So I'm as conservitave as they come....my friends would laugh if liberal was ever associated with my name..... Guns are one thing in my opinion....hand guns and rifels for hunting fine... .however I YET to understand why Americans are allowed to personally own uzzies or any military type high repeating gun. Wht they are not highly regulated is beyond me.... Just my opinion but I don't see the need. And don't give me that line that we should have them to protect ourselves from the government....I think big gov is way out of control.....but your big gun is no match for the government's fire power....
OT: Paris
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So if you and I are in a building attacked by assholes like these, and I've got a gun and you don't, you think your chances of survival are better than mine? OK. Best of luck to ya!
I'm not saying I'm gonna go Dirty Harry and chase after these guys. Of course I'm gonna lay low like everybody else. I can hide and try to escape just like you. But when that is no longer an option, I've got a fighting chance. You have none. This isn't Predator where the monster only goes after people who are armed.
Naive? You cite an unrelated incident from decades ago to support your position. Just This May, one cop in Texas with a 45 Glock killed two terrorists in Texas equipped with body armor and assault rifles. Three American servicemen prevented a tragedy on a train by overwhelming a gunman with an AK-47. In last January's slaughter two unarmed police officers responding to the call at the Charlie Hebdo offices were gunned down.
The bad guys are heavily armed, the good guys are often unarmed. Three gunmen killed more than 100 unarmed concertgoers. Two gunmen killed 19 unarmed innocents in a restaurant. Two more gun en killed 14 unarmed diners in a restaurant.
It is a terrible tragedy. It is a portent of things to come. They always select "soft targets" like theatres, restaurants and sports facilities were nobody is armed. Can any if you cite a mess shooting in the last five years where the perpetrator dud not know in advance there were no armed personnel? Fort Hood, Chattanooga recruiting offices, schools, churches, novae theatres, federal offices.
The black market had been selling assault weapons in large numbers according to reports from French officials. If ever it shows that bad guys will have guns and good people will be unarmed. Now do you think the French people, inundated by hundreds of thousands of Middle Easfern immigrants are going to keep things the way they are, or do you think the French people will demand the right to defend themselves. Of course, the other alternative is hire more Police and military personnel, train and arm them and flood the streets of French cities with heavily armed officers.
Who do you know that has uzzi's or automatic weapons? In fact, how many shootings can you cite where an automatic weapon was used unless it was a drug cartel shooting and we know they have the money and the weapons? Since the 1930's no American has been allowed to legally own an automatic weapon. I find the biggest thing about weapons is fewer and fewer people know anything about guns because so few have served in the military.
It was not unrelated as I was highlighting the issue of first responders having to quickly sort out between hostiles and armed bystanders.
3400 Americans have died from terrorism since 2001. 3400 Americans have died from household firearms IN THE PAST FIVE WEEKS. Get it together people.
Why does this thread have to get all political? A horrible thing happened.
If you or a loved one were confronted with people you knew were not taking prisoners or stealing jewelry and wallets would you really rather stand there and be slaughtered or would you hope that you, or perhaps 3-4 of you happened to be armed and were able to save lives and lerhals even the lives of yourself or your loved ones. Now think about that before you just throw out an answer based on how things used to be. Clearly, the rules of engagement with armed terrorists (almost always mentally deranged or religious fanatics) have changed.
I thought I was alone. A conservative who can't understand why anyone is a against common sense reforms like 1) Close the gun show loophole ... does anyone really want criminals to easily buy guns at a gun show? 2) Require a background check for anyone buying a gun ... if you have nothing to hide why would you oppose this? 3) have a national database that actually works. It's not that hard and I can't understand why this can't be done.
I'm all for responsible people owning guns for hunting and self defense in their home ... just keep it out of the hands of mentally challenged IU fans
I'm all for responsible people owning guns for hunting and self defense in their home ... just keep it out of the hands of mentally challenged IU fans
I assure you, the tangent this took was never my intent, but I should have seen it coming.
How can you separate politics from issues of floods of Islamic immigrants from the Middle East inundating Europe, security issues, gun control laws, defense of soft targets when gun free zones have becomes the target Du Jour of mentally ill and terrorists?
And your source for your preposterous claim? Gang bangers in drug cartel shootouts in Chicago and other urban areas where drug wars are out of control are not committed with household firearms.
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Yep, we saw oh well those armed police in the streets went over in Ferguson last summer, didn't we?
Not being sarcastic here...honest question: where is this place where one can buy a gun without a background check? I own several guns and have had to complete a background check every time. I've never bought a gun at a gun show, but I know people who have. They have to go pick the gun up from the gun shop later, where they had to complete the background check. This is in Indiana.I thought I was alone. A conservative who can't understand why anyone is a against common sense reforms like 1) Close the gun show loophole ... does anyone really want criminals to easily buy guns at a gun show? 2) Require a background check for anyone buying a gun ... if you have nothing to hide why would you oppose this? 3) have a national database that actually works. It's not that hard and I can't understand why this can't be done.
I'm all for responsible people owning guns for hunting and self defense in their home ... just keep it out of the hands of mentally challenged IU fans
I fully support background checks to purchase a firearm. I also support required training or a proficiency exam before granting a concealed carry permit.
You buy a lot of info that often falls apart under the scrutiny of facts. The vast majority of terrorists are not poor, uneducated with no hope for the future. Major Hassan, the Chattanooga killer, the nineteen 911 terrorists, the Boston Marathon bombers, they were all middle or upper class, well educated and it had nothing to do with having anything to lose. The ISIS terrorists are not poor or uneducated. They are Jihadists! You are either a victim of falling for false narratives or you know the facts and choose to tell a story that is less than accurate.
As do I. I don't know anybody who owns illegal guns and those I know keep their guns in safes or have trigger locks.
Because you're not a criminal or a low class individual. Problem is there are too many who are. We often assume that everyone would act as we do but unfortunately that's not true. We can' t assume that most people will do the right thing. I was affected by an associate who didnt lock up their guns and his daughter blew her brains out. So I'm sorry if I'm jaded on the the topic. It hits close to home.
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FBI statistics compiled for 2013 report 12,253 murders by gun for the year, or slightly more than 1,020 gun murders a month on average. Of course, we know a large number of those are drug and Gang related murders and "household" guns were not employed. I will wait to see your course for what appears to a very inflated number.
For those who have not followed the great exodus...this isn't going to stop unless you stand your ground. It sounds awful...but without pride...we have nothing.
It scares me that so many well educated people are completely disconnected from what looms. This is real and this isn't going away. You will be forced to make choices that no one should have to make. We have cavemen demanding entrance. There is no place for democracy here.
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If we were sitting here in 1941 with two oceans, no missiles and nukes and little reason for Mexicans to want to come here the term isolationist would be chic. But it is hard to fathom the number of people out there who hate our military, savage our cops, want to take away the guns and somehow think they and their loved ones will be safe.
So if you aren't going to go Dirty Harry, then why have a gun? Just to save yourself, if possibly confronted directly by the bad guys and whoever gets off the first shot(s)? They could still blow you away ya know if they find you first. Would you let all of the other innocent people die then while waiting on your chance to be a "hero"? That doesn't sound like the typical gun-advocate we have heard about. They would CONFRONT these people from the get-go as I understand it and blow them away. Am I wrong in this assumption? Aren't you really a coward with a gun, hoping they don't discover you first, all the while hoping you don't crap your pants while waiting to be a hero?
Meanwhile the actual police and authorities are closing in looking for anyone with a gun.....hoping to be heroes as well.
I was in Paris in late September and they actually do have a very heavy military presence who patrol popular tourist sights. These are not simply the gendarme but the actual French military equipped with FAMAS assault rifles. I would be interested to see the media take if we had servicemembers in full battle rattle patrolling the Smithsonian with M-4s.
One has a gun in order to discourage anyone who may decide that something as trivial as money is protected. own something of value to th
I'm very happy you brought the media up. Unfortunately there isn't a single mainstream media outlet you can trust thee days. Dig deeper and you will find our disgusting reality.
I'm guessing you don't know much about guns. Do you know what an "uzzi" or a "high repeating gun" even is? Do you realize to own one you must have documentation from the federal government? The guns you are talking about are called fully automatic guns. That means when you pull the trigger, they continuously fire until you release the trigger. These guns are not easy to buy. They are expensive, and like I said you have to get approval from the federal government. The guns you are confusing these with are called semi automatic rifles. These semi automatic rifles are often mislabeled "assault rifles" or "military style rifles". Semi automatic rifles operate by each time you pull the trigger it fires only once. Another round will not go through until you pull the trigger again. That is the difference between these guns and an actual "military style rifle." The vast majority of hand guns people own are semi automatic. They fire the exact same way a semi automatic rifle does. The only difference being that a rifle shoots further with more accuracy. Most semi automatic rifles do come with larger magazines, so they don't have to reload as often. Most will hold 30 rounds. Semi automatic handguns will do the same amount of damage as a semi automatic rifle, but people are so uneducated on guns they buy into what the media lies to them. I have a .45 caliber semi automatic handgun that holds 13 (+1 in the chamber) rounds. It will take me roughly 1.5 seconds longer to fire my gun 27 times than it will a semi automatic rifle. Yet, people are ok with me owning that because it doesn't look as scary as a some "high repeating" gun. People really need to educate themselves on firearms. People often hunt with semi automatic rifles. Does that make those rifle ok? Anyway, it's horrible what happened in Paris and I pray for them. I'm not trying to be political with this post. I'm just trying to educate a little.
You clearly have an attitude about guns
Thank you for having the patience to explain something that so many people know nothing about. Our society now suffers from information overload and misinformation overload!
Gotta love these comments. It is ok for Media Matters to conduct psychological warfare on the US population to con Americans into handing in their weapons after Sandy Hook. That is tact. That is class. But now that leftist policies have fallen flat on their azz in France with the French people being machine gunned because their government stripped the French of their right to self defense, and simultaneously imported ISIS into the country with an open border globalist policy, suddenly pointing out the obvious is now garbage? Now pointing that out means we are heartless? Maybe it is these little socialist thieves that are heartless. One would have to be a heartless mercenary to want to take someones guns away from them. That is like taking someones clothes away from them. Or winter coat away from them in North Pole. How about these leftists get in touch with reality. And they don't define what we can and cannot think by telling people what is garbage and inappropriate. We don't bow down to buzz words. I got some news for these national socialist mercs. Some of us don't bow down and surrender our emotions because they call us "inappropriate" because they don't like what we have to say. I know French people. I visit there. I know Paris. Leftist policy caused this. Opening the borders to people that hate them did this. That is what is inappropriate. Disarming the bank patrons and security guard is inappropriate and quite foolish I might add. Opening the bank vault is what is inappropriate. Then calling people conspiracy theorists for pointing out who the bank robber is because we saw them take off their mask is inappropriate. Then blaming the old lady in the bank who just had her money stolen is anathema. Want to talk about garbage. That is garbage. Being heartless, that is heartless, to ignore that. Ignoring the problem, leftist policies that created this. That is the problem.
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Those guys aren't tough or brave when someone shoots back - islam is full of cowards.
Actually it's true and been documented that as soon as someone started shooting back at a nutjob (see the Oregon mall) the guy runs away. Always funny that these cowards choose a gun free zone to attack. FYI - using a military operation to prove your point didn't prove anything.
Yeah, thankfully we never have mass shooting here in America.
The only difference is that you will increase the number of rounds flying around, heck in your back and forth with your attackers, you could easily hit an innocent person or bring attention to an innocent person near you who is hiding. You aren't John Wayne, and going out guns ablazing isn't better than finding a spot to hide or better yet sneaking out.
