I reflect on that often. I often wonder how things would have turned out differently for me if I'd not been born the child of poor white working class people that never had a damn thing they didn't scrape for. Not one of my family ever owned anybody else. As a matter of fact a few generations back they scraped together a living by being tenant farmers with damn little to show for their hard work. My generation was the first one to produce a college graduate. May not seem like that was too difficult but it was when most of us had to do it by working part time, achieving in the classroom and knowing we'd have to pay loans off for years to come. It was part of the one time American dream that you could work hard and build a decent life. Each generation was expected to do more than the one before. Competition was encouraged. Somewhere in our PC culture we've lost all touch with reality and now believe hard work is a bad thing and wealth should be divided and not gained. I look at the whiny youth of today without regard to ethnicity and have little hope that my grandchildren will lead a better life than I have been able to build for my family. And it wasn't built on white male privilege.
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This thread is a hot mess. I know message boards are by far the worst medium to have any sort of reasonable discourse...but creating even more polarization works ~ in the words of one of our visiting posters exactly 1% of time time 100% of the time if the score is less than 2 with only one possession left.
Now I'm off to go out and buy me some Sex Panther by Odeon...Illegal in nine countries...It's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
Now I'm off to go out and buy me some Sex Panther by Odeon...Illegal in nine countries...It's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
YES...Yolande! I was going off memory and Yolande sounded like Elan. They live around Kissimee, FL. My sister was a calculus teacher at Columbus North and I would go down there for some tutoring in math years ago and Ric and Jeff would ride the horses. Yolande was with me one day when they all wanted to go roller skating and her and I were not skaters...
I remember watching the news when Ric flew into Indy after the Iranian hostage situation and ric walked right past all the media and gave my sister a kiss and my borther-in-law a big hug. He took my brother-in-law to Afghanistan and such and he ended up with a neat rifle and knife. Anyway, Ric wanted to hire minorities, but they needed to be qualified to be fair to all those that worked hard to get qualified.I only remember To Sir With Love and Guess Whos' Coming to Dinner...
ATL - I'm not going to try to argue this on a sports message board, but there is an excellent book called "The Closing of the American Mind" by Allan Bloom who was a professor during the real race riots at universities.
It's ironic that this discussion is taking place on a basketball board. You want to talk about discrimination, oppression, and prejudice? Try being a white basketball player. There's hasn't been a white player in the Top 10 of the Rivals 150 for several years. As I've previously mentioned, former white National Players of the Year Morrison, McDermott, and Kaminsky weren't even ranked in the Top 150. But the poster boy for the unspoken hate in basketball is Michigan's Duncan Robinson. He didn't get a SINGLE D-1 scholarship. All he did during his Freshman year in athletic scholarship-less D-3 was earn National Freshman of the Year honors and lead his team to the Championship game. He transferred to UM, one of the rare major conference D-1 schools who play multiple white kids, and tonight he had 19 points in 18 minutes on 5 for 5 shooting from 3.
These kids need to be kicked out of school or shipped over to the Middle East to see what a hard knock life really is.
These kids need to be kicked out of school or shipped over to the Middle East to see what a hard knock life really is.
If I had been born under different circumstances, I would hope I wouldn't whine, I would hope I wouldn't feel entitled and I would hope I that I could acknowledge that I live in the greatest, most generous, most caring, most principled and least racist country on the planet (with the possible exception of Canada) and be appreciative of what I do have (like most American minorities do).
Maybe that's just me. Purdue is better than this.
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ATL: I have almost ten years on you but you are spot on. I will try to express my point with respect for the other posters so I base my opinions on someone who I love and respect very much - my dad. I can say with 100% certainty that my dad is not a racist and I don't think anyone who is posting here is one. But that doesn't mean that my dad - or sadly nearly everyone over 50 for that matter - understands what racism is. To be honest I have really only begun to understand the problem in the last few years. Racism can not be fixed by affirmative action or any government policy. It is fixed by self reflection and having hard conversations with people of different backgrounds in our country. It is fixed by changing the culture.
A few months back I was at a small town lumber yard and got a pick ticket for some wood. I pulled around but didn't see the yard attendant. I knew what I needed so I loaded my boards. Just then the attendant came around the corner and shouted down to me if I found everything ok. I yelled back that I had and asked if he needed to see my pick ticket. He said no and went on his business. A seemingly innocent interaction until I really thought about it. If I change nothing about the situation but now I am a black or Hispanic person, does he act the same way? Does he come to check my ticket?
To me this is white privilege. I stress that I did nothing wrong by being white and neither did the attendant. If he let me slide and checked the Hispanic guy's ticket 20 minutes later, that doesn't make him a racist either. It simply highlights the fact that people of color are inherently viewed differently than whites. When I try to explain this to someone my dad's age, it is full meltdown mode. We can't blame them though. They have seen so much progress on race relations (sadly 90% government imposed) that when you suggest that minorities still have an uphill battle, he can't comprehend it. He, like others on here, divert straight to the talking points of MSNBC, Bernie Sanders, and other things to simply destroy the conversation before they have to self reflect. They hear terms like white privilege and assume it means they have done something wrong. They haven't, it is just the culture.
I feel this is the greatest challenge of my (our) generation. We were all raised to believe that racism was a thing of the past and only happened now a days in rural Alabama. It is simply more systemic than that and it is something we can't ignore. We must face the problem head on and kill the roots. Don't let these folks shout you down. When they are dead and gone, it will be our world. We choose now what that world looks like. All we can do is wait it out and raise our kids right in the process.
I like your example, but I am struggling to see how the approach being taken in these student protests helps address the problem. I have no issue with there being a rally. I just think that a more positive, constructive approach would be far more effective than focusing on a long list of demands.
You lost any shred of credibility when you said people over 50 don't understand racism. Those are the people who were bussed to school. Those are the people who actually saw true racism. I'll never forget when my dad showed me a "hanging tree" down in Mississippi. That was racism. A white cop pulling over a black guy doing 85 in a 55 is not.
If they do we should pull their free rides and play with those that want to play !
ATL - everything you've said has been very measured; I'm not sure why some feel the need to attack you personally. When I hire someone, and everything is completely equal, I hire the diverse candidate. Because diversity is a very good thing for a company. It's an even better thing for a university. However, diversity means many different things than just black/white, which is basically what the term has become. It means having kids from every state and different political leanings. It means having kids from over 100 countries. And I think Purdue, for the most part, does this pretty well.
Some questions for those who agree with the student protest:
- Has there been any account of great social injustice at Purdue? Any gross racist stories like at Mizzou? This is the most important question. I would assume not, as if there had been, it'd be either all over the news or constantly voiced by this student protest.
- How are minorities not currently granted an opportunity to put their hard work to good use at Purdue?
- Has diversity decreased since Purdue eliminated the Diversity Officer position? Is there any proof that she added any value in her time here?
- Is the goal to have the demographics of Purdue match exactly the demographics of Indiana? The US? The world?
- Why is color of skin a more important characteristic than parental income? Seems like the latter would fix the source of the problem of uneven advantages, while the former dances around it.
- Will the racial awareness curriculum, advertising of the Hate and Bias program, CORE seats for PSG, and the creation of a student police advisory board have any impact on anything at all? It all smacks of BS to me.
I hesitated to post this on the bball board, but frankly, I think it's an important discussion to have, and the OT board seems to be full of crazies. As others have said, if they have legitimate beef, then I don't think the main press this group got would have been from the Exponent. If a change is truly needed, then I would think there are better ways to go about it rather than issue a list of demands. I feel like this is just students trying to get a free ride on Mizzou's coat tails.
wow... I'm stunned to read this thread on a Purdue basketball message board. I agree with the above poster- alot of it does sound like kids trying to get free things on the coattails of the Mizzou situation. What ever happened to kids just going to school to get an education and getting a job afterwards to become productive members of society?? That must be a tall order for today's college snowflake. (TIC)
I'm still waiting for Purdue to build a Caucasian Cultural Center in the name of racial equality.
(TIC)I'm still waiting for Purdue to build a Caucasian Cultural Center in the name of racial equality.
ISIS, the national debt, and the global economy thank you.
I don't know how old you are but I'm still in my 30's so I figure to have a number of decades left and my biggest fear is that enough people like you turn a blind eye to the major problems and you won't even recognize the world in which you will end up raising your children.
You may lose innocent friends or family in a jihad being waged against all Americans of all races but at least you will know that the guy of a different race behind you at the lumber yard didn't have to have his ticket checked either (which may have been the case anyway).
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This^.
Kids today wonder why they can't get a good job and then complain about their parents being able to get a good paying job with only a high school diploma. Well first off, your parents worked long hot hours for their pay most likely. Kids today want $15 an hour to have to pull out their phones to give me change if I give them $6.01 for an order that costs $5.76
Secondly, the world economy is here to stay and it was only beginning in the late 70's. Learn to adapt to it. It's not going to adapt to you.
Kids today are competing with a much larger workforce and the majority of them have it worse off then you and they aren't complaining about things like "white priveldge" or how some idiot with a rebel flag offends you.
I'm booking my nursing home now, because if I leave it up to the millennials, I will end up "feeling the Bern".
Take some responsibility for your own actions and stop expecting everyone around you to adapt to your perception of how the world should be.
You wil be a lot happier and more successful that way.
Congratulations on being fully indoctrinated with white guilt. This makes me sick! You mistake someone being trusting as perceived white privilege. That is disgusting. Doesn't that make you the hateful person? You assume that a white guy being nice to another white guy is somehow a bad thing. You assume that this white guy is only being nice to you because you are white. You are assuming that this white guy would not treat another race the same way. Why are you assuming all of these things? Maybe the guy was just lazy. Instead, you turn it into some subconscious race issue. This country is becoming crazy.
I agree... if the guy who went to the lumber yard actually thought that, I have to assume he treats people of different races differently. I know none of those assumptions would enter my head. Just seems like a strange thought process.
I'm dumber every time I read something about problems in this country and many ignore your reference above of "some" important things. There truly are important issues at play, but most are missed by the children in college.
It has been said that if you are not a liberal by 25 you have no heart and if you are not a conservative by 40 you have no brain and so I understand that younger people that haven't lived much...haven't experienced much may have a limited understanding, and yet sometimes the purity of their thoughts may be needed. I can point to reverse discrimination at Purdue as in other places. I lived through many of the years and have more than a novice understanding of statistics which tends to provide a resource for understandings of data more accurately. FWIW, I had two invites to represent parents in a forum between "Mathematically Correct" and the NCTM that Lynne Cheney (Dick’s wife) held in Washington, D.C. It was right after 911 and had some other commitments and didn’t go. I often wished I would have went. If a person takes more than a cursory look into education, they “should” come away with some concerned views. I could go into some depth, but I too know this to be a basketball board and doubt too many are concerned as history has shown me. Several years existed where I had a website devoted to “educational issues” and so I understand Pavlov’s Dog or “student”, and understand “WHY” some political sides of the aisles want more indoctrination (which is not new)…which doesn’t happen as easily in the science fields. As a primer for any interested, The Language Police written by Diane Ravitch
http://www.amazon.com/The-Language-..._UL160_SR107,160_&refRID=0M06G6HETDG4F7YZK70S is a good start.
I’m rambling here into areas of no concern for many. Let me just say that there is a lot of indoctrination in schools and in many majors where the students are lacking the ability to discern things. There is no question that racism exists. There is no question that many times people use it to their advantage. Children entering college should come out closer to an adult and that may be learning some hard lessons in life, understanding the world is not a Pollyanna version. If real issues exist, take it to court where the majority have a left lean. If not, grow up and get back to studying. The best rule of thumb is to treat everyone as you wish to be treated and don’t lock away your conscious some place.
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It shows in the way the younger generation thinks and as you said, they will likely change their views over time and of course after some harsh lessons in reality.
lad you brought up indoctrination in schools. It has become rampant which points to a long term movement.
It shows in the way the younger generation thinks and as you said, they will likely change their views over time and of course after some harsh lessons in reality.
It is amazing how worked up people get just for the sake of getting worked up. If it wasn't race, it'd be something else. This generation has been raised to believe that nothing is fair.
They need to organize a rally in Ross-Ade in a couple weeks during the bucket game. Then at least the stadium would look full.
They need to organize a rally in Ross-Ade in a couple weeks during the bucket game. Then at least the stadium would look full.
Wait, am I reading the FOX News board or is this a Purdue Basketball Forum?
I hate to say it but since BO became the POTUS, race relations in this country have taken a turn for the worse. These days, EVERYTHING is about race.
Didn't get the job? Race
Got arrested? Race
Got fired? Race
Someone called you a name? Race
I'm sick of it and so is a large portion of the population.
More people need to listen to Charles Barkley and fewer to Al Sharpton.
Didn't get the job? Race
Got arrested? Race
Got fired? Race
Someone called you a name? Race
I'm sick of it and so is a large portion of the population.
More people need to listen to Charles Barkley and fewer to Al Sharpton.
OMG...would THAT bring out the PC police!I think we should organize a 'rally' at Purdue in the Music Hall... then show the unedited version of Blazing Saddles just to see carnage that erupts in the audience.
'and for my next impression- Jesse Owens'
The Language Police is a nice read. Diane who is a guru on the history of education was asst. sec. of ed to dad Bush. She was on the transition team to Clinton and Clinton wanted her to study biasing in education. This well-read woman on the history of education (Read Left Back http://www.amazon.com/Left-Back-Century-Failed-Reforms/dp/0684844176 ) found that biasing was much worse than she thought and wrote The Language Police to show some of the Conditioning that goes on in “education”. Every wonder why a math book might have the rain forests? Actually all texts in k-12 go through a Multi-Cultural check for use. Now schools can get waivers and use Saxon Math and such, but there is a lot of “stuff” going on to condition the students. A reference to Rain Forest Math (kinda taking me back several years ago) by https://www.stolaf.edu/other/extend/Expectations/byrd.html the deceased previous senator Robert Byrd. Look at the size of the math books today and possibly compare them to Singapore Math, Saxon and such…
When I was young I was taught that the USA was a Melting Pot, where today many promote the Salad Bowl concept which is much different. I understand this and know DIF (differential Item Functioning) is used to review “answers” to tests for bias. Years ago, the actual questions were studied for biasing when the questions were not highly correlated with the results or when wrong had a statistical expectation much different than what took place. Today, if a “demographic” answers substantially different that question may be thrown out with suspicion of biasing. However, it may have nothing to do with biasing and more to do with a cultural deficiency and a lack of assimilation into the culture. We get so preoccupied with equality of results, rather than opportunity. Well, again I started to ramble, but once the eyes are opened it is easy to see commercials and programming the future through social engineering. The Language Police is a good read for any interested in how education affects society…which by the way the father of Public education…John Dewey declared as the greatest role of public education “AFTER” his return from Prussia…
I too was young once and now more things are tempered…
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..and today you could get her for $.77 on the dollar according to those that think businesses are greedy and yet too stupid to get the same worker for $.77 on the dollar...
As a minority who has traveled and lived all around the world, I have my own personal scale of equality/diversity when it comes to race/religion/sexuality.
Global cities like Manhattan, SF, London, Berlin, Singapore, Sydney, are the 'fairest' places I have been. On a scale of 1-10, they would be the 10s....as good as it gets.
The worst is probably to be a blond haired blue eyed Christian in ISIS held territory. This is a 1
Indiana/Lafayette is probably around a 7.5.....typical for a midwestern college town. The way I see it, if you break it down into concentric circles.....the first ring of 50% are more or less color blind and will judge me fairly. Another 45% will stereotype me to my disadvantage, but fairly minor stuff that is easily overcome with an extra spurt of effort/thickenedskin. The truly racist is about 5%
Room for improvement, worth trying to improve, but also lets get some perspective before we go apeshit. There are far worse places in America where racism is much more deeply ingrained and pernicious
If I were back in a place like Lafayette, and I wanted to be socially aware and active, I would put equal or greater priorities on national issues like corrosive campaign financing in politics, gun control, improving general literacy and voter awareness, ensuring the social primacy of science and rationalism over religion and bigotry, enhancing industrial innovation and technical commercialization. Or global issues like climate change, resource enhancement and allocation, income inequality, greater rights for women (especially in Muslim societies).
Lots of great causes and things to improve in the world we live in. Racial equality is an important one, but I feel there are others that are just as important that have received far less attention
Global cities like Manhattan, SF, London, Berlin, Singapore, Sydney, are the 'fairest' places I have been. On a scale of 1-10, they would be the 10s....as good as it gets.
The worst is probably to be a blond haired blue eyed Christian in ISIS held territory. This is a 1
Indiana/Lafayette is probably around a 7.5.....typical for a midwestern college town. The way I see it, if you break it down into concentric circles.....the first ring of 50% are more or less color blind and will judge me fairly. Another 45% will stereotype me to my disadvantage, but fairly minor stuff that is easily overcome with an extra spurt of effort/thickenedskin. The truly racist is about 5%
Room for improvement, worth trying to improve, but also lets get some perspective before we go apeshit. There are far worse places in America where racism is much more deeply ingrained and pernicious
If I were back in a place like Lafayette, and I wanted to be socially aware and active, I would put equal or greater priorities on national issues like corrosive campaign financing in politics, gun control, improving general literacy and voter awareness, ensuring the social primacy of science and rationalism over religion and bigotry, enhancing industrial innovation and technical commercialization. Or global issues like climate change, resource enhancement and allocation, income inequality, greater rights for women (especially in Muslim societies).
Lots of great causes and things to improve in the world we live in. Racial equality is an important one, but I feel there are others that are just as important that have received far less attention
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As simple as it is...most problems would go away if people treated others how they want to be treated...AND were honest about it....hard for some to do, but an easy concept...
When I read about "minority" my mind raced back to a Chinese I used to work with. He said..."I love America! Over a billion Chinese and they think I'm a minority."
Maybe if we're lucky, the football team will strike? That's all they need, a union, no sweat practices/games & free [non Louisville] prostitutes for all!
Boiler up!!!
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When I read about "minority" my mind raced back to a Chinese I used to work with. He said..."I love America! Over a billion Chinese and they think I'm a minority."
the chinese are a minority in the US. Not that they get (or should get) the same minority rights as Hispanics (over 600 million globally) or Africans (1.1 billion). For that matter, there are about as many white people in the world as there are Chinese or Indians.
I'm a mix of Taiwanese, Dutch, Arab, Malay. My next kid will be half African.....looking forward to teaching him about the world
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If your kid is allowed to add all of those together, he's in quite the majority. Congrats and may it be a healthy, happy pregnancy and birth.
I just know.
Been with fantastic Asian and European women, but Ethiopian/Somali and Arab women are kinda my jam.
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