Parler App

[QuadBoiler]

Would be nice if we could have a discussion with different ideologies about a complex situation without you being a righteous dipshit about it

Are we disagreeing that some of the stuff on Parler (which is the content that led to these removals) is disgusting? Because I think that's what olas meant. Don't have stupid, disgusting, etc. content on your site and this isn't an issue. Don't think the names were directed towards people in this thread. Could be wrong though.

 

[tjreese]

If 230 is repealed Trump and lots of others won't have accounts on these sites because it will be too big of a risk to the companies that run them.

I don't have an informed opinion on the 230, but is it that twitter/fb/amazon etc. have too much "power or control" or that Parler is clearly outside the content of the others and would be more risk?

 

[Higgins]

Norm ... respectfully, do some more reading on this. Apple and Google asked them to enforce moderation controls against violence and other dangerous activity and they have so far not taken enough action to meet their asks.

It has nothing to do with free speech.

Respectfully, that is their excuse for doing this. I find it incredible how so many can’t see that it is what the 3 main tech giants are doing to prevent competition. That is what it is about. They are working together to help each other. There is a lot of stuff as bad or worse on Twitter and Facebook that they aren’t removing.

 

[ptree06]

Some of you are embarrassing examples of humanity. Just disgusting.

The first amendment prevents Congress from creating a law to infringe on free speech. Not private companies.

Section 230 protects private companies from being liable for what is posted on their sites. It does not prevent in any way the private companies ability to set rules for what can be shared on their site.

The Supreme Court has established if you provide a certain product or service to the public that you can not discriminate and not offer that same product or service based on discrimination.
This does not mean a business cannot kick people out or deny service to someone who violates their rules of service.
Using the gay couple wedding cake. Business must make a cake they would for anyone else. Business can deny the request if they want to place a cake topper of two people having sex on the cake.

Parlor did not put any rules in place to prevent the spreading of lies, hate, violence, and inciting more riots. So Google and Apple banned their product.
This is would be the same as if a coffee shop was holding Nazi meetings at their location. The owner of the building can terminate their lease.

Nobodies rights have been infringed. Here is a suggestion to those people. Stop being stupid, disgusting, terrible human beings.

There is definitely some radicalization going on in the Republican Party. I didn’t realize a lot of those right wing nuts are members here too.

The new Republican Party motto - let’s overthrow the federal government, and boycott or attack any person (ie Pence) or company (ie this thread) who tries to stop us from killing innocent people and taking over the country by force. Nobody is allowed to take any steps to hinder our organization efforts for our coup. What a great political party to be a part of!!

For the adults in the room, let’s just hope moderate Republicans can break off from the Trump radicals. If the Trumpers successfully radicalize the whole Conservative party, we’ll be in civil war within 10 years.

 

[Sophie1970]

When a website doesn’t moderate calls by people that are followed by millions of conspiracy theory loons to execute the VP, you don’t think those companies would be exposed to risk allowing that to happen?

If Trump or any of his people want to say something, they have a press briefing room and the largest news media network in the country.

You’re referring to Twitter, correct? Because I saw that about the VP on my Twitter feed. I was disappointed Twitter allowed that to be posted.

 

[Joetboiler]

Throw this into the conversation. How about when Purdue allowed activist Bill Ayers, the ADMITTED bomber but UNCONVICTED/NOT CHARGED from the Vietnam era (I believe Madison. WI was one of the targets....correct me if wrong), to speak about 4-5 years ago on campus? Does this make sense on a PUBLIC university paid for by tax $$$? Is this really free speech? Remember, he was violent and was unrepentent of the damage.

And him and his wife enjoy positions at Universities which take public money. Of course they come from very connected families.

 

[Bluto71]

I believe the First Amendment example of hollering "Fire" in a crowded theater, when there isn't a fire, is applicable here.

 

[Higgins]

They all have TOS that customers need to follow.

I won’t say conservatives, but Trumpians have become a more dangerous threat to the US than the Ayatollah. I just watched them invade our capital.

You need to go read Orwell again. It’s a lot closer to what Trump was trying to pull off.

And again — this is the system that Trump’s FCC wanted.

FYI, they have been watching the Ayatollah’s account lately too. Nice to see he’s treated like Trump.

Twitter removes ‘misleading’ tweet from Iran’s Ayatollah Khamenei

Twitter moved to block a tweet from Iran’s Supreme Leader after he cast doubt on the efficacy of the coronavirus vaccines and called US- and UK-made vaccines “completely untrustworthy&#…

nypost.com

I don’t think Trumpians are developing nuclear weapons.

 

[bear_down_chicago_89]

Respectfully, that is their excuse for doing this. I find it incredible how so many can’t see that it is what the 3 main tech giants are doing to prevent competition. That is what it is about. They are working together to help each other. There is a lot of stuff as bad or worse on Twitter and Facebook that they aren’t removing.

Respectfully disagree.

Parler competes with FB and Twitter.

Apple/Google/Amazon don’t really play in social media space (google has tried multiple times and failed).

You can say they are bowing to left/Dem pressure, but shutting down Parler is not anti-competitive for those companies.

 

[Boilers1975]

My Parler still works on my iPad.....I’ve been on Parler for a few weeks and have not seen any hate speech, but have seen hate speech on Facebook and Twitter. Guess it depends on who you’re hating on ?

 

[Joetboiler]

And if they started using it to arbitrarily ban people, there would be backlash. There are other places on the internet to discuss Purdue sports. If you don't like Apple or Google, you're screwed. They need to be not just broken up, but shattered into little tiny pieces. They have shown that they cannot be trusted to show any restraint with their power.

I switched to Duck Duck Go as my search engine. So has my wife. So as others i know. You get an amazing difference in returns and auto fills.

 

[Sophie1970]

Respectfully disagree.

Parler competes with FB and Twitter.

Apple/Google/Amazon don’t really play in social media space (google has tried multiple times and failed).

You can say they are bowing to left/Dem pressure, but shutting down Parler is not anti-competitive for those companies.

It just helps their agenda by shutting them down...

 

[Higgins]

I am absolutely for free enterprise and less government, but I'm even more in favor of our Constitutional Rights. I believe the whole Freedom of Speech thing was put in the Constitution, so differing political opinions could be openly voiced, without fear of censorship or retribution. It really appears that Big Tech is trying to suppress any speech that drifts a bit Right of center. There seems to be no limit on how far Left that speech can go, but tight controls on the other side. It looks a lot like censorship to me.

Some of you can feel smug that it's not affecting you, but when some of us lose our rights, it won't be too long, before more of you will as well. That's part of being in a Socialist Utopia. The state has all the rights and the people have none. Step by step, we are going the way of Venezuela and some of you are too indoctrinated or too dense to see it.

Very well said.

 

[Sophie1970]

I switched to Duck Duck Go as my search engine. So has my wife. So as others i know. You get an amazing difference in returns and auto fills.

Thank you for this suggestion; I’ll definitely give it a go.

 

[QuadBoiler]

Who determines what is “risky” speech? That’s the big question.

The tech companies would would make that determination whether 230 is in place or repealed... It's their privately developed platform, they can control who has access all they want and 230 would not change that. Repealing it would simply lead them to deny access to any person they considered a risk of posting something that could get them sued because they would be held liable for all content posted on their sites.

 

[faneidde]

When a website doesn’t moderate calls by people that are followed by millions of conspiracy theory loons to execute the VP, you don’t think those companies would be exposed to risk allowing that to happen?

If Trump or any of his people want to say something, they have a press briefing room and the largest news media network in the country.

On the same day they banned Trump, they allowed the account for the Chinese embassy in the US to tout the benefits of their Muslim concentration camps.

Twitter also did nothing to democrats who called for riots this summer. The damn ayotallah has a Twitter account. They don't censor the right and left equally.

 

[Swoosh13]

Are we disagreeing that some of the stuff on Parler (which is the content that led to these removals) is disgusting? Because I think that's what olas meant. Don't have stupid, disgusting, etc. content on your site and this isn't an issue. Don't think the names were directed towards people in this thread. Could be wrong though.

I doubt very many people in this thread give a damn about Parler, I certainly don’t. I don’t like the prescient though, think it’s a worth discussion

 

[Mustang100]

One of the events that lead up to today’s Parler situation was Lin Wood posting that Mike Pence needs to be hanged. Parler took it down. So, Parler also censors their site, just not as much as others. Are they, or aren’t they similar to Apple/Google/Facebook?

 

[Olas]

Would be nice if we could have a discussion with different ideologies about a complex situation without you being a righteous dipshit about it

That is fair, I meant to go back and delete my first sentence since I better addressed what I meant at the end of my post.
I typed it when I first started and intended to go back and clean it up, then forgot to.

 

[ptree06]

And if they started using it to arbitrarily ban people, there would be backlash. There are other places on the internet to discuss Purdue sports. If you don't like Apple or Google, you're screwed. They need to be not just broken up, but shattered into little tiny pieces. They have shown that they cannot be trusted to show any restraint with their power.

They would just move offshore and keep operating as normal.

Either way, Dems are in control now so you conservatives just have to suck it up for at least 4 years, cause nothing is happening to tech anytime soon. It’ll be tough to not be able to post “hang Mike Pence” online, but I’m sure you’ll survive.

Good news is you can always boycott all technology and turn Amish!! Or better yet, buy some servers and start your own tech company where violence and coup attempts are applauded!

 

[Higgins]

Parler doesn’t compete with Apple and Google. Parler is a business partner. You have two separate companies- competitors - who have decided to stop doing business with a common partner. By definition, that isn’t a monopoly.

Wrong take. Apple, Google, Twitter, and Facebook are working together to protect each other. Parler competes directly with Twitter and Twitter’s recent censoring of conservative thought and expression has directly caused millions to leave Twitter and go to Parler. Parler is a threat to Twitter and that is unacceptable. I think it is great that big tech and our government think we are all so stupid to think for ourselves and know have access to all information to make up our own minds. Of course most of media has been feeling that way for years.

 

[faneidde]

They would just move offshore and keep operating as normal.

Either way, Dems are in control now so you conservatives just have to suck it up for at least 4 years, cause nothing is happening to tech anytime soon. It’ll be tough to not be able to post “hang Mike Pence” online, but I’m sure you’ll survive.

Good news is you can always boycott all technology and turn Amish!! Or better yet, buy some servers and start your own tech company where violence and coup attempts are applauded!

This is exactly the kind of idiotic opinion that I fully support your right to share. It's too bad "liberals" like you would rather silence than debate opposing views.

 

[tjreese]

Who determines what is “risky” speech? That’s the big question.

just don't mess up your 50 or 60 pronouns. It doesn't take an imagination to see what is going on. Many witnessed the destruction of lives, burning and looting for month after month with some promotion and others indifferent from government positions. Granted that was the commoner, not royalty...their rights not so important. Then when the riots took place for a few hours in a single day, but affect royalty we saw an about face from many and now condemn "correctly" something that was "useful" to royalty previously. Is there really anyone not aware that "power"...however you get it is okay, because royalty has a vision that needs implemented and they are smart and you are stupid to believe that the evolution of ideas...the give and take over time has any value.

@EdwardElric has recommended and a few others over the years a Thomas Sowell book called A Conflict of Visions and it helps put the pieces together historically from some starting points 200 year ago.

A Conflict of Visions

 

[QuadBoiler]

I doubt very many people in this thread give a damn about Parler, I certainly don’t. I don’t like the prescient though, think it’s a worth discussion

Not sure what you are replying to. I assumed you felt the names olas used were directed at the people in this thread who are mad that parler was taken down and I don't think that's the case. I think the names were a description of some of the content being post there. Was just trying to clear up what seemed to be a misunderstanding but I guess that wasn't what you thought.

If that's the case, I'm not sure what your issue with the statement you quoted from olas is. There was undoubtedly a lot of disgusting stuff being posted on parler. Apple, Google, and Amazon decided they didn't want to be associated with it. If parler doesn't like that, they can either find other platforms to host their site or attempt to do an iota of moderation. It's that simple.

 

[Higgins]

Are we disagreeing that some of the stuff on Parler (which is the content that led to these removals) is disgusting? Because I think that's what olas meant. Don't have stupid, disgusting, etc. content on your site and this isn't an issue. Don't think the names were directed towards people in this thread. Could be wrong though.

So to be clear, there is no “stupid, disgusting, etc.” content on Twitter and Facebook? Good to know.

 

[Chop HO]

So to be clear, there is no “stupid, disgusting, etc.” content on Twitter and Facebook? Good to know.

I’ll just leave this here:

ISIS 'still evading detection on Facebook', report says

A new report finds ISIS-linked groups are using a number of tactics to hide content from moderation.

www.bbc.com

 

[Higgins]

just don't mess up your 50 or 60 pronouns. It doesn't take an imagination to see what is going on. Many witnessed the destruction of lives, burning and looting for month after month with some promotion and others indifferent from government positions. Granted that was the commoner, not royalty...their rights not so important. Then when the riots took place for a few hours in a single day, but affect royalty we saw an about face from many and now condemn "correctly" something that was "useful" to royalty previously. Is there really anyone not aware that "power"...however you get it is okay, because royalty has a vision that needs implemented and they are smart and you are stupid to believe that the evolution of ideas...the give and take over time has any value.

@EdwardElric has recommended and a few others over the years a Thomas Sowell book called A Conflict of Visions and it helps put the pieces together historically from some starting points 200 year ago.

A Conflict of Visions

Great post. HOF.

 

[tjreese]

Wrong take. Apple, Google, Twitter, and Facebook are working together to protect each other. Parler competes directly with Twitter and Twitter’s recent censoring of conservative thought and expression has directly caused millions to leave Twitter and go to Parler. Parler is a threat to Twitter and that is unacceptable. I think it is great that big tech and our government think we are all so stupid to think for ourselves and know have access to all information to make up our own minds. Of course most of media has been feeling that way for years.

unfortunately there is a lot of evidence that "we" do NOT think for ourselves on anything...

 

[Higgins]

I’ll just leave this here:

ISIS 'still evading detection on Facebook', report says

A new report finds ISIS-linked groups are using a number of tactics to hide content from moderation.

www.bbc.com

So is ISIS bad? Are they conservatives or Trump supporters? Tic.

 

[ptree06]

This is exactly the kind of idiotic opinion that I fully support your right to share. It's too bad "liberals" like you would rather silence than debate opposing views.

Again, you can turn Amish. You don’t have to take it lying down.

 

[QuadBoiler]

I don't have an informed opinion on the 230, but is it that twitter/fb/amazon etc. have too much "power or control" or that Parler is clearly outside the content of the others and would be more risk?

I don't think the people pushing for a repeal really know what they are asking for. This isn't something that would only affect "big tech." It would remove protections from ANY company that has content published by anyone on their sites. Parler would undoubtedly be affected and frankly, would either become a shell of what its user base loves about it right now, or it would cease to exist because it would be sued repeatedly. Lots of smaller sites would be affected. Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. would continue existing much like they currently do, but they would censor content and/or accounts A LOT more than they do now. Is that really what people want?

 

[Higgins]

unfortunately there is a lot of evidence that "we" do NOT think for ourselves on anything...

Or we don’t think about things the correct way

 

[QuadBoiler]

So to be clear, there is no “stupid, disgusting, etc.” content on Twitter and Facebook? Good to know.

Don't think I said that did I? Although those sites have been moderating and pulling fringe content down. Parler has not done much of that. So yeah, it's not really the same. Glad to help clear things up for you though.

 

[Crazy8]

Again, you can turn Amish. You don’t have to take it lying down.

Got something against the Amish?

 

[QuadBoiler]

So is ISIS bad? Are they conservatives or Trump supporters? Tic.

Maybe you have a hard time reading, but that pretty much directly says ISIS is doing things to avoid detection so that they aren't moderated. Parler was barely moderating. People didn't have to try. Surely you can understand the difference?

 

[beardownboiler]

You people are dumb. The First Amendment is about government regulation of speech. A private company can regulate whatever it wants provided it isn't targeted at a protected class. This kind of stupidity and gullibility is what led to the events at the Capitol.

 

[beardownboiler]

Apparently, Parler is in the process of finding or acquiring new servers that will allow them to continue to function. It may take a few days though. Still may have trouble getting through the Apple/Google barrier though, which means no app access on most phones and tablets.

I'm sure hosting in Russia will mean all data will be very secure.

 

[Joetboiler]

The first amendment prevents Congress from creating a law to infringe on free speech. Not private companies.

Section 230 protects private companies from being liable for what is posted on their sites. It does not prevent in any way the private companies ability to set rules for what can be shared on their site.

The Supreme Court has established if you provide a certain product or service to the public that you can not discriminate and not offer that same product or service based on discrimination.
This does not mean a business cannot kick people out or deny service to someone who violates their rules of service.
Using the gay couple wedding cake. Business must make a cake they would for anyone else. Business can deny the request if they want to place a cake topper of two people having sex on the cake.

Parlor did not put any rules in place to prevent the spreading of lies, hate, violence, and inciting more riots. So Google and Apple banned their product.
This is would be the same as if a coffee shop was holding Nazi meetings at their location. The owner of the building can terminate their lease.

Nobodies rights have been infringed. Here is a suggestion to those people. Stop being stupid, disgusting, terrible human beings.

As I provided earlier your position is faulty. "Here is a suggestion to those people. Stop being stupid, disgusting, terrible human beings." I just DDG'd "Louis Farrakhan Sermons You Tube." And I got enough content to last me a week. That content is filled with anti-jew rants and conspiracy theories. And again, these are being hosted by Google's Youtube. Do you not find content to meet your definition of what should be allowed? So these tech companies have set standards that they are not equally applying. That's the problem.

Additionally, Maxine Waters has a famous rally speech were she eggs on people to get in the face of conservatives. Surround them everywhere. Get in their face. Make them uncomfortable. This to me is inciting violence against elected officials. Yet you can still watch this video and she an tweet.

This is a very bad road that one side's content can be viewed as dangerous, while equally or greater content the opposition is allowed to pass.

 

[3DomeBoiler]

One of the events that lead up to today’s Parler situation was Lin Wood posting that Mike Pence needs to be hanged. Parler took it down. So, Parler also censors their site, just not as much as others. Are they, or aren’t they similar to Apple/Google/Facebook?

I have been made to understand that death threats and the logistical planning of insurrection are "just a bit right of center" and should never be censored.

 

[faneidde]

Again, you can turn Amish. You don’t have to take it lying down.

And in 2 years when conservatives retake the senate, you can move to China or another country that celebrates the restriction of speech.