Projected 4 seed

[Wolegib]

IMO you'd have to be pretty hard-headed to claim that if this team comes back intact and adds DJ, Benter, and West, it's not one of the top five teams in the country next season. I'm not saying that MP and staff shouldn't go to the portal to address issues, fill gaps, and add security, but this will objectively be one of the most accomplished rosters in the country.

I’m not for or against adding portal players. I believe we will have 1-2 openings left. I’d like to see another 6’8 small forward and a big defensive oriented center to back up Jacobsen and clog the lane!

I really don’t know who will be available. I do know with Woodson leaving all of his players including Sisley could enter the portal.

Does IU have any other players Purdue could use? You guys seem to know a lot about IU players. Is there anybody on that team you’d like to have?

 

[Schnelk]

I've been skipping over your posts since the one I had agreed with until I just happened to read this one. Of course it has an error in it. You start off by saying it's good to have the best player in the conference and that player being a point guard. That's true for Cassius and arguably for Braden (season not over yet) but Yogi was never best player in the conference.

You should have ignored him way back when.

 

[Bank Shot Podcast]

I liked Valentine but he was a bust in the NBA. What did Yogi do in the NBA?

As for the seeding I prefer either the 3rd seed or lose another game and hope we drop to the 6th seed. I want to avoid the 4th/5th seed at all costs

Yogi had a short but good stint in the league. A lot of time overseas. Valentines NBA career seems to be reduced to one play as a Bull and it's kinda hilarious(the play itself).

 

[BBG]

I think what makes it a rebuilding year more than losing Zach would be the fact that Painter had to completely change the way this team plays offense and defense. New schemes, different philosophies on how to attack and defend, new roles for new players…all rebuilds.

100% agree and you said it better than me

 

[TwinDegrees2]

I would prefer being 3rd or 6th. I feel if we are 4th, we’ll be used to fill out a bracket and could be sent out west or some other bracket with bad matchups. If we are seeded 6th, expectations will be lower and we can sneak up on some teams. And the 3 against 6 seed team will be the same 2 teams and probably on the same court

Won't happen. With video capabilities today, with other tools, and being a runner up last year, no one will overlook us this year. We've been shown to be weak at the 3 and 4, that our bench is mediocre at best, and that the heart of this program for this season is sitting on the 3rd toilet of the locker room in Gainbridge. Purdue will be lucky to win one game in the show this year. But the boys will certainly be rested.

 

[northside100]

Won't happen. With video capabilities today, with other tools, and being a runner up last year, no one will overlook us this year. We've been shown to be weak at the 3 and 4, that our bench is mediocre at best, and that the heart of this program for this season is sitting on the 3rd toilet of the locker room in Gainbridge. Purdue will be lucky to win one game in the show this year. But the boys will certainly be rested.

For all the complaint about lack of depth and drop off after the top three (not just by you), it’s funny that when we’ve lost this year, it’s generally because the big three play like shit.

Yes, more support would be helpful, but your best players also need to show up.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

For all the complaint about lack of depth and drop off after the top three (not just by you), it’s funny that when we’ve lost this year, it’s generally because the big three play like shit.

Yes, more support would be helpful, but your best players also need to show up.

True to a point. When you best ain't your best someone else needs to step up and on this team, that doesn't happen because the bench is so weak.

 

[Wolegib]

You can kiss the #4 seed good bye. it'snot because we lost. But rather the way we looked in losing.

we had issues beating USC.

 

[northside100]

True to a point. When you best ain't your best someone else needs to step up and on this team, that doesn't happen because the bench is so weak.

That’s some generalistic nonsense. You tell me what team with two superstars and a high-level third guy consistently wins when all three play poorly.

 

[Wolegib]

That’s some generalistic nonsense. You tell me what team with two superstars and a high-level third guy consistently wins when all three play poorly.

I’m not so sure Purdue has two superstars.

Look at any good or bad team. A bad team in college will still score 50-60 points. And someone on that team has to score some points in order for the team to score those 50 points. And if you only have 2 players on your team taking any shots, the logic is those two players combined will score 50 points. Divide the 50 points by two and you will see those two players scoring 20-25 points each.

Just because a player scores 20-25 points a game doesn’t make them a superstar. It just means nobody else on the team was involved enough to score.

Rather than having two superstars what I see is two guys Hogging the ball and the scoring opportunities. As I said, bad teams still score 50 points And somebody on that team has to score!

Great players make others around them great. I’m not seeing tKr or Braden making anybody else look great. They are just trying to take the weight of the team on their shoulders. And carry the team. The rest of the team is not involved and is often just watching those two players.

What does tkr do besides take shots and score?

What does Brandon do other than give the ball to Tkr? And take shots to score?

Should Loyer really be a starter?

 

[BBG]

I’m not so sure Purdue has two superstars.

Look at any good or bad team. A bad team in college will still score 50-60 points. And someone on that team has to score some points in order for the team to score those 50 points. And if you only have 2 players on your team taking any shots, the logic is those two players combined will score 50 points. Divide the 50 points by two and you will see those two players scoring 20-25 points each.

Just because a player scores 20-25 points a game doesn’t make them a superstar. It just means nobody else on the team was involved enough to score.

Rather than having two superstars what I see is two guys Hogging the ball and the scoring opportunities. As I said, bad teams still score 50 points And somebody on that team has to score!

Great players make others around them great. I’m not seeing tKr or Braden making anybody else look great. They are just trying to take the weight of the team on their shoulders. And carry the team. The rest of the team is not involved and is often just watching those two players.

What does tkr do besides take shots and score?

What does Brandon do other than give the ball to Tkr? And take shots to score?

Should Loyer really be a starter?

Proving once again you don't know squat.

 

[msfboiler3]

Just because you don't believe it, doesn't change the perception put on Purdue. They still entered with the guy considered the best in the conference. They were considered the best team in the Big Ten. They started the year ranked Top 15. Expectations are built on perception. Purdue was considered to still be that good because they were returning Smith, Loyer and TKR and Matt Painter was still the coach.

It looks like we are regressing which is always a bad look and fuels a lot of bad things on and around the team. The b10 schedule got tougher at the end but thats not all of it.

 

[krazychicagod]

We will be a 5 seed. Outside shot at a 6.

This is the worst defense in the entire country at opponent 2 pt fg%. Worst. In. The. Country.

It was at like 56% entering the usc tourney game and michigan just shot like 65% from 2 against us.

I have never seen a worse defense in my entire life. Not a single bit of stopping the dribble or help defense on the dribble.

This is painters worst coaching job since being here and its not close

 

[rgarlitz]

We will be a 5 seed. Outside shot at a 6.

This is the worst defense in the entire country at opponent 2 pt fg%. Worst. In. The. Country.

It was at like 56% entering the usc tourney game and michigan just shot like 65% from 2 against us.

I have never seen a worse defense in my entire life. Not a single bit of stopping the dribble or help defense on the dribble.

This is painters worst coaching job since being here and its not close

I don't know if this is Painter's worst coaching job, but I agree the defense completely unraveled down the stretch.

For all the talk about the offense stagnating and the need for more scoring off the bench, the defense has been the big story, in my opinion.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I don't know if this is Painter's worst coaching job, but I agree the defense completely unraveled down the stretch.

For all the talk about the offense stagnating and the need for more scoring off the bench, the defense has been the big story, in my opinion.

147th in defensive efficiency since February......Painter knows he and the team have their work cut out for them.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Purdue dropped to 19th overall in KenPom ratings, 7th offensively and 62nd defensively.

Prior to last night's game, Purdue was 16th, 8th offensively and 55th defensively. Those metrics in recent tournaments have shown a lot of losses in Round of 32. I think frankly, the metrics show more that Purdue's rise in defensive efficiency in January was the outlier for the season, and with 20/20 hindsight, the schedule/competition had something to do with that.

I'll be surprised if it's anything but the 4/5 line, but given all the other conference tournaments, maybe Purdue ends up on the 5 line instead of 4.

 

[pubill]

You can kiss the #4 seed good bye. it'snot because we lost. But rather the way we looked in losing.

we had issues beating USC.

How you look, has nothing to do with it, its your body of work. That Ala win in Nov still gets us plenty of help.

 

[rgarlitz]

Purdue dropped to 19th overall in KenPom ratings, 7th offensively and 62nd defensively.

Prior to last night's game, Purdue was 16th, 8th offensively and 55th defensively. Those metrics in recent tournaments have shown a lot of losses in Round of 32. I think frankly, the metrics show more that Purdue's rise in defensive efficiency in January was the outlier for the season, and with 20/20 hindsight, the schedule/competition had something to do with that.

I'll be surprised if it's anything but the 4/5 line, but given all the other conference tournaments, maybe Purdue ends up on the 5 line instead of 4.

At this point, my gut says that if Purdue makes it to the Round of 32 it will be disaster avoided. If Purdue makes it to the Sweet 16 it will be a feel good ending. Anything beyond the S16 is obviously gravy.

That said, this team looks worn out and could very well be susceptible to an athletic mid major playing with a lot of confidence, like we've seen in the recent past.

 

[Poprudy]

I don't know if this is Painter's worst coaching job, but I agree the defense completely unraveled down the stretch.

For all the talk about the offense stagnating and the need for more scoring off the bench, the defense has been the big story, in my opinion.

Hey some believe Myles and Cam are good at defense. The team collectively is horrible. I can't believe justifying anyone good on defense....... decent, but not good.

 

[northside100]

I’m not so sure Purdue has two superstars.

Look at any good or bad team. A bad team in college will still score 50-60 points. And someone on that team has to score some points in order for the team to score those 50 points. And if you only have 2 players on your team taking any shots, the logic is those two players combined will score 50 points. Divide the 50 points by two and you will see those two players scoring 20-25 points each.

Just because a player scores 20-25 points a game doesn’t make them a superstar. It just means nobody else on the team was involved enough to score.

Rather than having two superstars what I see is two guys Hogging the ball and the scoring opportunities. As I said, bad teams still score 50 points And somebody on that team has to score!

Great players make others around them great. I’m not seeing tKr or Braden making anybody else look great. They are just trying to take the weight of the team on their shoulders. And carry the team. The rest of the team is not involved and is often just watching those two players.

What does tkr do besides take shots and score?

What does Brandon do other than give the ball to Tkr? And take shots to score?

Should Loyer really be a starter?

I agree conceptually with your concept of 'empty stats on bad teams'. Obviously Purdue's top three guys were horribly inefficient on offense last night. The rest of your post feels like a cry for attention and I'm sure someone will bite and give it to you, but it won't be me.

 

[northside100]

At this point, my gut says that if Purdue makes it to the Round of 32 it will be disaster avoided. If Purdue makes it to the Sweet 16 it will be a feel good ending. Anything beyond the S16 is obviously gravy.

That said, this team looks worn out and could very well be susceptible to an athletic mid major playing with a lot of confidence, like we've seen in the recent past.

I'm a broken record at this point but I agree, if this team doesn't shoot it well they can lose to anyone.

 

[northside100]

Purdue dropped to 19th overall in KenPom ratings, 7th offensively and 62nd defensively.

Prior to last night's game, Purdue was 16th, 8th offensively and 55th defensively. Those metrics in recent tournaments have shown a lot of losses in Round of 32. I think frankly, the metrics show more that Purdue's rise in defensive efficiency in January was the outlier for the season, and with 20/20 hindsight, the schedule/competition had something to do with that.

I'll be surprised if it's anything but the 4/5 line, but given all the other conference tournaments, maybe Purdue ends up on the 5 line instead of 4.

Serious question, if you're on the 4/5 line do location and matchups matter more than the actual seed?

 

[rgarlitz]

Hey some believe Myles and Cam are good at defense. The team collectively is horrible. I can't believe justifying anyone good on defense....... decent, but not good.

I think Myles is--or at least can be.

But, like Royal Tenenbaum, that's just one man's opinion.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

How you look, has nothing to do with it, its your body of work. That Ala win in Nov still gets us plenty of help.

Yeah - they got away from that last ten games record stuff and look at the season as a whole without weighting any recency bias. Probably fairest way......now, I think they do still look at impact of recent injuries on seeding.