Paul White

[nagemj02]

A former consensus top 75 player, Paul White, announced that he's transferring from Georgetown today. I believe he redshirted this past season (injury?), so it's possible that he would be immediately eligible. The frontcourt could use more solid player. If he can play right away, I think the coaching staff should pursue him. Some of you whose stances on bringing in one or two more quality players is foreign to me, what do you think?

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3149033/paul-white

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/1306

 

[boilerzz]

He's definitely worth taking a look at. Purdue recruited him out of high school so it is familiar. He will probably have a number of suitors unless there is baggage we are unaware of.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

A former consensus top 75 player, Paul White, announced that he's transferring from Georgetown today. I believe he redshirted this past season (injury?), so it's possible that he would be immediately eligible. The frontcourt could use more solid player. If he can play right away, I think the coaching staff should pursue him. Some of you whose stances on bringing in one or two more quality players is foreign to me, what do you think?

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3149033/paul-white

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/1306

I'm open to it subject to the staff doing their due diligence. I remember Painter falling out of the race for White fairly early and focusing on Vince Edwards and Bates-Diop. I also remember being impressed by his highlights.

I don't mind that he would have to sit out a year. He could get completely healthy, focus on his game, and give Purdue an athletic practice player. He would then have eligibility after Vince Edwards, Smotherman, and most likely Swanigan are gone.

That said, he would tie up a valuable scholarship and if the staff decides not to pursue him, I have no issue with that.

 

[nagemj02]

He's definitely worth taking a look at. Purdue recruited him out of high school so it is familiar. He will probably have a number of suitors unless there is baggage we are unaware of.

The thing I don't understand from reading articles today is that some are saying he would have to sit out the 2016-2017 season: did he not get cleared for a medical redshirt from Georgetown this past season? He only played in 7 games and then missed the rest of the season. If he was in fact granted a medical redshirt prior to today's transfer announcement, wouldn't that leave the door open for him to be cleared to play immediately this season at a new school?

 

[boilerzz]

I think you are mistaken on the reasons individuals can be cleared to play immediately. I don't think that is a reason.

 

[PUQBMan.]

Barring graduation or obtaining some sort of family hardship waiver, you have to sit out a year when transferring. What you did the previous year is irrelevant.

 

[nagemj02]

I think you are mistaken on the reasons individuals can be cleared to play immediately. I don't think that is a reason.

If a player has already sat out a season (in White's case, missing most of last season was related to his abdominal surgery done prior to the start of it), which is basically what he did, I would think he would have been granted a medical redshirt: I just haven't yet seen it verified in articles related to his transfer. If he was already granted a medical redshirt, then I wouldn't think that he would have to sit out a second-straight season now that he has decided to transfer.

 

[TC4THREE]

Takes two. We can be very interested but he might not be for any number of reasons. We could inquire and his response could be that he is looking to go somewhere with warmer weather all year around or that he wants to play somewhere he can start immediately.

Point is that just because we don't land a player that you deem would be good for the team doesn't mean we didn't inquire and doesn't mean we did anything wrong if he goes elsewhere.

 

[proudopete]

If a player has already sat out a season (in White's case, missing most of last season was related to his abdominal surgery done prior to the start of it), which is basically what he did, I would think he would have been granted a medical redshirt: I just haven't yet seen it verified in articles related to his transfer. If he was already granted a medical redshirt, then I wouldn't think that he would have to sit out a second-straight season now that he has decided to transfer.

Sitting out due to injury and sitting out due to transfer are two separate and completely unrelated things.
He would have to sit out a year per transfer rules just like anyone else. The fact that he sat out last year due to injury has zero to do with that.

 

[nagemj02]

I wasn't sure on that. Thank you for clearing that up.

 

[nagemj02]

He's off to Oregon. Nike has been very good for their recruiting.: http://registerguard.com/rg/sports/...ketball-adds-6-8-transfer-paul-white.html.csp

 

[B-Westy]

He's off to Oregon. Nike has been very good for their recruiting.: http://registerguard.com/rg/sports/...ketball-adds-6-8-transfer-paul-white.html.csp

Does anyone care?

 

[cprh9u]

Does anyone care?

I care. We are striking out so far in 2017, so getting a talented young guy like this that we targeted originally would have been a decent consolation prize. Assuming most on here feel the same way and care at least somewhat that White isn't coming here.

 

[B-Westy]

I care. We are striking out so far in 2017, so getting a talented young guy like this that we targeted originally would have been a decent consolation prize. Assuming most on here feel the same way and care at least somewhat that White isn't coming here.

Are we really striking out? Lol

 

[cprh9u]

Are we really striking out? Lol

If you read my comment, I had the caveat "so far" realizing it can change. But since we are missing on some top Indiana talent and guys CMP has been recruiting pretty hard, yes, I would say striking out so far is accurate. Would you say we are doing well based on 2017 commitments so far?

 

[B-Westy]

If you read my comment, I had the caveat "so far" realizing it can change. But since we are missing on some top Indiana talent and guys CMP has been recruiting pretty hard, yes, I would say striking out so far is accurate. Would you say we are doing well based on 2017 commitments so far?

I think you have little perspective on how recruiting works.

 

[TC4THREE]

I think you have little perspective on how recruiting works.

Agree.

 

[cprh9u]

I think you have little perspective on how recruiting works.

I will take that as a compliment coming from someone who thinks Painter is a good recruiter who is doing well so far in 2017.

 

[TC4THREE]

I will take that as a compliment coming from someone who thinks Painter is a good recruiter who is doing well so far in 2017.

Coming from someone who has judged a class that does not yet exist, I wouldn't worry about your evaluation.

 

[B-Westy]

I will take that as a compliment coming from someone who thinks Painter is a good recruiter who is doing well so far in 2017.

If only it was as easy as labeling a coach a "good or bad" recruiter. Wish that barometer existed.

 

[mathboy]

Why do we re-trod the same worthless paths, the same meaningless hang wringing every year? Last year's class was excellent, yet the same weird chorus was being sung on this board last year, about this time. "Painter can't recruit". "Nobody is coming to play basketball at our school". "All the good ones are getting away".

After a bit, I read some of these posts and have to ask WTF are some of you folks thinking? I get tired of the Bull Crap. Let's wait for everything to shake out before we publish premature/immature evaluations of our 2017 class.

I also have to smirk at the whole discussion about numbered positions in a motion offense. You know... "OMG, Carsen has to play the 1 and not the 2". "Vince is a 3 and not a 4" etc. What utter nonsense. Sorry guys, but those old time 1-5 numbers don't mean much once the ball is in play in Painter's offense. It is far too fluid for those positions to mean much. Nor do they mean anything on defense. A 3 or 4 can guard a 5. Hell, we have even had a 1 guard a 4-5 in the past *(Kramer).

 

[nagemj02]

Does anyone care?

Quite a few people have responded (yourself included), boilerzz expressed interest on the topic after I initially posted about it, and cprh9u made their answer clear, so I would say yes. Do you have anything of substance to add to this thread?

 

[BoiledSteel]

Coming from someone who has judged a class that does not yet exist, I wouldn't worry about your evaluation.

Plus if the wannabe coaches on here were any good at evaluating things, they wouldn't be posting about it here on a forum.

Mostly I just end up laughing at what they post because it is so extreme and baseless, it has to be a joke.

 

[BoiledSteel]

If you read my comment, I had the caveat "so far" realizing it can change. But since we are missing on some top Indiana talent and guys CMP has been recruiting pretty hard, yes, I would say striking out so far is accurate. Would you say we are doing well based on 2017 commitments so far?

We aren't doing good or bad yet because the class isn't done yet. There are plenty of great players out there outside of the state of Indiana. So no, your statement is far from accurate.

 

[*4purdue*]

If a player has already sat out a season (in White's case, missing most of last season was related to his abdominal surgery done prior to the start of it), which is basically what he did, I would think he would have been granted a medical redshirt: I just haven't yet seen it verified in articles related to his transfer. If he was already granted a medical redshirt, then I wouldn't think that he would have to sit out a second-straight season now that he has decided to transfer.

The fact that he medical redshirt doesn't have anything to do with it. If you transfer without cause, you still have to sit out again. Not sure if he would lose a year or if he could redshirt again (since last season was a medical). Either way, he could not play this year.

 

[nagemj02]

The fact that he medical redshirt doesn't have anything to do with it. If you transfer without cause, you still have to sit out again. Not sure if he would lose a year or if he could redshirt again (since last season was a medical). Either way, he could not play this year.

Yes, proudopete answered this the same way further up the thread about 2 weeks ago. Thank you for the re-clarification.

 

[Dakota Girl]

I also have to smirk at the whole discussion about numbered positions in a motion offense. You know... "OMG, Carsen has to play the 1 and not the 2". "Vince is a 3 and not a 4" etc. What utter nonsense. Sorry guys, but those old time 1-5 numbers don't mean much once the ball is in play in Painter's offense. It is far too fluid for those positions to mean much. Nor do they mean anything on defense. A 3 or 4 can guard a 5. Hell, we have even had a 1 guard a 4-5 in the past *(Kramer).

So freakin true! Guys need to learn about motion offense so they can intelligently argue against it if they don't like it.
I for one love motion offense and I am so glad we don't run a dribble drive offense exclusively. It bores me to tears.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

So freakin true! Guys need to learn about motion offense so they can intelligently argue against it if they don't like it.
I for one love motion offense and I am so glad we don't run a dribble drive offense exclusively. It bores me to tears.

I've seen Painter's offense look both beautiful and really ugly. It's all about execution and spacing. I think this year we will see the offense the way it is meant to be run, because Painter has such a smart and skilled team. I'm really looking forward to it.

 

[areshound]

We have been running the motion for years and had a few good teams for it(Moore, Johnson,Hummel... Plus others of course) so my question is this; how do we improve on that? How do we get better then those/that team/s? All this bickering has me pissed but what will it take to get better then that team?

 

[Dakota Girl]

We have been running the motion for years and had a few good teams for it(Moore, Johnson,Hummel... Plus others of course) so my question is this; how do we improve on that? How do we get better then those/that team/s? All this bickering has me pissed but what will it take to get better then that team?

No offensive system will make you better than a given team. Your players ability to execute whatever offense you run is the key to how good you are. The more capability those players have the better the team can be. This is why Duke, NC, Kansas, and Kentucky are always near the top. They all run differing offenses but they split up the majority of the 5 star talent every year. I just like motion because you must be able to think to run it. There is no memorized pattern or set plays (note that those are interspersed situationally) to follow. Players learn a set of rules which help them react to what the defense does and what their offensive teammates do. It is never the exact same thing possession after possession which makes it unpredictable when run well. It also requires players with brains.

 

[punaj]

No offensive system will make you better than a given team. Your players ability to execute whatever offense you run is the key to how good you are. The more capability those players have the better the team can be. This is why Duke, NC, Kansas, and Kentucky are always near the top. They all run differing offenses but they split up the majority of the 5 star talent every year. I just like motion because you must be able to think to run it. There is no memorized pattern or set plays (note that those are interspersed situationally) to follow. Players learn a set of rules which help them react to what the defense does and what their offensive teammates do. It is never the exact same thing possession after possession which makes it unpredictable when run well. It also requires players with brains.

Spot on Dakota Girl.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Why do we re-trod the same worthless paths, the same meaningless hang wringing every year? Last year's class was excellent, yet the same weird chorus was being sung on this board last year, about this time. "Painter can't recruit". "Nobody is coming to play basketball at our school". "All the good ones are getting away".

After a bit, I read some of these posts and have to ask WTF are some of you folks thinking? I get tired of the Bull Crap. Let's wait for everything to shake out before we publish premature/immature evaluations of our 2017 class.

I also have to smirk at the whole discussion about numbered positions in a motion offense. You know... "OMG, Carsen has to play the 1 and not the 2". "Vince is a 3 and not a 4" etc. What utter nonsense. Sorry guys, but those old time 1-5 numbers don't mean much once the ball is in play in Painter's offense. It is far too fluid for those positions to mean much. Nor do they mean anything on defense. A 3 or 4 can guard a 5. Hell, we have even had a 1 guard a 4-5 in the past *(Kramer).

Rose colored glasses? We didn't recruit well in 2016. We aren't getting the top targets for 2017. We get beat by freaking butler and iu. We've seen this song and dance before, a couple of productive classes followed by nothing. It's not bull crap. It's reality. No, vince can't guard a 5. No caleb can't guard a 3. If what you are saying is true, then Hammons and Haas should have been playing at the same time. We have a good team to get excited about this year, but that doesn't mean anything for next year or the year after.

 

[mathboy]

Rose colored glasses? We didn't recruit well in 2016. We aren't getting the top targets for 2017. We get beat by freaking butler and iu. We've seen this song and dance before, a couple of productive classes followed by nothing. It's not bull crap. It's reality. No, vince can't guard a 5. No caleb can't guard a 3. If what you are saying is true, then Hammons and Haas should have been playing at the same time. We have a good team to get excited about this year, but that doesn't mean anything for next year or the year after.

How many targets do we have? How many have we missed on? How many actual scholarships can we give out in 2017?

My expectation is that we will miss most of our targets, which is probably 20-25 kids. I think we might have actual offers out to more than 12-15 kids at this point. So... lets say we have 25 real targets and 4 openings, right? That means we can't get any higher than 20% anyway.

All I am saying is to hold off any evaluation until we see which kids we will get, before pronouncing doom and gloom. As for who can guard who, please watch a game or two with someone who can help you discern what our defense is doing. You might be surprised.

 

[77 grad]

I love Carsen as our entire 2016 class. One 5-11 kid to replace 7-foot AJ, his Big 10 Defensive Player of the Year predecessor Ray Davis and rent-a-guard Johnny Hill. We have enough good kids coming back -- and maturing -- that with just adding Carsen, I still think we will be just fine.

Still ... It's September and so far we've whiffed on our vaunted 2017 targets. Hope that changes.

 

[mathboy]

I love Carsen as our entire 2016 class. One 5-11 kid to replace 7-foot AJ, his Big 10 Defensive Player of the Year predecessor Ray Davis and rent-a-guard Johnny Hill. We have enough good kids coming back -- and maturing -- that with just adding Carsen, I still think we will be just fine.

Still ... It's September and so far we've whiffed on our vaunted 2017 targets. Hope that changes.

Sorry, but this is exactly the kind of post that just makes me cringe, so I am going to be fairly direct here. First, to paint a really gloomy picture, you post that Carson Edwards is the only addition to the team. Didn't we have a couple kids come off red-shirts too? Oh wait, that doesn't fit your agenda very well.

Second: Exactly how many 2017 targets did we whiff on? Your statement indicates we "whiffed" on all of out 2017 targets. I see where 2-3 kids have committed to other schools, right? Aren't there any other kids that might be considered our 2017 targets? Wow! Step away from the keyboard and eat a Snickers, will ya?

 

[BoiledSteel]

Step away from the keyboard and eat a Snickers, will ya?

Okay now that was funny.

 

[Inspector100]

Okay now that was funny.

Actually, I think a Snickers is too good for him.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

How many targets do we have? How many have we missed on? How many actual scholarships can we give out in 2017?

My expectation is that we will miss most of our targets, which is probably 20-25 kids. I think we might have actual offers out to more than 12-15 kids at this point. So... lets say we have 25 real targets and 4 openings, right? That means we can't get any higher than 20% anyway.

All I am saying is to hold off any evaluation until we see which kids we will get, before pronouncing doom and gloom. As for who can guard who, please watch a game or two with someone who can help you discern what our defense is doing. You might be surprised.

discern history. its on my side.

 

[mathboy]

discern history. its on my side.

You are probably right. If we had been better at recruiting, we would have a top 20 or top 15 team this year, oh, wait...

 

[boilerzz]

I love Carsen as our entire 2016 class. One 5-11 kid to replace 7-foot AJ, his Big 10 Defensive Player of the Year predecessor Ray Davis and rent-a-guard Johnny Hill. We have enough good kids coming back -- and maturing -- that with just adding Carsen, I still think we will be just fine.

Still ... It's September and so far we've whiffed on our vaunted 2017 targets. Hope that changes.

Technically added Carsen, Spike and Basil and lost AJ, Davis and Hill.