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Reasonable people can disagree on what tax policy should be. Unfortunately we only get one side of the debate from mainstream media.
 
Thanks for helping to prove my point. Fox, National Review, Tax Foundation are not really considered part of the MSM. They have a right leaning bias, and are described as conservative outlets (or in case of tax foundation libertarian with bias for lower taxes and less regulations).

The first article (CBS) is classic MSM analysis. Everything is framed as wealthy not paying their fair share. Just like Trump tax cuts were framed by democrats and the MSM as tax cuts for the rich.

NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post. That's essentially your traditional MSM. Everything is usually framed on democrat party terms. Sure online they will occasionally do check the box reporting of a story that is negative for democrats. But the negative stuff that gets repeated over and over and over is usually related to Republicans.

That group largely frames the narrative on a broad range of topics. So you get people repeating MSM talking points "lab leak is a fringe conspiracy theory", "Trump tax reform was only tax cuts for the rich". "Biden tax reform only impact a tiny % of people."

There is no balance in MSM. They simply reject the right leaning opinions of Fox, National Review etc. They rarely present that side of the story. Rather just focus on democrat party talking points.
 
I find it interesting that for 4 yrs, it was fine to spray venom due to politics, but today we should stop.

And yet, our President calls our country racist and that narrative needs to be re-enforced perpetually. Here’s a leader that could reduce venom from both sides, but he keeps stoking the fire. And the liberals love that he does it, much like the “deplorables” did the same with Trump.

The senate sits at a 50/50 split, but Biden is making sure the Republicans accept his framework. Not much “bipartisan” shown by Biden, so why should republicans tone down their venom?
You’re gonna have to show me where Biden called our country racist.

Also on your 2nd point …

 
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Agree .. not saying it’s a done deal by any stretch, but you have to at least acknowledge he appears to be trying to make it bi-partisan.
Its bi partisan if you stop there with this bill. But if you just pass through everything Biden compromised on in Bill 1.......in Bill #2 on a party line vote it wasn't really Bi-partisan.

And Biden and democrats have every right to pass whatever they can/want. They won the election. Elections have consequences. My only point is you can't evaluate if Bill #1 is bi partisan until you add the two bills together.

The Republicans probably got played a bit with this compromise package in bill #1. But when you are dealt a losing hand to start with, there arent a lot of options. Really the only hope for Republicans is democrat infighting on Bill #2, either sinks bill #2 or limits it to some extent. The former is unlikely, the latter likely.
 
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You’re gonna have to show me where Biden called our country racist.

Also on your 2nd point …

Biden got his first piece of infrastructure thru with bipartisan support, the rest he and the Democrats will ram thru reconciliation. So nice photo op, but Biden will still work to get the big package

If you have any doubt, here is a follow up article from the WSJ

But two hours later the President said he won’t sign the infrastructure bill unless the Senate also passes the other $3 trillion or more he has proposed in tax increases and multiple new entitlement programs.

 
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Ive read plenty of history, no doubt more than you.

If you study history then you know that civil conflicts are by and large caused by government over reach, or perceived government overreach. Both the American Revolution and the Civil War were caused by perceived government oppression. Both conflicts involved one party fighting for less government intrusion in their lives.
If you value freedom, then you must want "less" government. You MUST lean that way as the start to your thoughs "IF" freedom is paramount. Course, who knows what I would think or feel if I lived in a city? I'm pretty independent and the Electoral College recognizes that difference between rural and urban. Those old "white" guys were pretty smart.
 
Thanks for helping to prove my point. Fox, National Review, Tax Foundation are not really considered part of the MSM. They have a right leaning bias, and are described as conservative outlets (or in case of tax foundation libertarian with bias for lower taxes and less regulations).

The first article (CBS) is classic MSM analysis. Everything is framed as wealthy not paying their fair share. Just like Trump tax cuts were framed by democrats and the MSM as tax cuts for the rich.

NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post. That's essentially your traditional MSM. Everything is usually framed on democrat party terms. Sure online they will occasionally do check the box reporting of a story that is negative for democrats. But the negative stuff that gets repeated over and over and over is usually related to Republicans.

That group largely frames the narrative on a broad range of topics. So you get people repeating MSM talking points "lab leak is a fringe conspiracy theory", "Trump tax reform was only tax cuts for the rich". "Biden tax reform only impact a tiny % of people."

There is no balance in MSM. They simply reject the right leaning opinions of Fox, National Review etc. They rarely present that side of the story. Rather just focus on democrat party talking points.
fox is msm.
these were top search results/media, many of which were critical of the tax plan, and they were coming from a variety of viewpoints.
 
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So, he’s been serving Republicans for over 30s years …. Yeah, sounds like a RINO. Really?
My guess of what SDboiler1 was saying (and I waited for him to reply as to not put words in his mouth) is that there are MANY RINOs today...with a baseline comparison of a few decades ago. These republicans are not really conservatives when being republican meant being conservative. years ago..still republicans, but in name only...as are MANY today. That shouldn't be a surprise since schools and media have a left bend. I could be wrong, but that is my guess on his take...and he is right...many republicans are not as conservative as the party decades ago.

OTH Romney would be conservative in comparison to some on the left.
 
My guess of what SDboiler1 was saying (and I waited for him to reply as to not put words in his mouth) is that there are MANY RINOs today...with a baseline comparison of a few decades ago. These republicans are not really conservatives when being republican meant being conservative. years ago..still republicans, but in name only...as are MANY today. That shouldn't be a surprise since schools and media have a left bend. I could be wrong, but that is my guess on his take...and he is right...many republicans are not as conservative as the party decades ago.

OTH Romney would be conservative in comparison to some on the left.
As the left moves left, the RINOs move left.
 
My guess of what SDboiler1 was saying (and I waited for him to reply as to not put words in his mouth) is that there are MANY RINOs today...with a baseline comparison of a few decades ago. These republicans are not really conservatives when being republican meant being conservative. years ago..still republicans, but in name only...as are MANY today. That shouldn't be a surprise since schools and media have a left bend. I could be wrong, but that is my guess on his take...and he is right...many republicans are not as conservative as the party decades ago.

OTH Romney would be conservative in comparison to some on the left.
I guess the question is … what defines a true Republican/Conservative? For most of recent history (Reagan and both Bush presidents), Republican values have prioritized USA as the global defender of democracy and valued our seat at every significant international table.

The policy most specific to Trump of hard core nationalism and America First are not consistent with what the Republican Party has been for most of our lifetimes.

If following Trump makes you a true Republican, then ok, i see that definition, but i take a longer view of what the party has always stood for (at least in my 50sh years on this earth).

Trump’s been all over the place in his career (was a very vocal pro choice person for a long time and supporter of multiple democrats). The only way he could win in 2016 was the Republican route. To me, he is more of a RINO.
 
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I guess the question is … what defines a true Republican/Conservative? For most of recent history (Reagan and both Bush presidents), Republican values have prioritized USA as the global defender of democracy and valued our seat at every significant international table.

The policy most specific to Trump of hard core nationalism and America First are not consistent with what the Republican Party has been for most of our lifetimes.

If following Trump makes you a true Republican, then ok, i see that definition, but i take a longer view of what the party has always stood for (at least in my 50sh years on this earth).

Trump’s been all over the place in his career (was a very vocal pro choice person for a long time and supporter of multiple democrats). The only way he could win in 2016 was the Republican route. To me, he is more of a RINO.
my guess on SDBoiler1 as well is my own take is that TRump wasn't a conservative in many respects...just closer than Mitt. Trump did like or at least proposed "traditional values" and that is conservative in a social realm. In some regards you could say the Bush takes were pretty traditional socially, but they were bigger spenders and taxers than Trump and so I would say that BOTH Bush presidents were more RINO than Trump, but perhaps none as conservative as Goldwater would have been. AGain, it is hard to define since you have fiscal and morality or social issues at play and one may have one and not so much on the other. I think I understand SDBoiler1, but perhaps I don't? Trump was much more a populist than the global take of the Bush terms. The focus on the US primary interests rather than a big boy's seat at the global party would also probably align with a conservative appeal. I lie between a Libertarian and Conservative on many things and so I naturally like smaller government which is a conservative staple...even if it is relative in measure... ;)
 
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I guess the question is … what defines a true Republican/Conservative? For most of recent history (Reagan and both Bush presidents), Republican values have prioritized USA as the global defender of democracy and valued our seat at every significant international table.

The policy most specific to Trump of hard core nationalism and America First are not consistent with what the Republican Party has been for most of our lifetimes.

If following Trump makes you a true Republican, then ok, i see that definition, but i take a longer view of what the party has always stood for (at least in my 50sh years on this earth).

Trump’s been all over the place in his career (was a very vocal pro choice person for a long time and supporter of multiple democrats). The only way he could win in 2016 was the Republican route. To me, he is more of a RINO.
Trump exposed the RINOs for what they are. A so-called Republican who would vote for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and their big-government lurching towards socialism, New World Order view-of-the-world, and open borders are not true Republicans, IMHO. Policies matter.

John Kasich, the Bushes, Bill Krystol, Max Boot, Mitt Romney, Rob Portman, Susan Collins, Murkowski, etc., etc. are RINOs in the truest sense of the word.
 
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Trump exposed the RINOs for what they are. A so-called Republican who would vote for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and their big-government lurching towards socialism, New World Order view-of-the-world, and open borders are not true Republicans, IMHO. Policies matter.

John Kasich, the Bushes, Bill Krystol, Max Boot, Mitt Romney, Rob Portman, Susan Collins, Murkowski, etc., etc. are RINOs in the truest sense of the word.
Lol … Trump has flip flopped so many times its hard to keep track. He goes with whatever party serves his purposes at the time.

 
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John Kasich, the Bushes, Bill Krystol, Max Boot, Mitt Romney, Rob Portman, Susan Collins, Murkowski, etc., etc. are RINOs in the truest sense of the word.
That is probably why they leave the GOP. A lot ( maybe 10 to 25 %) of republicans can't relate to what the GOP has become. Oh by the way , you left out Liz Cheney.
 
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That is probably why they leave the GOP. A lot ( maybe 10 to 25 %) of republicans can't relate to what the GOP has become. Oh by the way , you left out Liz Cheney.
Yet more Latinos and Blacks and first time voters voted for Trump than any R candidate in history.

There were people who voted against Trump more than they voted for Biden. Some of these people will vote R again as long as Trump is not the R nominee.
 
There were people who voted against Trump more than they voted for Biden. Some of these people will vote R again as long as Trump is not the R nominee
I'm not so sure about those people voting R again. By your definition, I am a rino. I will not vote at all until the rhetoric is toned down coming from the right. I mean you use to be able to call it just politics but it has progressed much farther than that. You can tell by the tone coming from this board. Anyways I probably won't ever vote again and it doesn't bother me a bit to say that.
 
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I'm not so sure about those people voting R again. By your definition, I am a rino. I will not vote at all until the rhetoric is toned down coming from the right. I mean you use to be able to call it just politics but it has progressed much farther than that. You can tell by the tone coming from this board. Anyways I probably won't ever vote again and it doesn't bother me a bit to say that.
Honest question. If you aren’t voting again, why are you even here? The left and the right are both using charged rhetoric. In fact, I’d say the left is worse than the right at present when it comes to the rhetoric.
 
That is probably why they leave the GOP. A lot ( maybe 10 to 25 %) of republicans can't relate to what the GOP has become. Oh by the way , you left out Liz Cheney.
It is reasonable to expect what you state? I’m guessing there are many to fill in those spots. I don’t know the numbers off the top of my head, but believe Trump and Biden under the very many special election alterations received more votes than any predecessor in each party? I think most would believe Trump was much less affected by the special alterations than Biden. It does make sense that Trump would carry more counties than Biden due to population demographics and so no surprise there. However, for Biden to get more votes than Obama while carrying far less counties than Obama…even if you ignore the excitement for Obama and the dullness of Biden’s run seems to indicate that Trump is on solid ground…at least with those thoughts in mind.

Am I missing something to indicate that Trump has less support than he did in 2020 by losing 10-25 percent? Seriously, how do I reconcile what I stated with losing 10-25%, unless my previous data points are in error?
 
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I find it interesting that for 4 yrs, it was fine to spray venom due to politics, but today we should stop.

And yet, our President calls our country racist and that narrative needs to be re-enforced perpetually. Here’s a leader that could reduce venom from both sides, but he keeps stoking the fire. And the liberals love that he does it, much like the “deplorables” did the same with Trump.

The senate sits at a 50/50 split, but Biden is making sure the Republicans accept his framework. Not much “bipartisan” shown by Biden, so why should republicans tone down their venom?
Are you implying that you aren't feeling all warm & fuzzy with Biden at the helm? I distinctly remember him telling us that he was going to unite the country, if he got elected. How that he's President, he tells us that the biggest threat to our country is White Supremacists with Global Warming being 1b.

The government is now teaching Critical Race Theory in our schools and even worse, they're forcing it down the throats of our military. When esprit de corps and unity are one of the most critical things the military needs to function effectively, why is this government seeking to divide them along racial lines and turn them against each other? It's sad, when our military leadership will risk the country to save their careers.

I can't blame Gr8 for bailing on political discussions. If I had been dumb enough to vote for Biden, I'd want to run away from the blowback, too. The empty suit in the WH has not made one correct decision yet. Or should I say, the people that are controlling Biden haven't made one correct decision yet. Sadly, if Biden were unable to finish his term, I fear that Kamala would be worse. She loves the power, but doesn't want to be bothered by actually doing the work.

Trump may have been obnoxious, but his policies were sound. The mid term elections can't get here soon enough, but I fear the Radical Left will have done irreparable damage to our country by then.
 
I know right...they thought if they declared total war on us for 4 years, and could just get rid of the bogyman Trump, everything would be peachy keen. Trump is a symptom, and guess what? The disease is getting worse. Things are just getting started.
Trump was an outsider, who couldn't be controlled by the establishment, so he had to be crushed by all means necessary. The establishment Reps & Dems had a good working relationship, so they could fleece the nation's treasury, enrich themselves and occasionally throw us a few crumbs to keep us off their backs.

Trump was the bull in the china shop and they had to put him down in such a spectacular fashion that other outsiders would think twice, before throwing their hat in the ring. The establishment expanded their hit list to also include any close associates of Trump, as well. For example, they just revoked Giuliani's law license.
 
Politics have never been civil. Getting politics out of your life is your choice. We have to live with government.

Simple as that.
The problem is that the Left keeps wanting to grow the government exponentially. It's not about governing for them, it's about exerting power & control. All you have to do is look at how the governors behaved, since Jan 2020.

-- The Dem Governors were all about lockdowns and control. They made it as restrictive as possible and they resisted giving up their control, as long as possible.

-- The Rep Governors locked down their states for far less time, tried to keep more businesses open and ultimately opened their states completely to allow their citizens the freedom of choice much earlier.

Biden is on a roll growing the size of government, He's adding over 70K new IRS agents and an undetermined number of new ATF & FBI agents. It's interesting to note the significant increase in Federal agents, while the Left is trying to defund local police departments. Hmmm?

The Founding Fathers envisioned a small central (Federal) government and strong State governments. The Left sees things a completely different way. It's all about centralized power and control.
 
The idea that Trump (or any elected official) was going to "get government out of our lives" is patently absurd.

But we choose whether or not we pay attention to politics.
I agree that no one will get government out of our lives, but whether you want to acknowledge it or not, Trump did cut a ton of Federal regulations, which eliminated a lot of petty requirements & expense from businesses, which allows them to sell their products at a lower price and still keep their profit margin.

I would love to see a President actually cut the size of government at least once, since that would save a ton of tax dollars, but the swamp creatures love to self perpetuate. In case you haven't noticed, Dems LOVE increasing the size of government, so they can intrude in every aspect of our lives and exert their control. If you value your individual freedom, you're an idiot, if you vote for a Dem. There was a time, when there were some Moderate Dems, who I would have considered voting for, but beyond Joe Manchin & Kyrsten Sinema, they are very rare.
 
I'm not saying to stop spraying venom and be nice about politics. I'm staying stop paying attention to it altogether. The difference between now and 50 years ago is just that CNN/Fox/Breitbart/Vox/etc. all exist for the sole purpose of fomenting and profiting off of your political outrage. 50 years ago, politicians said stupid shit daily, but you didn't read about it in near real-time like you do now whenever AOC or MTG or Tommy Tuberville or Bernie Sanders open their mouths.

The peak of my participation on this message board was decrying Obama and ACA, along with the Mike Brown shooting where I was defending the Grand Jury opting not to indict the officer there. That was every bit as pointless and not productive as anything I wrote about Trump.

Again, nothing to do with Trump for me personally, but if you choose to see everything as either for or against Trump, you're falling into exactly what I'm talking about: you're addicted to your outrage, and the cycle will never stop for you until you choose to make it stop.
There is either some revisionist history at play here or my memory is completely failing. For some reason, I can't seem to remember your opposition to Obama at all. I just remember the love fests that you had with qazplm on this board. I suppose you're going to tell us that qaz was opposed to Obama, as well?
 
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Like most here, they have come to the realization that trump is an idiot but would rather not talk about it........just his policies which they mostly agree with .......again like most here.
Your problem was that you were so triggered by Trump's personality, that you never took a second to consider his policies.

Trump had essentially solved the problem at our Southern border. Biden reversed the policy & we have chaos now.

With Trump, we achieved energy independence. Biden's policies destroyed that.

Trump stopped funding WHO, since they were Chinese puppets. Biden's funding them again.

Trump left the Paris Climate Accord, since it would cost us $Billions and provide no benefit to the US. We had complied and no one else did near as much as us and China was exempt until 2038. WTF? Biden has us back in. Why?

Trump put stiff sanctions on Iran and left the ridiculous Nuclear treaty. Iran continued refining uranium and wouldn't allow any inspection on military complexes. Why?
Biden wants to negotiate it with them again and Iran snubbed him.

Trump cancelled the Russian pipeline to Germany, which would have made the EU dependent on Russia for energy. A week before his meeting with Putin, Biden allowed the pipeline to be finished. Why would he not use the pipeline as a bargaining chip to get something from Putin? Stupid!

Trump had imposed a lot of stiff sanctions on Russia and the MSM called Trump, Putin's puppet.
Biden gave Putin his pipeline to Germany and stopped the weapons shipments to Ukraine and the MSM gushes about how tough Biden talked to Putin.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
 
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Just stop consuming it.
The old "Bury your head in the sand strategy". Yup, that's the best way to stay informed.

Our schools are currently being inundated with Critical Race Theory. Should those parents just ignore it and hope it goes away, or should they get involved and get that crap out of our school systems?
 
It just amazes me at the continued stupidity of people that say Biden's tax plan wont effect them because they only make xxx.
It's like them saying a Federally mandated increase in the minimum wage won't affect us. Apparently, a small business can increase labor costs and there will be no impact anywhere?
If costs go up, either profits go down or prices go up. The money has to come from somewhere. There is also a third alternative. Some people working at minimum wage will lose their jobs, so the business can stay afloat. I prefer to let the market decide wage rates. If someone has to establish a minimum wage, let it be the State, NOT the Federal Government, since state economies vary widely.

The Dems never seem to learn that if you raise taxes on Corporations or the very wealthy, they will tolerate it to some extent. If it gets onerous, they have the capacity to relocate to a more favorable tax environment. Currently, people are fleeing CA & NY and going to TX & FL for that reason. We had corporations going overseas to avoid our high Corporate taxes, as well. Trump lowering the Corporate tax rate brought a lot of them back.

Several years ago, France had elected a Socialist as their President. He imposed a 90% wealth tax on their Billionaires. When the vast majority of them left the country, he had to rescind the tax. He was NOT reelected.

Instead of raising taxes, why can't our politician cut spending? I dream of the day, when politicians will not only talk about cutting government, but actually do it. We could cut the Federal budget by 10% and institute a hiring freeze and I doubt that we should notice any impact on services. Of course the bureaucrats will defend their turf and make sure that we feel max pain, if their fiefdoms are threatened. It's a no win situation for taxpayers, when the government gets too big.
 
Agree .. not saying it’s a done deal by any stretch, but you have to at least acknowledge he appears to be trying to make it bi-partisan.
Good choice of words.

He's been in DC for 5 decades. Even in his addled state he understands the importance of optics. He makes a pretense at appearing to want bipartisan support. If he gets it - GREAT. If he doesn't, the Dens try to jam through another bill using reconciliation.

A lot of political theater.
 
Lol … Trump has flip flopped so many times its hard to keep track. He goes with whatever party serves his purposes at the time.

When dealing in construction & Real Estate in NYC, you have to be friendly with the Dem politicians, since they control virtually everything. Being a Dem in NYC was a good business decision.

As has been mentioned, Trump is not a Classic Conservative, but more of a populist, who was more interested in building up the USA, than trying to be a citizen of the World, like Obama.

We needed someone like Trump to get us focused on what a great country we live in, rather than despising it and wanting to tear it down, like the Left does. Trump was all over the spectrum politically, when he was younger. He was a lot more consistent, as President.
 
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That is probably why they leave the GOP. A lot ( maybe 10 to 25 %) of republicans can't relate to what the GOP has become. Oh by the way , you left out Liz Cheney.
And a lot of Dems went to the Republican side to vote for Trump, because they were concerned about the Left's move toward Socialism. After seeing what Biden is doing to the country, I anticipate a lot more people leaving the Dem party.
 
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I definitely don't participate there to the same extent, either. Back in the day when I was single and had nothing but time on my hands, the arguments were entertaining. Now they're just draining and pointless. Ain't nobody got time for that. It all accomplishes nothing but to sour your mood.

Thing is, you can consume Purdue sports without becoming outraged. It's just entertainment. While Fox News/CNN/et. al. are also just vying for entertainment eyeballs, people have a very tough time seperating the content from emotion. Those places and those evening shows feed on that outrage. They don't care about your well-being. They just want you to make an emotional attachment to what they're saying and tune in again tomorrow.

Unfortunately, my in-laws and other people I know are susceptible to it, and its made them markedly less enjoyable to be around. In the case of my in-laws, they've become basically hermits because they can't turn the stuff off.

We have to live with government (taxes, laws, etc.) as a fact of life - government will never go away, though less of it is good (IMO). Elimination of government is not the goal of either party, regardless of the name of the politician you elect. The idea that Trump (or any elected official) was going to "get government out of our lives" is patently absurd.

But we choose whether or not we pay attention to politics.


I agree with you. Reading this board, a lot of times is people getting outraged at something that a politician (that they don't like) says.

But it's rather silly. Many times, people get outraged without knowing the full context. Their predetermined position made them fill in the blanks and assumed they could mind-read what the politician intended. So they get outraged and make a big deal out of it. Then being in an echo chamber, their buddies who are doing the same mind-reading now find a convenient target to beat up, and feel righteous in the process.

I never want to live in such an echo chamber. Whenever I find myself in an echo chamber in which my view is the dominant view, I walk away (the exception is, of course, when it comes to fandom, which is by definition tribal). It's similar to "If you find yourself the best player at your park, find a new park."

Government will be part of our lives. The alternative is anarchy, which I don't think is a good idea. The real question we should ask is, "What level of government involvement is optimal for me and for society?" And then we can discuss the merits of government, what it should be doing and what we want it to provide, and what we do NOT want from the government. I tried to do it in a socialism thread, so that people can shift from just b!tching about their own version of socialism (usually some crazy monster they've created in their mind), to a more productive discussion on what kind of future we want to co-create.

Unfortunately, people in the echo chamber just wanna b!tch. They'll question my motive, act as if they can read my mind, and label me as a utopian Marxist who has some hidden agenda.

The only thing I disagree with you is that you can get away from politics. That is true only in a free society and it stays free. Again, I've lived in Hong Kong in the past, and I still pay attention to what's going on there. It used to be a free city. People had free speech and freedom to NOT speak. That has gone after China enacted a National Security Law. So now not only is free speech gone (their most popular newspaper was forced to shut down after the government charged them (i.e., not even trialed in court) for violating national security because they were outspoken against the government), but people lose the right to NOT speak. Government employees now have to swear about loyalty. School teachers will now have to teach alternative history or else they might lose their employment. You have to pledge your loyalty to support the government (in the name of patriotism). So in some country, it isn't your choice to stay away from politics. Politics is imposed on you and you can't run away.
 
I'm not so sure about those people voting R again. By your definition, I am a rino. I will not vote at all until the rhetoric is toned down coming from the right. I mean you use to be able to call it just politics but it has progressed much farther than that. You can tell by the tone coming from this board. Anyways I probably won't ever vote again and it doesn't bother me a bit to say that.
Based on your comment, are you saying that you're OK with the rhetoric coming from the Left? All you hear is an endless dialog about wealth envy, White privilege, race, racism, and systemic racism. Where is there anything in that narrative that will unite the people of this country? The answer is NOWHERE, since they are NOT trying to unite us.

The Dems want to sow as much racial animosity as they can and try to paint the Reps as White Supremacists to keep the Black voters on the Dem plantation. They've been doing it since the 1960's and are getting more frenetic about it now, as Black people get more educated and independent and realize they can succeed without government programs.

If you haven't figured it out yet, the Left's Identity Politics is the opposite of MLK's dream of wanting people to be judged by the content of their character, rather than the color of their skin.
 
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For 4 yrs, MSNBC, CNN and MSM went into “all out attack mode”, and it worked. I see the Republicans today as merely deciding to use the same tactics.

And the liberals would say for 8 years, Fox went "all out attack mode" on Obama, and it worked. What's the difference?

I try to bring the debate here to hear pros and cons, but obviously side mainly with conservatives

If you truly are about pros and cons, what is the pro of socialism? Nothing at all?

You don't have to like socialism, just like between capitalism and socialism I'll take capitalism all day. But I will seek to understand what socialism is really about, why some people want it, what issues it tries to address and etc., and then weighing the pros and cons and try to find an optimal balance where I can get the best of both worlds.



And I doubt “this stops...if I stop”.


We can only control about ourselves. We can only be the change that we want to see in the world.
 
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