Pre Camp Predictions

[boiler17]

By the end of camp:

Starting QB: Etling will be taking 60% of first team snaps. Blough is still young, Appleby doesnt have the arm. They wont decide on a starter until a week or two before the first game.

RB rotation will be Green starting with Knox backing him up. Jones will get a lot of press but not get significant pt with 1s or 2s.

Starting WR 1: Mahoungou WR 2: Hart. Last year shattered my confidence in Yancey and Posey.

Starting TE 1: Jurasevich 2: Anderson by default. Hopkins takes his role later.

Starting Safety opposite Williams will be Gregory? I could buy Austin Logan too.

I think in general this staff will default to the ideal size/strength they are looking for. I get the feeling they arent big fans of the roster as is, and dont seem to be interested/able to use guys in roles they are comfortable with. As speed was to Hope, strength/size will be to Hazell.

Offensive scheme: Ground and pound from 2013 with a spread wrinkle given lack of TE.

Most improved players: Replogle and Knox

I'm unaware of good defensive questions.

 

[Bullwhip Griffith]

Originally posted by boiler17:

By the end of camp:

Starting QB: Etling will be taking 60% of first team snaps. Blough is still young, Appleby doesnt have the arm. They wont decide on a starter until a week or two before the first game.

RB rotation will be Green starting with Knox backing him up. Jones will get a lot of press but not get significant pt with 1s or 2s.

Starting WR 1: Mahoungou WR 2: Hart. Last year shattered my confidence in Yancey and Posey.

Starting TE 1: Jurasevich 2: Anderson by default. Hopkins takes his role later.

Starting Safety opposite Williams will be Gregory? I could buy Austin Logan too.

I think in general this staff will default to the ideal size/strength they are looking for. I get the feeling they arent big fans of the roster as is, and dont seem to be interested/able to use guys in roles they are comfortable with. As speed was to Hope, strength/size will be to Hazell.

Offensive scheme: Ground and pound from 2013 with a spread wrinkle given lack of TE.

Most improved players: Replogle and Knox

I'm unaware of good defensive questions.

QB-I think Appleby gets the nod. Etling seems to have lost his confidence. Blough will back up with Etling as third.

HB: I think Green, Knox, and Jones all do a platoon system.

WR: No idea. Too bad JuCo Young isn't here. My guess is he, Mahoungou and Anthrop are the three next year.

TE: If they go blocking, Jurasevich is the man, but I still hope Carajaval can get healthy enough to play

S: Williams will be a corner, with Logan, Gregory and Cason fighting for the two safety spots.

 

[boiler17]

Originally posted by Bullwhip Griffith:

QB-I think Appleby gets the nod. Etling seems to have lost his confidence. Blough will back up with Etling as third.

HB: I think Green, Knox, and Jones all do a platoon system.

WR: No idea. Too bad JuCo Young isn't here. My guess is he, Mahoungou and Anthrop are the three next year.

TE: If they go blocking, Jurasevich is the man, but I still hope Carajaval can get healthy enough to play

S: Williams will be a corner, with Logan, Gregory and Cason fighting for the two safety spots.

I would love to see Carlos on the field. I stood next to him last year and he was freakishly thin. Hope would have gotten him on the field, but I have a hard time seeing him in Hazells offense. Although, the lastest roster lists Carlos at 233, and Im guessing thats from the start of the 2014. If he is healthy and puts on 15 lbs I could easily buy him as a significant contributor.

I also struggle to think Anthrop will contribute much next year. I have this gut feeling like they will rush him back too soon.

Williams at corner again huh? I could see that as the current staff is certainly recruiting taller corners. I hope the safeties you outline are up for the challenge.
This post was edited on 2/24 12:19 PM by boiler17

 

[Bullwhip Griffith]

Originally posted by boiler17:

Originally posted by Bullwhip Griffith:

QB-I think Appleby gets the nod. Etling seems to have lost his confidence. Blough will back up with Etling as third.

HB: I think Green, Knox, and Jones all do a platoon system.

WR: No idea. Too bad JuCo Young isn't here. My guess is he, Mahoungou and Anthrop are the three next year.

TE: If they go blocking, Jurasevich is the man, but I still hope Carajaval can get healthy enough to play

S: Williams will be a corner, with Logan, Gregory and Cason fighting for the two safety spots.

I would love to see Carlos on the field. I stood next to him last year and he was freakishly thin. Hope would have gotten him on the field, but I have a hard time seeing him in Hazells offense. Although, the lastest roster lists Carlos at 233, and Im guessing thats from the start of the 2014. If he is healthy and puts on 15 lbs I could easily buy him as a significant contributor.

I also struggle to think Anthrop will contribute much next year. I have this gut feeling like they will rush him back too soon.

Williams at corner again huh? I could see that as the current staff is certainly recruiting taller corners. I hope the safeties you outline are up for the challenge.
This post was edited on 2/24 12:19 PM by boiler17

Regarding Carajaval a few people on KHC mentioned that he is getting bigger...but you can't tell looking at photos of him on twitter.

I hope Anthrop makes it back, we saw how the offense fell apart once he left, and Knauf is already done.

I think the Williams move is more about lessening the risk for concussions than anything. Cason looks the part (met him after the WMU game last year) but I don't know who else they have without flipping some corners around.

 

[JHetfield99]

My W.A.G. is Danny will be the starter again in August and I think we platoon the RB position and bring back the fullback and go with more or a west coast base than spread.

 

[JBoiler14]

Originally posted by boiler17:

By the end of camp:

Starting QB: Appleby will win the job due to being the only qb with any success with the team.

RB: I want to say Green but they like the runnning backs to have a certain speed to them, so I think it will be Knox, and Green backing him up and the carries will be something like 60% Knox, 35% Green, and Jones will start out with mop up duty

Starting WR 1: Mahoungou WR 2: Yancey. Talked about having size at wide receiver, and I still have hope for Yancey.
Starting TE 1: Jurasevich 2: Carajaval. Big tight end, who deserves the chance to prove himself

Starting Safety opposite Williams will be Gregory? I hope


Offensive scheme: A run based spread, that bangs it inside and hits on short passes to bring in the defense, and with improved wide receiver we can actually send people deep once we do that.
Most improved players: Replogle and Knox

I'm unaware of good defensive questions. Replogle 4 mvp

 

[ghostoffatjack]

Didn't know arm strength made any difference in running Shoops's dink and dunk passing offense.....lol!

Seriously now is the time that anyone can have an idea on what will happen with the starting line-up as many players are thinking they can move up and be number 1 too. Comes down to who does the work, how they perform in the spring and how they play in the fall and contribute to a win or a loss early in the season to stay there or be moved.

I'll repeat an old saying "If you think you have two QB's you really have none".... one needs most if not all the reps with the first team in the spring and fall to put him in the best position for Purdue to win! JMO

 

[Dr_billy_badass]

It's my hope that Burke is fully healthy and breaks out, especially considering everyone seems to have forgotten about him.

 

[boiler17]

Originally posted by ghostoffatjack:
Didn't know arm strength made any difference in running Shoops's dink and dunk passing offense.....lol!

Seriously now is the time that anyone can have an idea on what will happen with the starting line-up as many players are thinking they can move up and be number 1 too. Comes down to who does the work, how they perform in the spring and how they play in the fall and contribute to a win or a loss early in the season to stay there or be moved.

I'll repeat an old saying "If you think you have two QB's you really have none".... one needs most if not all the reps with the first team in the spring and fall to put him in the best position for Purdue to win! JMO

Whole heartedly agree. They need to pick a guy early in spring imo.

Shoop actually had a decent deep threat incorporated into his offense until accuracy became such a huge issue. Cant say I blame him for dropping it, but he should throw a couple more downfield to keep the secondary off the line of scrimmage.

Aside from that, of course any one can have any idea right now. Its an especially wide open team, and thats what makes predicting it fun.

Doc,

I debated including Burke on the TE's. I think he will need another year before hes ready. I think Burke and Carlos could contribute but only if one works with what they are instead of demanding they be something else. I dont think either will be ready for that.

 

[Bullwhip Griffith]

Originally posted by boiler17:

Originally posted by ghostoffatjack:
Didn't know arm strength made any difference in running Shoops's dink and dunk passing offense.....lol!

Seriously now is the time that anyone can have an idea on what will happen with the starting line-up as many players are thinking they can move up and be number 1 too. Comes down to who does the work, how they perform in the spring and how they play in the fall and contribute to a win or a loss early in the season to stay there or be moved.

I'll repeat an old saying "If you think you have two QB's you really have none".... one needs most if not all the reps with the first team in the spring and fall to put him in the best position for Purdue to win! JMO

Whole heartedly agree. They need to pick a guy early in spring imo.

I doubt they will. I think the staff wanted Sindelar to be the guy this spring, but his injury won't allow it. My guess is that the competition will go into fall camp (again) with a switch occurring if the team stumbles out of the gate.

 

[nat100]

Originally posted by Bullwhip Griffith:

Originally posted by boiler17:

Originally posted by ghostoffatjack:
Didn't know arm strength made any difference in running Shoops's dink and dunk passing offense.....lol!

Seriously now is the time that anyone can have an idea on what will happen with the starting line-up as many players are thinking they can move up and be number 1 too. Comes down to who does the work, how they perform in the spring and how they play in the fall and contribute to a win or a loss early in the season to stay there or be moved.

I'll repeat an old saying "If you think you have two QB's you really have none".... one needs most if not all the reps with the first team in the spring and fall to put him in the best position for Purdue to win! JMO

Whole heartedly agree. They need to pick a guy early in spring imo.

I doubt they will. I think the staff wanted Sindelar to be the guy this spring, but his injury won't allow it. My guess is that the competition will go into fall camp (again) with a switch occurring if the team stumbles out of the gate.

Id almost bet my house on it going into camp.

 

[boiler17]

Originally posted by Bullwhip Griffith:

I doubt they will. I think the staff wanted Sindelar to be the guy this spring, but his injury won't allow it. My guess is that the competition will go into fall camp (again) with a switch occurring if the team stumbles out of the gate.

Yup, I think this is exactly what they will do. That paired with the loss of Hunt and Mostert makes me think we are in for a 1-2 win season. One of ISU and Bowling Green along with a big ten team.

Not that Hunt and Mostert were that great, but Green, Knox, and whoever arent going to be able to make guys pay with long runs for missing a gap, and I doubt sincerely the passing game can keep the defense from stacking the box.

For me next year comes down to if the team is actually buying in and getting tougher. If they are, the defense could be a 30th-50th ranked unit and the oline can help overcome some offensive identity issues to get to 6ish wins. I obviously dont see any significant development but it could be happening.

 

[Bullwhip Griffith]

Originally posted by nat100:

Originally posted by Bullwhip Griffith:

Originally posted by boiler17:

Originally posted by ghostoffatjack:
Didn't know arm strength made any difference in running Shoops's dink and dunk passing offense.....lol!

Seriously now is the time that anyone can have an idea on what will happen with the starting line-up as many players are thinking they can move up and be number 1 too. Comes down to who does the work, how they perform in the spring and how they play in the fall and contribute to a win or a loss early in the season to stay there or be moved.

I'll repeat an old saying "If you think you have two QB's you really have none".... one needs most if not all the reps with the first team in the spring and fall to put him in the best position for Purdue to win! JMO

Whole heartedly agree. They need to pick a guy early in spring imo.

I doubt they will. I think the staff wanted Sindelar to be the guy this spring, but his injury won't allow it. My guess is that the competition will go into fall camp (again) with a switch occurring if the team stumbles out of the gate.

Id almost bet my house on it going into camp.

Would you bet the Fett?

 

[nat100]

Originally posted by Bullwhip Griffith:

Originally posted by nat100:

Originally posted by Bullwhip Griffith:

Originally posted by boiler17:

Originally posted by ghostoffatjack:
Didn't know arm strength made any difference in running Shoops's dink and dunk passing offense.....lol!

Seriously now is the time that anyone can have an idea on what will happen with the starting line-up as many players are thinking they can move up and be number 1 too. Comes down to who does the work, how they perform in the spring and how they play in the fall and contribute to a win or a loss early in the season to stay there or be moved.

I'll repeat an old saying "If you think you have two QB's you really have none".... one needs most if not all the reps with the first team in the spring and fall to put him in the best position for Purdue to win! JMO

Whole heartedly agree. They need to pick a guy early in spring imo.

I doubt they will. I think the staff wanted Sindelar to be the guy this spring, but his injury won't allow it. My guess is that the competition will go into fall camp (again) with a switch occurring if the team stumbles out of the gate.

Id almost bet my house on it going into camp.

Would you bet the Fett?

In the original packaging or slightly used?

 

[Bullwhip Griffith]

Originally posted by nat100:

Id almost bet my house on it going into camp.

I just don't know they do that every year, the QB competition. I know it keeps all parties working hard, but it seems to really hinder development at the same time.

Sad to say, but I think it was Curtis Painter's junior year when he was the clear favorite to be the QB leaving Spring Camp. Since then it's been:

Elliot vs Siller
TerBush vs Marve
Henry vs TerBush vs Marve
Henry vs Appleby vs Etling
Appleby vs Etling

Now: Appleby vs Etling vs Blough vs Sindelar

 

[boiler17]

Originally posted by Bullwhip Griffith:

Originally posted by nat100:

Id almost bet my house on it going into camp.

I just don't know they do that every year, the QB competition. I know it keeps all parties working hard, but it seems to really hinder development at the same time.

Sad to say, but I think it was Curtis Painter's junior year when he was the clear favorite to be the QB leaving Spring Camp. Since then it's been:

Elliot vs Siller
TerBush vs Marve
Henry vs TerBush vs Marve
Henry vs Appleby vs Etling
Appleby vs Etling

Now: Appleby vs Etling vs Blough vs Sindelar

This staff struggles with it more than most.

Unless there is a clear cut rock star on the roster, the obvious preference, I prefer competition. I think Etling and Appleby compliment each other well in ability and attitude.

This staff just takes it too far and rolls out crazy simple offenses that cant execute basics. I think the lingering QB competition is a symptom of the larger coaching ineptitude, not a direct cause of poor offenses.

 

[spoiledboiler2000]

QB: Blough - until we have a consistent route running and catching, we will be a heavy run team. Blough gives us another weapon in the back-field.

RB: Yancey - 1, Green - 2, Knox - 3 - Jones - 4 - Why? To be different. This will be a good competition this Spring.

WR: Knauf - 1 Philips - 2, Hart - 3 - Knauf comes back healthy, Philips and Hart get settled in to college ball and start producing.

TE: Jurasevich - 1, ?? - 2

Starting Safety opposite Williams will be Gregory? I could buy Austin Logan too. - (I agree)

 

[nat100]

Originally posted by spoile...er2000:
QB: Blough - until we have a consistent route running and catching, we will be a heavy run team. Blough gives us another weapon in the back-field.

RB: Yancey - 1, Green - 2, Knox - 3 - Jones - 4 - Why? To be different. This will be a good competition this Spring.

WR: Knauf - 1 Philips - 2, Hart - 3 - Knauf comes back healthy, Philips and Hart get settled in to college ball and start producing.

TE: Jurasevich - 1, ?? - 2

Starting Safety opposite Williams will be Gregory? I could buy Austin Logan too. - (I agree)

Knauf is done playing football.
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[ghostoffatjack]

One definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over again and expecting a difference outcome. QB carousel has to end! Set an offense, pick the best QB to execute it and give him the majority of the reps with the first team in the spring and the fall! We've seen the previous years rotation of QB's in the spring and fall, some due to injury and some to musical chairs!

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

Do you think Blough will even get a chance to show what he can do in a game?

 

[Bullwhip Griffith]

Originally posted by FLAG HUNTER:

Do you think Blough will even get a chance to show what he can do in a game?

Knowing this staff he will: Purdue will start 2-5 with no offense. Blough will come in at the end of the fifth lose and do well then start game 8...which Purdue will win. Then by the end of the 3-9 season he will be stating that Sindelar is the future.

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

I hope to be at the spring game this year and watch what Blough can do, hope one of them light it up this year

 

[oliverkelly]

Leroy Clark has been moved to safety for the spring and will add to the competition for the starting safety spots. So it will be Clark, Logan, Gregory, Roberts, Cason...in that order IMO. I believe what will seperate them is the ability to check in and out of plays and recognize opposing formations.

 

[boiler17]

Originally posted by oliverkelly:

Leroy Clark has been moved to safety for the spring and will add to the competition for the starting safety spots. So it will be Clark, Logan, Gregory, Roberts, Cason...in that order IMO. I believe what will seperate them is the ability to check in and out of plays and recognize opposing formations.

If true, thats awesome. Clark seemd to have good awareness and body control, and I hoped he would play more last year. I wish he was 6 foot or higher but whatever.

 

[oliverkelly]

Although they term the positions strong and free, all of the safeties cross train and therefore no one guy is really pigeon holed as a strong or a free. They will play the two best safeties IMO. Plus with Frankie Williams and Anthony Brown locking down the corner spots that should free up the safeties to help LBs in coverage and stay over the top (or in our case the middle). Plus with the implementation of some of the Steeler D, I'm hoping that we get adequate pressure up front to ease the burden on the DBs.
Leroy Clark would be the smallest (height wise) safety besides Brandon Roberts (weight wise) but we can't forget Clark had double digit INTs his senior year playing safety. Seems like a wise move during the Spring to see if he sticks...only Logan has an actual start and game experience.
This post was edited on 2/25 11:55 AM by oliverkelly

 

[boiler17]

Originally posted by oliverkelly:
Although they term the positions strong and free, all of the safeties cross train and therefore no one guy is really pigeon holed as a strong or a free. They will play the two best safeties IMO. Plus with Frankie Williams and Anthony Brown locking down the corner spots that should free up the safeties to help LBs in coverage and stay over the top (or in our case the middle). Plus with the implementation of some of the Steeler D, I'm hoping that we get adequate pressure up front to ease the burden on the DBs.
Leroy Clark would be the smallest (height wise) safety besides Brandon Roberts (weight wise) but we can't forget Clark had double digit INTs his senior year playing safety. Seems like a wise move during the Spring to see if he sticks...only Logan has an actual start and game experience.

This post was edited on 2/25 11:55 AM by oliverkelly

Im ahead of myself, I know, but I hope Clark turns out to be a Terrel Vinson (I think thats his name). He was short too, but was so good I didnt care.

I know offense has struggled more than defense, but I see them as roughly equally bad until they start manufacturing qb pressure quasi regularly. Awefully tough to play effective D when you cant influence the timing of a play.

 

[BBG]

Sadly it doesn't really matter who our QB is until Shoop is gone.

 

[boiler17]

Originally posted by BBG:
Sadly it doesn't really matter who our QB is until Shoop is gone.

Ugh, this again...

QB is easily the most important position in any sport, save pitcher perhaps? Im not a baseball guy.

Of course it matters who plays QB. The failings of all three QBs to consistently throw a timing route or a half way accurate pass is huge.

I respect the point that its Shoop/Hazells fault that all qbs regress into high school sophmores under their instruction, but thats very different than 'it doesnt matter who plays'. Even if Shoop/Hazell just realized they are really bad at their job and need to change their instruction methods/scheme, whether they play Appleby, Etling, or Blough shapes the future in very different ways.

 

[Stacy_GoldandBlack.com]

Y'all are forgetting Cole Herdman at TE. The staff loves him. He'll be in the top two this spring, I'd suspect.

 

[boiler17]

Originally posted by Stacy_GoldandBlack.com:
Y'all are forgetting Cole Herdman at TE. The staff loves him. He'll be in the top two this spring, I'd suspect.

Nice! I didnt know that. Those weights are were last updated at the start of the 2014 season?

 

[BBG]

Originally posted by boiler17:

Originally posted by BBG:
Sadly it doesn't really matter who our QB is until Shoop is gone.

Ugh, this again...

QB is easily the most important position in any sport, save pitcher perhaps? Im not a baseball guy.

Of course it matters who plays QB. The failings of all three QBs to consistently throw a timing route or a half way accurate pass is huge.

I respect the point that its Shoop/Hazells fault that all qbs regress into high school sophmores under their instruction, but thats very different than 'it doesnt matter who plays'. Even if Shoop/Hazell just realized they are really bad at their job and need to change their instruction methods/scheme, whether they play Appleby, Etling, or Blough shapes the future in very different ways.

I disagree that it matters. Simply because there is no evidence to suggest that the staff will call plays to the respective QB's strengths nor is there evidence to show the staff can do anything but regress the QB as the season goes on.

Simply put a the QB doesn't matter if the entire offense isn't used efficiently or correctly. We can agree to disagree and thats fine, there is just no evidence to change my opinion right now.

 

[boiler17]

Originally posted by BBG:

Originally posted by boiler17:

Originally posted by BBG:
Sadly it doesn't really matter who our QB is until Shoop is gone.

Ugh, this again...

QB is easily the most important position in any sport, save pitcher perhaps? Im not a baseball guy.

Of course it matters who plays QB. The failings of all three QBs to consistently throw a timing route or a half way accurate pass is huge.

I respect the point that its Shoop/Hazells fault that all qbs regress into high school sophmores under their instruction, but thats very different than 'it doesnt matter who plays'. Even if Shoop/Hazell just realized they are really bad at their job and need to change their instruction methods/scheme, whether they play Appleby, Etling, or Blough shapes the future in very different ways.

I disagree that it matters. Simply because there is no evidence to suggest that the staff will call plays to the respective QB's strengths nor is there evidence to show the staff can do anything but regress the QB as the season goes on.

Simply put a the QB doesn't matter if the entire offense isn't used efficiently or correctly. We can agree to disagree and thats fine, there is just no evidence to change my opinion right now.

Agree, but what I hear you saying is that it matters less. That much I very much agree with.

For example, no way Etling makes the respectible showing against Minny that Appleby did. He hit several very tight windows for key plays and stood tall in the pocket. A loss is a loss, but at least I got to watch 3.75 fun quarters, and that game was a good confidence builder.

Plus I think among the biggest problem they have is rushing guys out on the field before they are ready. If Appleby were to start this year and Etling and Blough shirt and develop chemistry with the young receivers in low impact situations, I think it would tremendously benefit 2016 and beyond. Short of Knauf and Anthrop, all receivers looked consistently lost and overpowered when running routes. They need to stop plugging pieces and develop a team.

Lastly, I would say that the offense Etling and Appleby got put into fit them well. Etling showed lots of promise with long passes in 2013, and the early 2014 offense really tried to set that up. Etling just couldnt hit any open receiver. Appleby clearly cant throw a good long ball so they quit trying that and gave him a ton of 5-10 yard routes to go along with an option to Hunt/Mostert. It was just Henry that was severly mismatched. The Etling and Appleby offenses were just so simple they couldnt really be effective. Plus the whole part where Etling and Appleby played really really poorly most Saturdays.

When everything seems to go wrong, a really simple good first step is needed; like effectively picking a qb.

 

[Stacy_GoldandBlack.com]

I'm assuming we'll get updated heights/weights at the start of spring practice in a couple weeks.

 

[BigTimeAt69]

My money is on Etling. Think he did a lot of maturing this year
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[nat100]

Originally posted by BigTimeAt69:
My money is on Etling. Think he did a lot of maturing this year
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Guess or still talk to people near the program?
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[brees4life]

It's clear this staff has something against appleby. Sad considering he was the only thing that made some of our season watchable.

I look forward to stacys reports again this year, she nailed a lot of it last year. With the staff clearly feeling some (not enough heat) I think we may get some more unvarnished opinions from gbi.

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[BigTimeAt69]

Originally posted by nat100:

Originally posted by BigTimeAt69:


My money is on Etling. Think he did a lot of maturing this year
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Guess or still talk to people near the program?

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Heard some rumblings that he has changed and is extremely focused . But who knows if that's going to lead to success.

Sometimes sitting out and taking it all in helps. He's definitely hungry
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[boiler17]

Originally posted by BigTimeAt69:


Heard some rumblings that he has changed and is extremely focused . But who knows if that's going to lead to success.

Sometimes sitting out and taking it all in helps. He's definitely hungry

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Thanks! I remember the write up on him growing up and rooting for Purdue. I hope his dream turns out in the end. I think next years ceiling is highest with him under center.

 

[Stacy_GoldandBlack.com]

I stand by everything we've written as "unvarnished" -- if that means we tell it like we see it, which I think we do.

This post was edited on 2/26 10:44 AM by Stacy_GoldandBlack.com

 

[boiler17]

Stacy, are your writing that stuff in responce to people calling what Shoop says as fluff? Just trying to connect the dots.