Per FoxNews, its official: Texas and OK to SEC starting 2025

[Kern County]

You're still refusing to answer the question.

I stated that the determining factor for Mizzou not being admitted to the B1G was due to their very pedestrian academic record/reputation.

You chose to go on this unending crusade, INSISTING it was due to .... the "media spread".

Okay. Exactly what was the "media spread" you so confidently cited?

Exactly what was that number??? (So far, your answer is "I don't know".)

Mizzou’s academic reputation was not the determining factor in the Big 10’s decision to not consider them for membership. It wasn’t close to that. Among other things, they’re an AAU member, while Nebraska was leaving in the run up to their invitation to join. The BT Presidents didn’t care that UNL was leaving the AAU or that their academics weren’t on a par with other schools. Athletics and media spread drove that decision, as it has every other instance of conference expansion. Repeatedly, you have been wrong on that point.

And “media spread” has been defined for you by multiple posters here. The Big 10 under Jim Delany has consistently sought to broaden the conference’s reach (media spread) by attracting new television / media markets. No one except you denies this reality. It’s why Rutgers and Maryland were invited, along with UNL, and Mizzou and Pitt’s overtures of interest were summarily rebuffed. You may not like that reality, but it is the reality, no matter how much you deny what everyone else understands.

 

[Purdue85]

Mizzou’s academic reputation was not the determining factor in the Big 10’s decision to not consider them for membership. It wasn’t close to that. Among other things, they’re an AAU member, while Nebraska was leaving in the run up to their invitation to join. The BT Presidents didn’t care that UNL was leaving the AAU or that their academics weren’t on a par with other schools. Athletics and media spread drove that decision, as it has every other instance of conference expansion. Repeatedly, you have been wrong on that point.

And “media spread” has been defined for you by multiple posters here. The Big 10 under Jim Delany has consistently sought to broaden the conference’s reach (media spread) by attracting new television / media markets. No one except you denies this reality. It’s why Rutgers and Maryland were invited, along with UNL, and Mizzou and Pitt’s overtures of interest were summarily rebuffed. You may not like that reality, but it is the reality, no matter how much you deny what everyone else understands.

AAU... irrelevant. Already discussed. Their academics were a problem.

I didn't ask for the definition of "media spread", and you know that. I asked for the exact "media spread", which you used as evidence supporting your argument.

So. out with it. EXACTLY what was that "media spread"??

You don't know. Just admit it. That's ... "reality".

Again... what was the "media spread"??

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I’m not even interested in that if they stay. Would only be a matter of time before laughing stock Purdue got left on the outside looking In

We’re not getting kicked out of the B1G.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

We’re not getting kicked out of the B1G.

I said that? Teams could easily get their money and run at a later time

I can’t wait to ask you how you like all the ass kickings as they happen

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I said that? Teams could easily get their money and run at a later time

I can’t wait to ask you how you like all the ass kickings as they happen

They won’t leave if we add quality programs. We add programs like Kansas and Iowa State, they’ll leave.

 

[Kern County]

AAU... irrelevant. Already discussed. Their academics were a problem.

I didn't ask for the definition of "media spread", and you know that. I asked for the exact "media spread", which you used as evidence supporting your argument.

So. out with it. EXACTLY what was that "media spread"??

You don't know. Just admit it. That's ... "reality".

Again... what was the "media spread"??

Of course the AAU was irrelevant, as was any concern regarding Mizzou’s academics. Thanks for admitting you didnt know what you were talking about. And again, as you’ve been told by several posters, Mizzou delivered nothing new from a media spread standpoint. No new markets. Maryland delivered new markets. Nebraska delivered new markets. Rutgers delivered new markets. Penn State delivered new markets. Pitt didn’t deliver anything new. Mizzou didn’t deliver anything new. That’s why the first four were invited and the last two were told to wait in the lobby. Not sure why you continue to deny these facts.

 

[DAG10]

How bad has it been for Vanderbilt to be a part of the SEC? They're getting millions of $$$ a year because they're part of a strong conference. Do you really believe Vanderbilt would have any kind of meaningful program if they were part of a lower conference?

How about Northwestern? They were the laughing stock of the B1G in football for decades. The past couple of years they were one of the top teams in the B1G. Where would they be if they were outside the B1G?

So Vanderbilt makes a ton of money all while knowing it has zero chance of ever being remotely relevant...in its own conference, never mind nationally (at least with respect to what matters...football and basketball). Look at the coaching turnover it has had, and, frankly, barring Brad Stephens and Nick Saban having a strong desire to live in and work in Nashville, it will forever be that way. So they do make a ton of money...but, as a fan, it has to suck to know that you have no chance at all...ever...to do something that was at least possible previously (before this concept of a super conference, where even "top" teams are taking a step back from having a genuine opportunity for national success and recognition just for the sake of making more money.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

They won’t leave if we add quality programs. We add programs like Kansas and Iowa State, they’ll leave.

We will never agree on this

 

[Purdue85]

Of course the AAU was irrelevant, as was any concern regarding Mizzou’s academics. Thanks for admitting you didnt know what you were talking about. And again, as you’ve been told by several posters, Mizzou delivered nothing new from a media spread standpoint. No new markets. Maryland delivered new markets. Nebraska delivered new markets. Rutgers delivered new markets. Penn State delivered new markets. Pitt didn’t deliver anything new. Mizzou didn’t deliver anything new. That’s why the first four were invited and the last two were told to wait in the lobby. Not sure why you continue to deny these facts.

You're still trying too hard.

"Media spread" is an objective term. It has a value.


What was the "media spread"??

Still won't admit you don't know, which makes your argument completely baseless.

 

[purduepat1969]

I said that? Teams could easily get their money and run at a later time

I can’t wait to ask you how you like all the ass kickings as they happen

Gee, let's hope for a less competitive B1G so we can win meaningless games...

 

[purduepat1969]

So Vanderbilt makes a ton of money all while knowing it has zero chance of ever being remotely relevant...in its own conference, never mind nationally (at least with respect to what matters...football and basketball). Look at the coaching turnover it has had, and, frankly, barring Brad Stephens and Nick Saban having a strong desire to live in and work in Nashville, it will forever be that way. So they do make a ton of money...but, as a fan, it has to suck to know that you have no chance at all...ever...to do something that was at least possible previously (before this concept of a super conference, where even "top" teams are taking a step back from having a genuine opportunity for national success and recognition just for the sake of making more money.

Vanderbilt wasn't relevant prior to any changes. They wouldn't be relevant in any other Power 5 conference. But at least they get money to support their non-revenue sports. And the football and basketball players get a chance to compete against the best.

 

[FirstDownB]

Gee, let's hope for a less competitive B1G so we can win meaningless games...

We haven't beaten Wisconsin in the last 14 tries, Penn State the last 9, and Michigan State the last 8. We've lost to Nevada, Rutgers, and Eastern Michigan in the last 3 years alone. Let's start beating the teams we are supposedly too good for before complaining about any P5 opponent being a meaningless game.

 

[purduepat1969]

We haven't beaten Wisconsin in the last 14 tries, Penn State the last 9, and Michigan State the last 8. We've lost to Nevada, Rutgers, and Eastern Michigan in the last 3 years alone. Let's start beating the teams we are supposedly too good for before complaining about any P5 opponent being a meaningless game.

When Tiller was the coach, we were highly competitive and beat every one of them. Let's not confuse losing as a chronic issue with not having the right coach. We also beat Notre Dame numerous times when they were a premiere football program. Again, I'll ask, were you happy to see the Purdue/Notre Dame series cancelled?

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Gee, let's hope for a less competitive B1G so we can win meaningless games...

Let’s hope for a big where we get pasted all season long and Matt Millen is on tv like “you have to wonder how long teams Like Ohio state will want to play games like this”

 

[purduepat1969]

Let’s hope for a big where we get pasted all season long and Matt Millen is on tv like “you have to wonder how long teams Like Ohio state will want to play games like this”

Yeah, because we haven't been competitive with Ohio St ever...

 

[Riveting]

You claim you said they didn't own the conferences anything, then listed what they owe the "long time partners".

("Partners")

Money is the mothers milk of everything; politics, business, education, etc. It's an oversimplification to say it's all about money.

I've never made the claim (or held a position) that "being competitive in sports, in games, is more important to universities than honor". You know that, yet tried to attribute that to my position anyway.

You're overplaying the "honor" card. Neither you nor I know what kind of conversations have gone on behind the scenes.

Sorry, I missed your reply on Sunday.

I emphasized in-state partners like OK and OK state. They no doubt have a long tradition of doing much more in tandem than play football.

You said money is the mothers milk of everything - but then immediately said it is oversimplified to say it is all about money. You contracted yourself in the same paragraph.

On your 3rd paragraph, I was simply seeking clarification on your statement, "University leaders recognize you need to have money to remain competitive" Did you mean to remain competitive in sports - or competitive in academics - or what?

I understood the news to be that OK suddenly announced they were going and OK State was surprised and mad. But yes, I don't know what was going on behind the scenes - but whatever it was, it would have involved OK State saying to OK that you are leaving us in the lurch. That is where honor among partners and friends comes into play, in my view.

 

[FirstDownB]

When Tiller was the coach, we were highly competitive and beat every one of them. Let's not confuse losing as a chronic issue with not having the right coach. We also beat Notre Dame numerous times when they were a premiere football program. Again, I'll ask, were you happy to see the Purdue/Notre Dame series cancelled?

I'm not confusing anything. It has been 17 years since the end of that 8 year stretch where Purdue was a legitimate contender in the Big Ten. He beat OSU and ND while they were in down cycles. He began to struggle in his last years as the arms race starting heating up. It was 17 years before that to the prior championship window, which lasted about 3 years. That is 11 of the past 45 years that Purdue has legitimately competed (being very generous with that) for the Big Ten title with a single (shared) title to show for it. Let's not confuse winning like Tiller as the "norm" at Purdue. His results were on the high end of the spectrum with Hazell being on the low end. The results from Hope and Brohm (so far) are basically the norm. I just don't see that standing being improved with a tougher schedule. If and when the next Tiller/Brees combo comes around they probably don't finish higher than 4th or 5th in a mega conference.

I view Notre Dame on the schedule similar to scheduling any strong P5 OOC opponent on top of a P5 conference schedule. If they are on the schedule your other OOC games need to be highly winnable. Playing ND or OSU isn't the issue. Playing a team like that almost every week with fewer peers mixed in becomes an issue that is almost certain to disrupt the balance between maximizing revenue and competitiveness.

 

[Purdue85]

Sorry, I missed your reply on Sunday.

I emphasized in-state partners like OK and OK state. They no doubt have a long tradition of doing much more in tandem than play football.

You said money is the mothers milk of everything - but then immediately said it is oversimplified to say it is all about money. You contracted yourself in the same paragraph.

On your 3rd paragraph, I was simply seeking clarification on your statement, "University leaders recognize you need to have money to remain competitive" Did you mean to remain competitive in sports - or competitive in academics - or what?

I understood the news to be that OK suddenly announced they were going and OK State was surprised and mad. But yes, I don't know what was going on behind the scenes - but whatever it was, it would have involved OK State saying to OK that you are leaving us in the lurch. That is where honor among partners and friends comes into play, in my view.

No worries. Appreciate the follow up.

No, it's not a contradiction to recognize it takes money to run a successful athletic department. Not in the least. That's simply recognizing the obvious, and stating the obvious. That still doesn't make it all about the money.

I think you're significantly overplaying the "honor" card, but I get your point.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Yeah, because we haven't been competitive with Ohio St ever...

That gap will widen but it’s more so the idea of the last 6 weeks before Indiana being something like Michigan, Florida state, Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan state North Carolina …

id love listening to millen call the game by the time we got to UNC…

 

[New Pal Boiler]

That gap will widen but it’s more so the idea of the last 6 weeks before Indiana being something like Michigan, Florida state, Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan state North Carolina …

id love listening to millen call the game by the time we got to UNC…

Let’s join the B12 then. I heard they have some openings.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Let’s join the B12 then. I heard they have some openings.

Or we could just take four teams without them being FSU

from strictly a competitive standpoint I’d be down with a mix like Oklahoma state, North Carolina, duke and Kansas ..

Oh but that would make basketball tougher and that’s probably what you really don’t want huh

 

[purduepat1969]

Or we could just take four teams without them being FSU

from strictly a competitive standpoint I’d be down with a mix like Oklahoma state, North Carolina, duke and Kansas ..

Oh but that would make basketball tougher and that’s probably what you really don’t want huh

You probably loved when class basketball came into existence in Indiana... probably never watched Hoosiers either...

 

[BCfanatic2020]

You probably loved when class basketball came into existence in Indiana... probably never watched Hoosiers either...

Hoosiers is dope .. I’m not from Indiana

 

[Kern County]

You're still trying too hard.

"Media spread" is an objective term. It has a value.


What was the "media spread"??

Still won't admit you don't know, which makes your argument completely baseless.

You’re deflecting because your ”academics” argument is baseless. No reason to continue the exchange when you aren’t able to either support your position or understand the basis for why it was made. You’re willfully ignorant.

 

[DAG10]

Vanderbilt wasn't relevant prior to any changes. They wouldn't be relevant in any other Power 5 conference. But at least they get money to support their non-revenue sports. And the football and basketball players get a chance to compete against the best.

They had the chance to be relevant in football (and may have been with Franklin)...they had the chance as well, and were at times, in men's and women's basketball...look at what has happened just in recent years, and, it is only going to get worse moving forward.

Nobody cares at all about the non-revenue sports, and, they were relevant in the ones that they are prior to expansion anyway.

The only way they benefit is $$$...which, is great in that they are raking it in, but, it translates to literally nothing where it matters...on the field/court.

The "haves" only have more with the super-conference(s) and the "have nots" only become more irrelevant and a doormat. I still feel that the addition of Texas and Oklahoma is way more beneficial to those two schools than it is to the conference, aside of a bigger TV contract potentially...which seems to be the driving force of any/all decisions at this point (and, in the case of the B1G, unless it were to add ND, then they will not benefit in the same regard as there is nobody that will drive increased interest or have a significant positive impact on the reputation of the conference).

 

[purduepat1969]

They had the chance to be relevant in football (and may have been with Franklin)...they had the chance as well, and were at times, in men's and women's basketball...look at what has happened just in recent years, and, it is only going to get worse moving forward.

Nobody cares at all about the non-revenue sports, and, they were relevant in the ones that they are prior to expansion anyway.

The only way they benefit is $$$...which, is great in that they are raking it in, but, it translates to literally nothing where it matters...on the field/court.

The "haves" only have more with the super-conference(s) and the "have nots" only become more irrelevant and a doormat. I still feel that the addition of Texas and Oklahoma is way more beneficial to those two schools than it is to the conference, aside of a bigger TV contract potentially...which seems to be the driving force of any/all decisions at this point (and, in the case of the B1G, unless it were to add ND, then they will not benefit in the same regard as there is nobody that will drive increased interest or have a significant positive impact on the reputation of the conference).

Yeah, no one cares about non-revenue sports. Just ask those playing a non-revenue sport...

 

[FirstDownB]

Yeah, no one cares about non-revenue sports. Just ask those playing a non-revenue sport...

Non revenue sports are going to be ravaged regardless due to the expansion of NIL. Big donors of big money programs will be directing their dollars to the athletes they care most passionately about, football and men’s basketball. The divide between the P5 haves and have nots will continue to grow. Schools like Purdue will face tough decisions such as do we direct even more money to football in an attempt to compete with (read: prevent falling further behind) the big boys, or do we become Vandy and compete where we can, maybe basketball, diving, volleyball, and golf.

The power that schools like Purdue have is strength in numbers. There are more schools in the Big Ten with Purdue’s financial situation and ideals than there are OSU’s and UM’s. It would be most unfortunate to shift that balance by adding more of them.

 

[DAG10]

Yeah, no one cares about non-revenue sports. Just ask those playing a non-revenue sport...

Fair point, more so in having had a child participate in a non-revenue sport...I/we cared certainly, but, to suggest that the University did in any genuine way is not true.

Regardless, it was a poorly worded statement on my part.

 

[purduepat1969]

Non revenue sports are going to be ravaged regardless due to the expansion of NIL. Big donors of big money programs will be directing their dollars to the athletes they care most passionately about, football and men’s basketball. The divide between the P5 haves and have nots will continue to grow. Schools like Purdue will face tough decisions such as do we direct even more money to football in an attempt to compete with (read: prevent falling further behind) the big boys, or do we become Vandy and compete where we can, maybe basketball, diving, volleyball, and golf.

The power that schools like Purdue have is strength in numbers. There are more schools in the Big Ten with Purdue’s financial situation and ideals than there are OSU’s and UM’s. It would be most unfortunate to shift that balance by adding more of them.

Why would they be ravaged when TV money helps pay for them? NIL will have nothing to do with that. You've just made my point...

 

[purduepat1969]

Fair point, more so in having had a child participate in a non-revenue sport...I/we cared certainly, but, to suggest that the University did in any genuine way is not true.

Regardless, it was a poorly worded statement on my part.

We'll, the university did pay for the sport. I'm sure there's less priority vs revenue sports.

 

[Purdue85]

You’re deflecting because your ”academics” argument is baseless. No reason to continue the exchange when you aren’t able to either support your position or understand the basis for why it was made. You’re willfully ignorant.

Since you have such a SUPER intellect, I'll make this SUPER easy for you.

The "media spread" was __________.

(That's your cue to fill in the blank.)

GO!

 

[Kern County]

Since you have such a SUPER intellect, I'll make this SUPER easy for you.

The "media spread" was __________.

(That's your cue to fill in the blank.)

GO!

You’re only here to argue. You’ve been presented with overwhelming facts and you continue to ignore each and every one of them.. There’s really nothing else to discuss with someone of your ilk. Admit you were wrong and just move on.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

You’re only here to argue. You’ve been presented with overwhelming facts and you continue to ignore each and every one of them.. There’s really nothing else to discuss with someone of your ilk. Admit you were wrong and just move on.

Dude. Every time you come over here, you just get dunked all over. Like in this gem of a thread:


https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/hunter-johnson.146413/post-1779162

 

[Kern County]

Dude. Every time you come over here, you just get dunked all over. Like in this gem of a thread:


https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/hunter-johnson.146413/post-1779162

Dude, at least you’re smart enough to stay on the bench on this one. That’s progress.

 

[Purdue85]

You’re only here to argue. You’ve been presented with overwhelming facts and you continue to ignore each and every one of them.. There’s really nothing else to discuss with someone of your ilk. Admit you were wrong and just move on.

ah, c'mon. You're the one who took exception to my comment about academics, and absolutely INSISTED you were right and I was wrong. I made a statement, and you have been like a dog with a worn out bone, refusing to let go.

So, come on... it's an easy formula...especially for such a self-anointed intelligent poster like you:

"media reach" = ______________

GO!

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Dude, at least you’re smart enough to stay on the bench on this one. That’s progress.

Does it say “Wilson” or “Spalding” on your forehead?

 

[Kern County]

ah, c'mon. You're the one who took exception to my comment about academics, and absolutely INSISTED you were right and I was wrong. I made a statement, and you have been like a dog with a worn out bone, refusing to let go.

So, come on... it's an easy formula...especially for such a self-anointed intelligent poster like you:

"media reach" = ______________

GO!

I took exception to it because it was a complete falsehood. You were wrong, even as you argue futility otherwise. If you want to have a discussion, you’d be better off to being facts with you next time.

 

[Kern County]

Does it say “Wilson” or “Spalding” on your forehead?

Those of us on the field never worried about tackling dummies like you. We often didn’t even know your names.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Those of us on the field never worried about tackling dummies like you. We often didn’t even know your names.

LOL- sure thing big guy.

 

[Purdue85]

I took exception to it because it was a complete falsehood. You were wrong, even as you argue futility otherwise. If you want to have a discussion, you’d be better off to being facts with you next time.

Dude, you're full of sh*t. You keep changing your story, in an effort to avoid the obvious: With your superior intellect, you're STILL unable to complete a simple equation.

Here it is again, with a very simple fill-in-the-blank ...

"media reach" = ______________


GO!