even better than 75% in the 2nd half against the smaller lineups.

I guess you missed my other point where I said that Alcindor's team would beat Hazzard's team even with the 3 point shot.

As I continue to say, I think Matt has done a GREAT job all year with the exception of how he uses Haas. We have lost games when we have taken Haas out. Biggie is the best player in the country, Vince is playing a well balanced game, Dakota does so many things well, PJ is handling the ball and playing like a gnat on D and Carson is a great change of pace. Cline and Spike give us stability. However, we need Haas to get us to the finals. I am saying it was NO coincidence that we took control of both Vermont and Iowa State when Haas was in the game and I pray it has not hurt his confidence when we keep taking him out when he played well.

I think IH has the best +- for minutes played. IMO, he is definitely one of the top 4 players we cannot afford to get injured, have a terrible game or get into foul trouble. IMO we yanked him out way too often whenever he made a mistake during the season. IH had to learn from his mistakes and make adjustments and that is why I was hoping he would play at least 25 minutes a game even though I see only 3 or 4 here agree with me.

The reason we should be a final 4 team is that we have players that give 100% defensively. On offense, we have Spike and PJ who distribute the ball with many turnover. We have DM and RC who are great 3 point shooters. We have VE and CE who are fearless in driving the ball. We have IH who can post any center and CS who can post any power forward. Our inside outside game is second to none, so let's make sure we utilize it.