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Outrebounded by SIU-Edwardsville???

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All our starters had a very solid game and so did a couple of our freshman (Haarms & Eastern) last night. Was finally able to see Haarms play and was very impressed. But outrebounded by a much smaller team like SIU-Edwardsville should be a major concern going forward. I think their biggest players are like 6'9" & 6'8".

This was a major concern for me when we kinda knew that Biggie was about to leave for the NBA last year. We have the size, but none our our players are we I would considered a great rebounder. Haas will get his if comes right to him but does not have the mobility. VE will have to step up in rebounding more if we are going further than a sweet 16.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/matchup?gameId=400986329
 
All our starters had a very solid game and so did a couple of our freshman (Haarms & Eastern) last night. Was finally able to see Haarms play and was very impressed. But outrebounded by a much smaller team like SIU-Edwardsville should be a major concern going forward. I think their biggest players are like 6'9" & 6'8".

This was a major concern for me when we kinda knew that Biggie was about to leave for the NBA last year. We have the size, but none our our players are we I would considered a great rebounder. Haas will get his if comes right to him but does not have the mobility. VE will have to step up in rebounding more if we are going further than a sweet 16.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400986329

Rebounding will be a concern, but last nights numbers are misleading, imo. They shot 31 threes and they weren’t good. That tends to lead to erratic bounces where the offense usually has the advantage. Also, Purdue shot 60%. Not a lot of offensive rebounding opportunities for the Boilers.
 
Rebounding will be a concern, but last nights numbers are misleading, imo. They shot 31 threes and they weren’t good. That tends to lead to erratic bounces where the offense usually has the advantage. Also, Purdue shot 60%. Not a lot of offensive rebounding opportunities for the Boilers.

Maybe but I seems to remember that we were outrounded by the some of the better teams in the WUG too and ended up losing to Lithuania for the same reason.
 
Maybe but I seems to remember that we were outrounded by the some of the better teams in the WUG too and ended up losing to Lithuania for the same reason.
Reading way to much into this rebounding situation they will be fine. I look at mich st,Duke and Kentucky rebounding and it was no better look at there bigs rebounding numbers and duke and Kentucky got plenty of size too. Kentucky has to play zone bcuz part of it they were getting out rebounded with a front line 6” 10 or better so if u think purdue had problems rebounding check the stats of other schools who had rebounding problems in the 1st college game of the season. By the purdue did do better in 2nd half of the game rebounding. Duke/Michigan st play Tuesday watch game let’s see how well both team rebounds. Was it obvious to see maybe but 1 game into the season and now some think that will be a major concern as season goes on. My suggestion stop comparing this years team to last years team biggie is gone and as a team they will figure it out as season goes on they will be fine from what I see. This team is gonna be scary scary good especially by time Big 10 play start. They gonna be alright I have absolutely no concerns especially after 1 game.
 
This team will win more this year (hopefully than last) through better offense prowess than rebounding prowess. Just my 1.5 cents.
 
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Reading way to much into this rebounding situation they will be fine. I look at mich st,Duke and Kentucky rebounding and it was no better look at there bigs rebounding numbers and duke and Kentucky got plenty of size too. Kentucky has to play zone bcuz part of it they were getting out rebounded with a front line 6” 10 or better so if u think purdue had problems rebounding check the stats of other schools who had rebounding problems in the 1st college game of the season. By the purdue did do better in 2nd half of the game rebounding. Duke/Michigan st play Tuesday watch game let’s see how well both team rebounds. Was it obvious to see maybe but 1 game into the season and now some think that will be a major concern as season goes on. My suggestion stop comparing this years team to last years team biggie is gone and as a team they will figure it out as season goes on they will be fine from what I see. This team is gonna be scary scary good especially by time Big 10 play start. They gonna be alright I have absolutely no concerns especially after 1 game.
With all due respect, and I truly mean that, our lack of defensive rebounding is alarming. I honestly don't care much about other teams problems because it doesn't justify Purdue's problems, but Duke gave up 7 offensive rebounds and Kentucky gave up 16 offensive rebounds. Purdue surrendered 24 offensive rebounds. That is an outrageously high number, especially considering the competition and our size. I do agree that it is very early (even though we saw the same weakness in the WUG) and I am certain Painter will make this deficiency the primary focus for improvement. So let's hope you're right and they figure it out, because they look so good in every other aspect of the game.
 
With all due respect, and I truly mean that, our lack of defensive rebounding is alarming. I honestly don't care much about other teams problems because it doesn't justify Purdue's problems, but Duke gave up 7 offensive rebounds and Kentucky gave up 16 offensive rebounds. Purdue surrendered 24 offensive rebounds. That is an outrageously high number, especially considering the competition and our size. I do agree that it is very early (even though we saw the same weakness in the WUG) and I am certain Painter will make this deficiency the primary focus for improvement. So let's hope you're right and they figure it out, because they look so good in every other aspect of the game.
I understand your thoughts, but as so many others have said, the combination of them shooting lots of 3s, resulting in long and hard to predict defensive rebounds, and our shooting 60%, resulting in not a lot of offensive rebounds to get, thus not offsetting the other %s, this was a bit of an aberration. The WUG may not have been. So, yes, maybe, kinda .... but I personally would not post negative thoughts based on this game and summer games ... if the trend continues, then I retract my comments. Just too early for me ....
 
With all due respect, and I truly mean that, our lack of defensive rebounding is alarming. I honestly don't care much about other teams problems because it doesn't justify Purdue's problems, but Duke gave up 7 offensive rebounds and Kentucky gave up 16 offensive rebounds. Purdue surrendered 24 offensive rebounds. That is an outrageously high number, especially considering the competition and our size. I do agree that it is very early (even though we saw the same weakness in the WUG) and I am certain Painter will make this deficiency the primary focus for improvement. So let's hope you're right and they figure it out, because they look so good in every other aspect of the game.
Respect ur opinion but still it’s 1 game the 1st game of the season biggie gone they as a team and coaches will work on it and figure it out and address it. I just no I’m watching teams with glaring other problems that they had in 1 game that they too will watch film and try to fix it as well. WUG was 8 games in 10 days was a whole lot and they only got out rebounded in championship games bcuz they were exhausted they not playing 8 games in 10 days now. I have no concerns over this many teams can’t make shots look at mich st box score on how many shots they made wasn’t many and I’m sure that is something they gotta try to fix to. All I’m saying it’s 1 game into the season and something that can be addressed and worked on like other teams will be working on fixing things they struggled in their 1st game of the season
 
I wish I could have watched the game and on the surface the numbers are alarming. But as others have mentioned, they MISSED 21 threes, and what if they sold out completely to get offensive rebounds against a taller team?
 
Respect ur opinion but still it’s 1 game the 1st game of the season biggie gone they as a team and coaches will work on it and figure it out and address it. I just no I’m watching teams with glaring other problems that they had in 1 game that they too will watch film and try to fix it as well. WUG was 8 games in 10 days was a whole lot and they only got out rebounded in championship games bcuz they were exhausted they not playing 8 games in 10 days now. I have no concerns over this many teams can’t make shots look at mich st box score on how many shots they made wasn’t many and I’m sure that is something they gotta try to fix to. All I’m saying it’s 1 game into the season and something that can be addressed and worked on like other teams will be working on fixing things they struggled in their 1st game of the season

We were also outrebounded by Israel too (43 to 37), even though won in OT.
This our biggest weakest that I see with this team. This need to be fix this if we want to make a deep run in the NCAA.
 
I have two points. it's hard for our team to get our own offensive rebound when the vast majority of our shots are going straight through the hoop. how is Haas supposed to get any rebounds when he makes 80% of his shots and the rest of our team shoots over 50% ? is he supposed to block our shots to pad his rebounding stats?

my second point is I agree with some of the posters. this is a trend and it does go back to last year. A lot of guards who bomb away on us miss and are able to rebound their missed shots. I'm not talking about just one game. I'm looking back over several years. the question is , I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing. the other team is getting offensive rebounds because they are missing a lot of shots. that's a good thing. If they are making all their threes, then they are not getting rebounds, and that's a bad thing.

if you want to just look at stats, you can come away with many possible reasons and also spins/slants. We won by 30+ points and the other team had a lot of rebounds. obviously, our defense protected the bucket and prevented them from scoring.

There is one point I will disagree with. This was not our first game and should not be treated as such or called as such. this was our first NCAA regular season game. We participated in the WUG for a reason - to gain experience. to call this game our first game makes the other games we played meaningless. We also had scrimmages, secret scrimmages and exhibition games. We used those games to work on our team chemistry and to evaluate our players. Painter used the performances of those games to determine a starting line-up and also to determine that both Wheeler and Sasha should redshirt. he didn't use just one game to make that decision. if Wheeler had dominated in practice and the WUG, he probably would not be redshirting. While this may be our first regular season game, it's close to our 10th game this team has played this year. I get annoyed when people look at the first game of the season and if things go bad, say it's only the first game, give them a break. in baseball, teams play over 30 games before their first game. NFL football teams have 4 games. NBA teams have 10+ games.

My point? All those games of the WG and scrimmages and exhibitions provide enough games to evaluate this team and to see a trend developing.

me personally? if I comment about a trend, it's because I saw the flaw in previous years, and my comment will be we still haven't fixed it.

I don't see rebounding as a problem or trend. Haas is doing a great job. V Edwards is doing a great job. however the trend I've seen is a lot of teams are forcing shots against us, and those shots are so bad, the ball is bouncing back out farther than the 3 point line and the other team is getting credited with an offensive rebound. if the ball is bouncing off the rim and going beyond the 3 point line, yes, if the other team picks it up, it's counted as a rebound. But should we really be worried about that kind of rebound? to me that's like giving a relief pitcher a blown save if he allows the other team to score in the 5th inning. in other words, that stat of offense rebound is often very misleading. When you win by 30+, who cares about the stats? it's like, can I have an update on our assist to TO ratio for this game? frankly, I don't give a darn about our Assist to TO ratio. It's just one stat.
 
Reading way to much into this rebounding situation they will be fine. I look at mich st,Duke and Kentucky rebounding and it was no better look at there bigs rebounding numbers and duke and Kentucky got plenty of size too. Kentucky has to play zone bcuz part of it they were getting out rebounded with a front line 6” 10 or better so if u think purdue had problems rebounding check the stats of other schools who had rebounding problems in the 1st college game of the season. By the purdue did do better in 2nd half of the game rebounding. Duke/Michigan st play Tuesday watch game let’s see how well both team rebounds. Was it obvious to see maybe but 1 game into the season and now some think that will be a major concern as season goes on. My suggestion stop comparing this years team to last years team biggie is gone and as a team they will figure it out as season goes on they will be fine from what I see. This team is gonna be scary scary good especially by time Big 10 play start. They gonna be alright I have absolutely no concerns especially after 1 game.
just wanted to say that Nojel is growing right in front of our eyes. I'm only seeing it from the side, but his FT shooting looks good and like him holding the goose neck finish...and it goes through the net fine. He made some really nice passes. He's growing mama...we are all going to enjoy the ride. Congrats on your son
 
We were also outrebounded by Israel too (43 to 37), even though won in OT.
This our biggest weakest that I see with this team. This need to be fix this if we want to make a deep run in the NCAA.
If a team shoots and misses a lot of threes, Purdue will probably not do as well with board stats as a more balanced attack. Purdue is not the quickest team to cover distance as many
 
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If a team shoots and misses a lot of threes, Purdue will probably not do as well with board stats as a more balanced attack. Purdue is not the quickest team to cover distance as many
an interesting stat that no ones keeps is opponent's shooting % compared with defensive rebounds. The worse the %, the more the opp. and as has been beaten to death, the FACT that 3-point shots take wild and crazy caroms that are often no where near our tall guys. And the same comments can be made for offensive rebounds. If we shoot 60% (as you said), there aren't many opps to get.
 
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an interesting stat that no ones keeps is opponent's shooting % compared with defensive rebounds. The worse the %, the more the opp. and as has been beaten to death, the FACT that 3-point shots take wild and crazy caroms that are often no where near our tall guys. And the same comments can be made for offensive rebounds. If we shoot 60% (as you said), there aren't many opps to get.
yes, it would be interesting to see floor placement of shots and who gets the rebound and where adn I imagine that is kept...just not available to us...
 
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something else to consider. if a team plays zone defense, which we don't, but if we did, and the other tea m is bombing away fro m the three point line, and the ball keeps bouncing back, and they keep firing and missing, should we really care how many rebounds they get?

on the other hand, since we play man-to -man defense , is there a reason our opponent's guards get a lot of rebounds? is it a question n of not playing very tight close defense around the perimeter? at what point should our guards being playing tight defense against their man and preventing their man from getting the rebound?

I'm not really buying the story about the ball takes strange bounces on missed 3 pointers. if it's strange for us, it should be just as strange for our opponent. I doubt highly there is a guard who shoots less than 30% of his shots who knows where that ball is going to bounce so he can get the rebound. to me, that seems like we're being out hustled or what is basically a loose ball. and that is where MSU's Valentine excelled. he wasn't the greatest rebounder or shooter in the world. But he outhustled people for a lot of loose ball rebounds. and second chances.

I don't believe we have a rebounding problem. But when you shoot over 50% of your shots, rebound opportunities will not be as great as bad shooting teams. I look back at Kareem Abdul Jabar. He could have gotten a lot more rebounds if he only missed more shots. he could have easily averaged 20 rebounds a game if he purposely missed.
 
All our starters had a very solid game and so did a couple of our freshman (Haarms & Eastern) last night. Was finally able to see Haarms play and was very impressed. But outrebounded by a much smaller team like SIU-Edwardsville should be a major concern going forward. I think their biggest players are like 6'9" & 6'8".

This was a major concern for me when we kinda knew that Biggie was about to leave for the NBA last year. We have the size, but none our our players are we I would considered a great rebounder. Haas will get his if comes right to him but does not have the mobility. VE will have to step up in rebounding more if we are going further than a sweet 16.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/matchup?gameId=400986329

last night at half I turned and spoke to the guys behind me and said wow, how many times does another team get 19 more shots at half and are still behind? ...and then I look at the FTs made and attempted and it was obvious why Purdue was ahead.

SIUE stats
FG % 1st Half: 14-46 30.4% --2nd half: 17-35 48.6%
3FG % 1st Half: 3-17 17.6% --2nd half: 7-14 50.0%
FT % 1st Half: 1-2 50.0% --2nd half: 1-5 20.0%

Purdue stats
FG % 1st Half: 16-27 59.3% --2nd half: 20-34 58.8%
3FG % 1st Half: 4-7 57.1% --2nd half: 5-12 41.7%
FT % 1st Half: 16-19 84.2%--2nd half: 8-13 61.5%

SIUE's boards
offensive 24, defensive 16, total 40

Purdue's boards
offensive 12, defensive 27, total 39
SIU got twice as many offensive boards as Purdue and yet Purdue got twice as many defensive boards as SIUE. Obviously there were a LOT of opportunities for boards when SIUE shot the ball. Purdue got 27 D boards to 24 SIUE O boards...usually the D is at least 2:1 it seems (no data on that...just gut feel) When Purdue shot they got 12 offensive boards and SIUE only got 16 defensive boards...again almost a split.
 
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