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This ^^^ You would be amazed how many administrators, district specialists, and other non essential personnel that we do not need say to us teachers "What we would give to be back in the classroom" Uh huh well come on in.
Ha - yep - any ol' time you want! but, but, but, you get that boosted last 5 years to calculate your retirement on
 
This ^^^ You would be amazed how many administrators, district specialists, and other non essential personnel that we do not need say to us teachers "What we would give to be back in the classroom" Uh huh well come on in.
I have always liked the idea of principals subbing for teachers from time to time. It is good to get them out of the office and see things a "bit" more realistic. Still, those kids know who the principals are and they will be better behaved. Maybe schools should have principals sub at other schools, but similar schools?

FWIW, I did some money totals probably a couple of decades ago and found roughly 40% money and staff were not tied to core courses and a person should ask....why? Special ed has grown by leaps, administrators have grown, red tape everywhere has grown, librarians have grown in numbers...and the discipline "IF FOUND" is laughable in many cases.

If you have no discipline (takes a teacher supported by a principal, supt and board) you have no education because the schools are not filled with motivated learners...and we in society have provided enough crutches that there is little desire to learn for many...
 
I have always liked the idea of principals subbing for teachers from time to time. It is good to get them out of the office and see things a "bit" more realistic. Still, those kids know who the principals are and they will be better behaved. Maybe schools should have principals sub at other schools, but similar schools?

FWIW, I did some money totals probably a couple of decades ago and found roughly 40% money and staff were not tied to core courses and a person should ask....why? Special ed has grown by leaps, administrators have grown, red tape everywhere has grown, librarians have grown in numbers...and the discipline "IF FOUND" is laughable in many cases.

If you have no discipline (takes a teacher supported by a principal, supt and board) you have no education because the schools are not filled with motivated learners...and we in society have provided enough crutches that there is little desire to learn for many...
unfunded SpecEd mandates are draining every school, including transportation. Every single school I know of (probably 20 in several states) is not providing paras for mandated one-on-one IEPs. They can't pay for them and who wants a minimum wage job where you get spit on and chairs thrown at you. And yes, my wife and two daughters are involved in SpecEd. In no way do I think it should not exist ... just fund it so it doesn't drain the energy, teaching time, and resources from the rest of the school. Ask any Princ (or V.P.) how much of their time is spent on a handful of SpecEd students.

The best gen ed teachers want to teach for admin that support them - which normally means they take the teachers side vs the parents' side. So, the best teachers have the strongest discipline at the admin level ... and if you are a parent who dislikes that the admin supports the teacher and not you ... know that your child is probably in the better buildiing.
 
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I have always liked the idea of principals subbing for teachers from time to time. It is good to get them out of the office and see things a "bit" more realistic. Still, those kids know who the principals are and they will be better behaved. Maybe schools should have principals sub at other schools, but similar schools?

FWIW, I did some money totals probably a couple of decades ago and found roughly 40% money and staff were not tied to core courses and a person should ask....why? Special ed has grown by leaps, administrators have grown, red tape everywhere has grown, librarians have grown in numbers...and the discipline "IF FOUND" is laughable in many cases.

If you have no discipline (takes a teacher supported by a principal, supt and board) you have no education because the schools are not filled with motivated learners...and we in society have provided enough crutches that there is little desire to learn for many...
Substitute hospital administrators for principals and educational administrators and substitute patient contact staff (physicians, nurses, and ancillary healthcare professionals) in your scenario and you have described one of the problems in healthcare today especially in the VA.
 
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There are rules that already regulate the internet outside of Net Neutrality. NN was used to classify the internet as a telecommunication provider and put them under rules/regulations that were put in place to stop AT&T from being a monopoly over 35 years ago.

Some of us are old enough to remember the days of AOL which was the portal to the internet and they could control 100% of the content you could access. Today that isn't the case. More ISPs will come to market and provide competitive packages for people.

https://stratechery.com/2017/pro-neutrality-anti-title-ii/


You obviously haven't been paying attention to the internet since the days of AOL if you think ending net neutrality will bring more ISPs and competition to market. AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, etc. have spent the majority of the last decade taking proposed start-ups and Google to court to block them from competing, and every single time a local government votes on whether to consider internet a public utility, they are there en-masse to try to get it blocked from even being discussed (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...ng-about-building-own-broadband-network.shtml). They donate millions of dollars to various lobbyists to ensure that their gravy train won't ever run out.

It's pretty frightening that the GOP doesn't even pretend to run on behalf of the people anymore. They are so far up Big Businesses' asses and in their pockets that the only thing Ajit Pai says to the 80+ percent of Americans that wanted Net Neutrality is "Your votes and wishes don't matter, as you aren't on the board of these telco conglomerates like I was."
 
You obviously haven't been paying attention to the internet since the days of AOL if you think ending net neutrality will bring more ISPs and competition to market.
I know it must be scary to think of the internet going back to the dark days of 2015....I was shocked that I could log into Rivals today.

It's pretty frightening that the GOP doesn't even pretend to run on behalf of the people anymore.
Hahaha how quickly I forget about the countless millions donated to Obama by Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, CitiGroup, Google, IBM etc.

Truthfully, both sides are equally corrupt and make money regardless of what they do in office.
 
How did the internet work before Net Neutrality?

It works great as usual. Do you want government involved in more crap? Remember cell technology was invented in the 1940’s and the government got involved. How long did that screw up the release of new technology that we enjoy today.
 
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unfunded SpecEd mandates are draining every school, including transportation. Every single school I know of (probably 20 in several states) is not providing paras for mandated one-on-one IEPs. They can't pay for them and who wants a minimum wage job where you get spit on and chairs thrown at you. And yes, my wife and two daughters are involved in SpecEd. In no way do I think it should not exist ... just fund it so it doesn't drain the energy, teaching time, and resources from the rest of the school. Ask any Princ (or V.P.) how much of their time is spent on a handful of SpecEd students.

The best gen ed teachers want to teach for admin that support them - which normally means they take the teachers side vs the parents' side. So, the best teachers have the strongest discipline at the admin level ... and if you are a parent who dislikes that the admin supports the teacher and not you ... know that your child is probably in the better buildiing.
It has been over a decade and the memory isn't good enough to recall all I knew at one time. However, I "think" I recalled that "most" special ed students were "classified that way" due to reading difficulty mostly. Along those lines were various reports and such that "Whole (hole) Language" rather than phonetics led to many students being handicapped as people were debating the reading wars and the respect for Jeanne Chall's work.

http://education.stateuniversity.com/pages/1819/Chall-Jeanne-1921-1999.html

We need to be careful before we offend someone over something that no doubt has ties to them in some way...if not directly, but indirectly in the future of this country ;)
 
I think that is exactly what will happen. ISP's will be hesitant to do anything that restricts traffic because people will switch services as many do have a choice. So while they have the right to do so, I don't think they are dumb enough to do it as it would cause a mass exodus from their service.

thats the original and deeper issue though.... unfortunately many consumers (not even just rural) have only 1 or limited choice for isp/cable. technically you have a choice, but would require moving to a different address.

government and the industry have been in bed a long time. big telecom could squeeze consumers on availability, and hopefully now they don't squeeze on content as well.

maybe when cell data is not as capped/slow, or new fiber is allowed to be laid, more consumers can have more choices
 
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Government isn't the answer, it's the problem. Any time you can get the government out of anything save for national defense, you have taken a step forward.
Philosophically, I agree - other than roads, bridges, fire protection, education (???), local police, courts, jail, prison, water/sewer (I have a well/septic and they work in the country), trash, snow (again,, in the country farmers and neighbors and pits can solve these, but not so much in the city - or the roads to the city)...
 
two related but not related issues.

before net neutrality when doing a search, yo u would always see certain sites at the top of the search list even if they were not related to your search. their companies paid money to ensure they were always at the top of your search.

related issue, . when I type my posts on this site, I am often randomly redirected to another unrelated site and my virus detection software kicks in to prevent the virus from attacking my computer. Although not totally related to net neutrality, this site has some major internet security issues. This only happens to me when posting on this site.

it's as if this site doesn't want me to post and is sending me elsewhere.
 
two related but not related issues.

before net neutrality when doing a search, yo u would always see certain sites at the top of the search list even if they were not related to your search. their companies paid money to ensure they were always at the top of your search.

related issue, . when I type my posts on this site, I am often randomly redirected to another unrelated site and my virus detection software kicks in to prevent the virus from attacking my computer. Although not totally related to net neutrality, this site has some major internet security issues. This only happens to me when posting on this site.

it's as if this site doesn't want me to post and is sending me elsewhere.
mission accomplished ...
 
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Philosophically, I agree - other than roads, bridges, fire protection, education (???), local police, courts, jail, prison, water/sewer (I have a well/septic and they work in the country), trash, snow (again,, in the country farmers and neighbors and pits can solve these, but not so much in the city - or the roads to the city)...


the problem is not the federal government. The problem is your local and state governments are not fulfilling their responsibilities and the feds are just trying to help. State governments are supposed to be responsible for the vast majority of services you mention above. But states like Illinois say, we're broke. And states like Mississippi could care less about providing a quality education. So the federal government hears the cries and wants to help. Sort of like me identifying what basketball athletes Painter should recruit. I ma y be smart and mea n well, but some things are best left to the local people who know something.
 
the problem is not the federal government. The problem is your local and state governments are not fulfilling their responsibilities and the feds are just trying to help. State governments are supposed to be responsible for the vast majority of services you mention above. But states like Illinois say, we're broke. And states like Mississippi could care less about providing a quality education. So the federal government hears the cries and wants to help. Sort of like me identifying what basketball athletes Painter should recruit. I ma y be smart and mea n well, but some things are best left to the local people who know something.
Oh I am totally supportive of state's rights. BUT,... the money!!! And I have to respectfully disagree that the feds "hear the cries and want to help.' No fed rep has ever heard MY cries!!!!! and if there's not a huge corp involved (Pearson in Educ)), then they have no interest in my best interest.

My school may absolutely know what is in my children's best interest ... where's the MONEY come from???
 
two related but not related issues.

before net neutrality when doing a search, yo u would always see certain sites at the top of the search list even if they were not related to your search. their companies paid money to ensure they were always at the top of your search.

related issue, . when I type my posts on this site, I am often randomly redirected to another unrelated site and my virus detection software kicks in to prevent the virus from attacking my computer. Although not totally related to net neutrality, this site has some major internet security issues. This only happens to me when posting on this site.

it's as if this site doesn't want me to post and is sending me elsewhere.
Those are paid ads and those still occur. Google and Bing continually perfect their algothrims to sell that data for marketing purposes. Granted it is better than 5 years ago and the costs are higher so the results are better.

SEO is amazing and people don’t realize how much information Google and Bing know about you that you knowingly give them for free. Your search history is categorized into attributes, demographics, location. I can tell you for my company how many people are actively on our site, what type of device (desktop/laptop, mobile, tablet), browser, operating system, exact geo coordinates, male/female, age range.

Don’t get me started on what Facebook has on us because I could talk to you for days. You ever wonder why those ads that appear seem to really speak to you?

For the second thing, that is a known bug issue that is constantly reported to Rivals.
 
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AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, etc. have spent the majority of the last decade taking proposed start-ups and Google to court to block them from competing, and every single time a local government votes on whether to consider internet a public utility, they are there en-masse to try to get it blocked from even being discussed (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...ng-about-building-own-broadband-network.shtml). They donate millions of dollars to various lobbyists to ensure that their gravy train won't ever run out.
That is clearly something that should be fixed. You are correct that Net Neutrality did not solve this problem. It's time to find another solution rather than cling to something that obviously didn't work.
 
two related but not related issues.

before net neutrality when doing a search, yo u would always see certain sites at the top of the search list even if they were not related to your search. their companies paid money to ensure they were always at the top of your search.
This has nothing to do with NN. This is what you always get if you use Firefox. It's one of the reasons why I uninstalled it.
 
Oh I am totally supportive of state's rights. BUT,... the money!!! And I have to respectfully disagree that the feds "hear the cries and want to help.' No fed rep has ever heard MY cries!!!!! and if there's not a huge corp involved (Pearson in Educ)), then they have no interest in my best interest.

My school may absolutely know what is in my children's best interest ... where's the MONEY come from???


the money is supposed to come from your local property taxes and state taxes. but states and communities are WIMPY and try to look like the nice guys by not taxing you the amount they need to provide you the services that are actually their responsibility. .

let's face it . we all hate paying taxes. We'd all love that money to come from somewhere else. But to have what we want, we need that money to come from somewhere...... hello, uncle Sam, can I have $90 million?
 
the money is supposed to come from your local property taxes and state taxes. but states and communities are WIMPY and try to look like the nice guys by not taxing you the amount they need to provide you the services that are actually their responsibility. .

let's face it . we all hate paying taxes. We'd all love that money to come from somewhere else. But to have what we want, we need that money to come from somewhere...... hello, uncle Sam, can I have $90 million?
Hello old farmer with no kids in school - can I raise your taxes a tiny bit ... oh, wait, you have 900 acres ... ok, I understand your hating me.

Hello new factory that promises to hire 67 workers ... sure,, you can have a tax abatement and not pay property taxes. Uh, don't tell me ANYthing about you wanting to bring most of those workers in from somewhere else ... and NEVER mention that they average three kids per worker - so we might need a new addition on the school and three new teachers.

Hello family with four children and you are meth-heads ... you won't pay any taxes in jail, but your kids will go to school.

But wait- if we privatize the schools, then Pearson will do what all good stock-exchange companies do ... minimize the workforce, centralize admin so one principal can cover three schools, and hope no one checks on quality control, or send the slow learners somewhere else to deal with - like we do when we get defective parts. ... just send them back so everything that we "produce" is perfect - according to standardized testing.
 
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Hello old farmer with no kids in school - can I raise your taxes a tiny bit ... oh, wait, you have 900 acres ... ok, I understand your hating me.

Hello new factory that promises to hire 67 workers ... sure,, you can have a tax abatement and not pay property taxes.

Hello family with four children and you are meth-heads ... you won't pay any taxes in jail, but your kids will go to school.


I understand both sides of the issue.. Good things cost money. the question I raise, is if you pay $5,000 in taxes, would you rather pay it to the federal government to provide you the services you need? or would you rather pay that money to your state and local government? Who do you trust more ? for me, the answer is easy - I live in Illinois.
 
I understand both sides of the issue.. Good things cost money. the question I raise, is if you pay $5,000 in taxes, would you rather pay it to the federal government to provide you the services you need? or would you rather pay that money to your state and local government? Who do you trust more ? for me, the answer is easy - I live in Illinois.
I don't think it's that. I think it's people not prioritizing what will truly bring value to "them" or their area. People vote on taxes, as they should, but they are so beaten down by the feds for getting NOTHING but stupid shit, that they are against every tax there is ... they don't differentiate between fed and local ... its just a tax ... and if gov does nothing about stupid high prescription prices, then they won't do anything about stupid education systems either.
 
I understand both sides of the issue.. Good things cost money. the question I raise, is if you pay $5,000 in taxes, would you rather pay it to the federal government to provide you the services you need? or would you rather pay that money to your state and local government? Who do you trust more ? for me, the answer is easy - I live in Illinois.
You make really good points. My view is there is plenty of money to do all the things we need.....but the government at all levels do not spend taxpayers money wisely. The problem is a spending problem. The more we give them, the more they spend. So why should I want to give them 45% of my income to watch them waste the majority of it?
 
Sorry for the political post, but this might end up impacting all if us.

If you hadn't heard, the vote to repeal Net Neutrality passed yesterday and opens the door for ISPs to pull some major shenanigans on us consumers.

Things can get so bad that it possibly can even impact your access to this site and any others, unless you pay more.

I encourage all of you to research this and then call your congressmen to try and get this stopped (I'd you oppose it).

Again sorry for the political and dire post, I just thought it was important enough, for all of us, that it needed brought up.

Thanks. Now we can go back to bickering :)
"Net neutrality" is anything but.

It's a big government attempt to brand something that sounds cool, neat, and desirable, yet it's nothing more than a government takeover of the interwebs.

The internet exploded from 1995-ish until 2015, when the big government-types oversold and over-hyped this "net neutrality" bullsh*t on unsuspecting fools. People don't need it, but the big government types do.

If you want government takeover of the internet, if you think you need to have an incompetent bureaucracy in charge of something they've never improved, push for "net neuter-ality".

On the other hand, if you want to have competitive forces pushing for lower prices, offering numerous options, flip the big government bureaucrats the bird and tell them to leave your internet alone.
 
I am glad it's gone. The Patriot Act wasn't patriotic, Affordable Care Act wasn't affordable and Net Neutrality wasn't neutral. It was a democrat scheme to gain control of the internet and would have been weaponized just as the IRS, FBI and DOJ are now. Net Neutrality is a massive tax scheme that would have driven our internet usage costs way up to provide Obama-phone style internet to poor urban areas.

Wow. Solid post.
 
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"Net neutrality" is anything but.

It's a big government attempt to brand something that sounds cool, neat, and desirable, yet it's nothing more than a government takeover of the interwebs.

The internet exploded from 1995-ish until 2015, when the big government-types oversold and over-hyped this "net neutrality" bullsh*t on unsuspecting fools. People don't need it, but the big government types do.

If you want government takeover of the internet, if you think you need to have an incompetent bureaucracy in charge of something they've never improved, push for "net neuter-ality".

On the other hand, if you want to have competitive forces pushing for lower prices, offering numerous options, flip the big government bureaucrats the bird and tell them to leave your internet alone.

It continually amazes me how people tie Net Neutrality to big, bad gov't oversight, and protecting consumers and small startups = bad! Yes, big bad oversight to make sure that the already-monopolistic entities can't charge more money for access to certain sites, like YouTube, Facebook, Netflix, etc. Or at the very least, choke people's throughput to those sites to make them unreachable if they don't take the "Deluxe sites plan."

The Telco companies have lobbied millions upon millions of dollars to be able to do this, as well as sell your browsing data. They already lined enough politicians pockets to do the latter, and they're on the cusp of achieving the former. And we have people touting this as a good thing, because "hurr durr big gubmint! Muh freedoms!"

I seriously don't believe it. We have one party that continually puts more power into the hands of Fortune 500 companies and rips it away from everyday Americans. And the people who put these people in power actually think the most hated companies on the planet having more power is a good thing. Because Big Business has always shown that it can self-regulate, and be trusted to not completely screw over citizens...certainly not AT&T or Comcast!
 
It continually amazes me how people tie Net Neutrality to big, bad gov't oversight, and protecting consumers and small startups = bad! Yes, big bad oversight to make sure that the already-monopolistic entities can't charge more money for access to certain sites, like YouTube, Facebook, Netflix, etc. Or at the very least, choke people's throughput to those sites to make them unreachable if they don't take the "Deluxe sites plan."

The Telco companies have lobbied millions upon millions of dollars to be able to do this, as well as sell your browsing data. They already lined enough politicians pockets to do the latter, and they're on the cusp of achieving the former. And we have people touting this as a good thing, because "hurr durr big gubmint! Muh freedoms!"

I seriously don't believe it. We have one party that continually puts more power into the hands of Fortune 500 companies and rips it away from everyday Americans. And the people who put these people in power actually think the most hated companies on the planet having more power is a good thing. Because Big Business has always shown that it can self-regulate, and be trusted to not completely screw over citizens...certainly not AT&T or Comcast!

there is nothing, but NOTHING that "net neutrality" does to help consumers.

It doesn't lower costs, open competition for more options, nothing.

It's a big government ruse to try to sell the gullible that they're being screwed so they can be governed. (Translation: controlled)

I don't give a fat rat's @ss about any scape-goated "Fortune 500" company. I don't work for one, and I certainly don't invest my hopes in a party that tells me to trust in them, only to have them looking for ways to monitor more of my activity and reduce my freedom.

You can trust the all-knowing, all-seeing big government if you like, but no thanks.
 
I'm part of big government and was sent here to monitor your activities

I'm posting on behalf of pastorjoeboggs.
Names, characters, businesses, places, events and incidents are either the products of the author's imagination or used in a fictitious manner. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental.
 
there is nothing, but NOTHING that "net neutrality" does to help consumers.

It doesn't lower costs, open competition for more options, nothing.

It's a big government ruse to try to sell the gullible that they're being screwed so they can be governed. (Translation: controlled)

I don't give a fat rat's @ss about any scape-goated "Fortune 500" company. I don't work for one, and I certainly don't invest my hopes in a party that tells me to trust in them, only to have them looking for ways to monitor more of my activity and reduce my freedom.

You can trust the all-knowing, all-seeing big government if you like, but no thanks.

Lol, do you even have any clue what Net Neutrality is? Are you that ill informed that you think its about lower prices and more competition for all? No, the cable and telco conglomerates already have it all worked out to where they have "No compete" agreements to keep the price of cable and internet artificially high. Dont you ever wonder why your town might have Comcast, but the town over has Brighthouse/Spectrum? This is the case around much of Indy and the rest of the state.

But its not surprising that most of you folks don't actually realize what's at play here. The last bit of power the consumer actually had (not having to pay to access certain sites or access them at advertised speeds) was at play. And the Repubs sold us out in favor of the telcos gouging us more. The best part is that they've convinced you guys this will actually benefit us...
 
Lol, do you even have any clue what Net Neutrality is? Are you that ill informed that you think its about lower prices and more competition for all? No, the cable and telco conglomerates already have it all worked out to where they have "No compete" agreements to keep the price of cable and internet artificially high. Dont you ever wonder why your town might have Comcast, but the town over has Brighthouse/Spectrum? This is the case around much of Indy and the rest of the state.

But its not surprising that most of you folks don't actually realize what's at play here. The last bit of power the consumer actually had (not having to pay to access certain sites or access them at advertised speeds) was at play. And the Repubs sold us out in favor of the telcos gouging us more. The best part is that they've convinced you guys this will actually benefit us...
Haha. The last bit of power is at play - THATS WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE THE GOVERNMENT STEP IN TO HELP.

If you want more government control over the internet and your life, move to China.

The republicans sold you out? Again, Wall St banks funded Obama and were funding Hillary.
 
Wall St banks funded Obama and were funding Hillary.
This statement is very true and is why I voted Republican for the first time in my life this past election.

That said, I have come to the conclusion that neither party has the interests of the people in mind. At this point we simply get to pick the lesser of two evils as it were.
 
That said, I have come to the conclusion that neither party has the interests of the people in mind. At this point we simply get to pick the lesser of two evils as it were.
This. All of this.

South Park did an episode called Vote or Die where the kids had to pick between Giant Douche or Turd Sandwich. That is where we are right now.
 
That said, I have come to the conclusion that neither party has the interests of the people in mind. At this point we simply get to pick the lesser of two evils as it were.
This. All of this.

South Park did an episode called Vote or Die where the kids had to pick between Giant Douche or Turd Sandwich. That is where we are right now.

thankfully voters do have more choices.... unfortunately many just buy into the paul Ryan talk that it is only binary. that is the one thing the two parties agree on lol.... make us think its a limited choice and treat it like team sports (much like the limited choices in isp/cable).

as long as we avoid restrictions, the internet, social media, etc, can provide other party candidates or independents to challenge the establishment binary parties more than ever before. and the newcomers won't necessarily need to be the wealthy elite like trump to accomplish that.
 
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Philosophically, I agree - other than roads, bridges, fire protection, education (???), local police, courts, jail, prison, water/sewer (I have a well/septic and they work in the country), trash, snow (again,, in the country farmers and neighbors and pits can solve these, but not so much in the city - or the roads to the city)...
essentially military and infrastructure wiht the few others going more local and less federal...
 
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