OT: Giannis question

[BCfanatic2020]

Sorry.. I don’t post on the basketball board and I like reading a lot of non topic stuff here..

So, Giannis can’t shoot right. Debunking the whole “you have to shoot threes, or youd never be effective in this era” garbage.

so, since he can’t shoot, just like Shawn kemp couldn’t shoot and probably worse than Kevin Garnett as a shooter.. is he as athletic as either player was?

and if the answer is “well, no,” are we really in an era that could be dominated by Shawn kemp?

 

[nat100]

He’s more athletic than kemp

 

[BCfanatic2020]

He’s more athletic than kemp

Looks that way when you can’t touch him? Or is? Check #8.. dudes body goes parallel to the floor when he dunks lol.

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

Thanks for the clip. Kemp was one of the best dunkers ever.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

He’s more athletic than kemp

I don’t know about that, but he is bigger, stronger and more skilled.

 

[Sophie1970]

He’s more athletic than kemp

AIN’T…NO…WAY

 

[BCfanatic2020]

I don’t know about that, but he is bigger, stronger and more skilled.

All this skill stuff is an illusion. A lot easier to look skilled when Jerry colangelo makes it so that no one can touch you.. because surprise surprise, Jerry’s best player Steve nash played way better when nobody could touch him.. than it is when Charles Oakley is allowed to claw grab and hold on to you for dear life

giannis is not better than Kevin Garnett. He’s not more anything than KG.. but KG was skinny in a league where goons were allowed to neutralize athleticism by playing football.

what people don’t realize is that most of the star players back then were the VICTIM of that.

easier to be a non contact finesse offensive player today. Easier to be Charles Oakley or Jerome kersey back then

Look at the first dunk by kemp.. he literally goes 360 while splitting defenders off the dribble lol. And you could actually touch him.

that’s why nobody over 35 gives a flying F about today’s nba and when Michael Jordan played and I was at my neighbors house, his 89 year old grandma would drop what she was doing for a bulls playoff game. You don’t see grandmas in Philly like “stop the press, Giannis is playing.” And I like Giannis a lot more than most of these players. Much like lebron James he’d be BETTER if you instituted normal physicality. Durant would look a lot like early career KG (hardly the predominant player of that era) and Steph curry would turn into Reggie Miller. Best shooter.. fringe top ten player

 

[IUhaterade]

Sorry.. I don’t post on the basketball board and I like reading a lot of non topic stuff here..

So, Giannis can’t shoot right. Debunking the whole “you have to shoot threes, or youd never be effective in this era” garbage.

so, since he can’t shoot, just like Shawn kemp couldn’t shoot and probably worse than Kevin Garnett as a shooter.. is he as athletic as either player was?

and if the answer is “well, no,” are we really in an era that could be dominated by Shawn kemp?

Giannis handles better than Garnett ever did. Major difference imo

 

[New Pal Boiler]

All this skill stuff is an illusion. A lot easier to look skilled when Jerry colangelo makes it so that no one can touch you.. because surprise surprise, Jerry’s best player Steve nash played way better when nobody could touch him.. than it is when Charles Oakley is allowed to claw grab and hold on to you for dear life

giannis is not better than Kevin Garnett. He’s not more anything than KG.. but KG was skinny in a league where goons were allowed to neutralize athleticism by playing football.

what people don’t realize is that most of the star players back then were the VICTIM of that.

easier to be a non contact finesse offensive player today. Easier to be Charles Oakley or Jerome kersey back then

Look at the first dunk by kemp.. he literally goes 360 while splitting defenders off the dribble lol. And you could actually touch him.

that’s why nobody over 35 gives a flying F about today’s nba and when Michael Jordan played and I was at my neighbors house, his 89 year old grandma would drop what she was doing for a bulls playoff game. You don’t see grandmas in Philly like “stop the press, Giannis is playing.” And I like Giannis a lot more than most of these players. Much like lebron James he’d be BETTER if you instituted normal physicality. Durant would look a lot like early career KG (hardly the predominant player of that era) and Steph curry would turn into Reggie Miller. Best shooter.. fringe top ten player

Grabbing and holding an offensive player has always been a foul, according to the rule book. Now it’s actually being called, so skilled players like Steph and KD flourish, instead of unskilled thugs like Oakley and Starks.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Giannis handles better than Garnett ever did. Major difference imo

That really wasn’t a function. Guards had to do that because a four could take both hands dig them in your ribs and drop down for the ball. Garnett didn’t have a post game with his back to the basket, which you had to gave back then..

Grabbing and holding an offensive player has always been a foul, according to the rule book. Now it’s actually being called, so skilled players like Steph and KD flourish, instead of unskilled thugs like Oakley and Starks.

yes, but you drew a parallel between the guys who would be GETTING FOULED and guys DOING THE FOULING. My point is.. imagine Sam Perkins If you can’t touch him. He played in a league where Oakley went to an all star game and he didn’t

 

[New Pal Boiler]

That really wasn’t a function. Guards had to do that because a four could take both hands dig them in your ribs and drop down for the ball. Garnett didn’t have a post game with his back to the basket, which you had to gave back then..

yes, but you drew a parallel between the guys who would be GETTING FOULED and guys DOING THE FOULING. My point is.. imagine Sam Perkins If you can’t touch him. He played in a league where Oakley went to an all star game and he didn’t

Who are you saying Perkins would compare with in today’s game?

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Who are you saying Perkins would compare with in today’s game?

I hadn’t gotten that far, but you’re aware that this is the part you never hear in today’s nba marketing propaganda right? Sam Perkins didn’t go to an all star game and Charles Oakley did.

cliff robinson was 6’10” and jumped out of the gym but he backed up far less athletic players like Jerome kersey and buck williams. They could handle the bullying and physical play, he couldn’t .. Glenn robinson, Danny manning .. the list goes on and on. You think Rasheed Wallace wasn’t better than he looked with guys holding him.

you repeated the same dichotomy that exists in today’s propaganda. Steph curry vs John starks. No.. it’s Steph curry vs Kevin Johnson and his facial dunk on Hakeem if you couldn’t beat Kevin Johnson up to the point where he’s injury riddled within a few years. Cause I can pull Kevin aside and say “hey In this game you gotta work on your three.”

You can’t get Steph curry to do this…

 

[BCfanatic2020]

@New Pal Boiler if you think it doesn’t matter I’d implore you to consider this..

Jordan was fighting nagging short term injuries against a knicks team who could beat him up in the 93 ECF..

32.2 PPG on only 40% shooting. You could argue one of the worst series of his career ..

the very next series he played a Phoenix suns team whose personnel made it so that they played much more like a 2021 team…

Jordan gets 41.0 on 50% FG.. and there is a record of what it looks like when a team just for whatever reason doesn’t touch him. And they still touched him a lot more than what would be allowed today.

that said I think Giannis and lebron would do fine. They got body.. unlike durant and curry

 

[New Pal Boiler]

@New Pal Boiler if you think it doesn’t matter I’d implore you to consider this..

Jordan was fighting nagging short term injuries against a knicks team who could beat him up in the 93 ECF..

32.2 PPG on only 40% shooting. You could argue one of the worst series of his career ..

the very next series he played a Phoenix suns team whose personnel made it so that they played much more like a 2021 team…

Jordan gets 41.0 on 50% FG.. and there is a record of what it looks like when a team just for whatever reason doesn’t touch him. And they still touched him a lot more than what would be allowed today.

that said I think Giannis and lebron would do fine. They got body.. unlike durant and curry

Jordan is the greatest player of all time. Doesn’t justify the refs not calling obvious fouls.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I hadn’t gotten that far, but you’re aware that this is the part you never hear in today’s nba marketing propaganda right? Sam Perkins didn’t go to an all star game and Charles Oakley did.

cliff robinson was 6’10” and jumped out of the gym but he backed up far less athletic players like Jerome kersey and buck williams. They could handle the bullying and physical play, he couldn’t .. Glenn robinson, Danny manning .. the list goes on and on. You think Rasheed Wallace wasn’t better than he looked with guys holding him.

you repeated the same dichotomy that exists in today’s propaganda. Steph curry vs John starks. No.. it’s Steph curry vs Kevin Johnson and his facial dunk on Hakeem if you couldn’t beat Kevin Johnson up to the point where he’s injury riddled within a few years. Cause I can pull Kevin aside and say “hey In this game you gotta work on your three.”

You can’t get Steph curry to do this…

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Steph would have scored 25 ppg in any era. You can’t defend what he does, just hope he misses the pull up 30 footer.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Jordan is the greatest player of all time. Doesn’t justify the refs not calling obvious fouls.

There’s a couple things going on here..

> when someone has a modern mindset they always say “well they should have called those fouls.” And what I’m saying is.. yeah but they didn’t.. so you have to imagine players from back then who were the targets of the physical play and ask “well, what do they look like if bullies can’t grab and hold them?” I don’t think in a given set of rules.. Giannis is a better player than Kevin Garnett. But he will look better in these rules than Garnett did then.

> the league went too far. By Kobe’s prime the dirty stuff was gone. They went from grab and claw to.. you can ride a guy with your forearm as he’s driving .. you can put a forearm in a centers back and push.

now you ride Jordan, he is explosive enough to go through it, get a running start and dunk over contact. You push O’Neal, he can back two guys down and slam in their face.

in 06.. the league had a problem .. they realized that players like O’Neal and Jordan don’t come along. Sometimes the league has no players quite like that.

take Jordan.. 6’6” could jump out of the gym, had the strength to go through contact, but also elite pg quickness.

Kobe was just slower than Jordan by just enough that you didn’t need to be the 93 knicks.. just a forearm turned him into a 40% shooter in multiple finals losses.

so what do you do.. you reverse engineer Jordans by taking the forearm out of the game. Except Jordan was Jordan WITH the forearm and much worse.. O’Neal was O’Neal with the knicks grabbing him.

talent is equal since about 83.. so I’m not saying these guys can’t play.. but it’s being presented as though SOME of them are much better than they are

 

[Bippus33]

Looks that way when you can’t touch him? Or is? Check #8.. dudes body goes parallel to the floor when he dunks lol.

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Yep.... Not as athletic......TIC....

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Yep.... Not as athletic......TIC....

I’ll tell you a lightbulb moment for me. The nba will always market right now. They say things that are true.. until some player retires. Then NOBODY thinks that. Some would say dirk was an evolutionary Larry bird, until he suddenly wasn’t. Kobe was Jordan according to mark Jackson. Now, you can’t meet 5 people outside LA who think that.

there’s a 12 year old right now who will become the best player in the league in 15 years.. and people will be like “Steph curry? Who is that?”

about a month ago I was watching an old playoff game on YouTube … the commercials came on and they encouraged you to “watch the Boston Celtics TWO young superstars Paul pierce and ANTOINE WALKER.”

that’s when I understood lol

 

[IUhaterade]

I’ll tell you a lightbulb moment for me. The nba will always market right now. They say things that are true.. until some player retires. Then NOBODY thinks that. Some would say dirk was an evolutionary Larry bird, until he suddenly wasn’t. Kobe was Jordan according to mark Jackson. Now, you can’t meet 5 people outside LA who think that.

there’s a 12 year old right now who will become the best player in the league in 15 years.. and people will be like “Steph curry? Who is that?”

about a month ago I was watching an old playoff game on YouTube … the commercials came on and they encouraged you to “watch the Boston Celtics TWO young superstars Paul pierce and ANTOINE WALKER.”

that’s when I understood lol

No one believes that anyone will ever ask who is steph curry. He’s already being listed as a top-5 “1” all-time

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Steph would have scored 25 ppg in any era. You can’t defend what he does, just hope he misses the pull up 30 footer.

I think he’s do what Reggie Miller did in any era. Low 20s on a winning team that is hardly the predominant team of the era.

if you drop him on the pacers and swap out the PG and then do a talent swap at pacers PG and replacement SG.. literally no difference ..

so if you had a staring lineup with Smits, d. Davis, schrempf, a 6’7” Pooh Richardson and curry.. the production would be similar as would the pacers stature in the league in 1993.

those rules were designed to make you be a dunker at the basket. Starks could pick you up with a hand all over you full court, then when the screen came Oakley would jam the screener and take him out of the play. Then starks would overplay the outside shot all day and everyone would funnel you to the basket where Ewing is going to wipe you out unless you are 6’6” with a 40” vertical leap and you can tomahawk a dunk over him.

then there’s a couple other factors.. you keep getting hit and nagging injuries happen: everyone likes to pretend that you go up for a shot and get knocked down 5 times a game and you’re just bouncing all over the place .. you aren’t.

additionally once you were fouled.. another player hitting you again Didn’t draw another foul. So you’d get hacked by one guy then body contact by two more.

curry would still be a threat but this idea that he’d define the game with players like Jordan, O’Neal, Duncan, Bryant and James (but under the old rules) is comical.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

No one believes that anyone will ever ask who is steph curry. He’s already being listed as a top-5 “1” all-time

I’m not saying literally they will say that but .. here’s how I’m telling you the nba media works. Let’s say a PG comes along and he’s not quite the shooter curry Is but he’s more athletic.. BUT it’s clear to unbiased people that he’s not quite the player Steph is.. but he is the best player in that nba.. the Kendrick Perkins of that day will be like “Jeremy smith dunks on people.. did Steph curry even dunk in games” or some other stupid crap.

ive had conversations with warriors fans who will look you in the eye and act like Kobe Bryant and Hakeem Olajuwon ain’t shit compared to curry. And wilt chamberlain. My nephew thinks he’s the second best player ever behind Jordan. It’s comical

I couldn’t stand Kobe Bryant when he played. Kobe Bryant and 11 guys from the Y would eat Steph curry and 11 guys from the Y alive

 

[IUhaterade]

I’m not saying literally they will say that but .. here’s how I’m telling you the nba media works. Let’s say a PG comes along and he’s not quite the shooter curry Is but he’s more athletic.. BUT it’s clear to unbiased people that he’s not quite the player Steph is.. but he is the best player in that nba.. the Kendrick Perkins of that day will be like “Jeremy smith dunks on people.. did Steph curry even dunk in games” or some other stupid crap.

ive had conversations with warriors fans who will look you in the eye and act like Kobe Bryant and Hakeem Olajuwon ain’t shit compared to curry. And wilt chamberlain. My nephew thinks he’s the second best player ever behind Jordan. It’s comical

I couldn’t stand Kobe Bryant when he played. Kobe Bryant and 11 guys from the Y would eat Steph curry and 11 guys from the Y alive

So… Russell Westbrook

 

[BCfanatic2020]

So… Russell Westbrook

Exactly. He is not better than Steph curry to me.. but if that’s all the league had.. they’d act like he was

and then as soon as Westbrook retired everyone would be like “of course he’s not better than Steph curry.. everyone knows that.” Lol

 

[Wolegib]

Jordan was 6'6 and played against a lot of 6'1 - 6'3 shooting guards trying to defend him. Giannis has that same height advantage the bucks used a 6'5 tucker to try to defend Durant. height does make a difference. And so does your supporting cast. The bulls did have a very nice supporting cast to jordan, and the y all knew their roles. Was kobe really better than the BIG O or pistol pete? or Dr J ? Dr j almost played for the bucks with Abdul jabbar. just think how many titles that team might have won. Could jordan beat Wilt or Magic in a game of one on one? I believe the term GOAT is over used. Looking at football, who is the better QB ? brady? Rodgers, or mahomes? Looking at purdue, who was their greatest QB of all time? herrman? greise? blough? breese? greise enjoyed the most team success in college and the pros. his personal stats were rather mediocre. Bart Starr's personal stats were also rather mediocre.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Jordan was 6'6 and played against a lot of 6'1 - 6'3 shooting guards trying to defend him. Giannis has that same height advantage the bucks used a 6'5 tucker to try to defend Durant. height does make a difference. And so does your supporting cast. The bulls did have a very nice supporting cast to jordan, and the y all knew their roles. Was kobe really better than the BIG O or pistol pete? or Dr J ? Dr j almost played for the bucks with Abdul jabbar. just think how many titles that team might have won. Could jordan beat Wilt or Magic in a game of one on one? I believe the term GOAT is over used. Looking at football, who is the better QB ? brady? Rodgers, or mahomes? Looking at purdue, who was their greatest QB of all time? herrman? greise? blough? breese? greise enjoyed the most team success in college and the pros. his personal stats were rather mediocre. Bart Starr's personal stats were also rather mediocre.

Jordan was better at more than any one player ever. His resume shows that. And you go by resume. What actually happened not what people perceive a players talent to be. If players always played to their talent wilt would have won the championship in 1969 and 1970 and lebron would have won in 2011.

jordan not only led more teams to championships than anyone but Russell, he is the all time leader in player efficiency rating .. his stats far outpace Russell.

where you really see Jordan’s value is in win shares… he simply accounted for more production than other players who led championship teams. Example.. look at the 2017 warriors .. win shares

Curry 12.6
durant 12.0
Green 8.2
Thompson 7.1

now look at the 1992 Chicago bulls

Jordan 20.3
Pippen 11.2
Grant 10.3
Paxson 5.7

Unlike your Abdul-Jabbar Erving example Jordan never played with anyone whose production came anywhere close to him. Not like curry with Durant, not like magic and Kareem… not like anthony Davis and lebron or Kobe and gasol.

jordan was the most productive player on championship teams ever. Of players who have led teams to championships Jordan owns 5 of the top 10 seasons in win shares. No other player appears more than once. Kareem appears in 71.. but not again. Lebron in 16, but not again.. wily appears in 67 but not again and so on

so what you’re saying is kinda like if I said “hey maybe I can fly.” I can say that but it doesn’t make it true

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Jordan was 6'6 and played against a lot of 6'1 - 6'3 shooting guards trying to defend him. Giannis has that same height advantage the bucks used a 6'5 tucker to try to defend Durant. height does make a difference. And so does your supporting cast. The bulls did have a very nice supporting cast to jordan, and the y all knew their roles. Was kobe really better than the BIG O or pistol pete? or Dr J ? Dr j almost played for the bucks with Abdul jabbar. just think how many titles that team might have won. Could jordan beat Wilt or Magic in a game of one on one? I believe the term GOAT is over used. Looking at football, who is the better QB ? brady? Rodgers, or mahomes? Looking at purdue, who was their greatest QB of all time? herrman? greise? blough? breese? greise enjoyed the most team success in college and the pros. his personal stats were rather mediocre. Bart Starr's personal stats were also rather mediocre.

Here.. here are top win shares in championship seasons .. what you’ll see time and time again is that the very best season another Top ten player could produce was just another championship season for Jordan. So Kareem’s 71 season is tops all time. All of Jordan’s championship seasons are accounted for EIGHT spots ahead of kareems second season in championship win shares.

so… if what nba analysts were concerned with was truth.. well they’d just show this list and said end of discussion.

for reference if giannis wins, his 10.2 this season would tie Bill Walton for 54th on this list

Win shares in championship seasons

1. 71 Abdul-Jabber 22.3
2. 67 Chamberlain 22.9
3. 96 Jordan 20.4
4. 91 Jordan 20.3
5. 13 James 19.3
6. 01 O’Neal 18.6
7. 97 Jordan 18.3
8. 92 Jordan 17.7
9. 64 Russell 17.3
10. 93 Jordan 17.2
11. 65 Russell 16.9
12. 03 Duncan 16.5
13. 87 Magic 15.9
14. 98 Jordan 15.8
15. 86 Bird 15.8
16. 72 Chamberlain 15.8
17. 15 Curry 15.7
18. 62 Russell 15.5
19. 83 Malone 15.1
20. 70 Frazier 15.0
21. 01 O’Neal 14.9
22. 80 Abdul-Jabbar 14.8
23. 12 James 14.5
24. 06 Wade 14.4
25. 94 Olajuwon 14.3
26. 09 Gasol 13.9
27. 60 Russell 13.8
28. 16 James 13.6
29. 84 Bird 13.6
30. 63 Russell 13.5
31. 02 O’Neal 13.2
32. 07 Duncan 13.0
33. 61 Russell 13.0
34. 73 Frazier 13.0
35. 08 Garnett 12.9
36. 82 Magic 12.9
37. 59 Russell 12.9
38. 85 Magic 12.7
39. 75 Barry 12.7
40. 17 Curry 12.6
41. 66 Russell 11.7
42. 04 Billups 11.3
43. 69 Howell 11.3
44. 05 Duncan 11.2
45. 11 Nowitzki 11.1
46. 10 Gasol 11.0
47. 58 Pettit 11.0
48. 81 Maxwell 11.0
49. 88 Magic 10.9
50. 95 Olajuwon 10.7
51. 76 Cowens 10.7
52. 18 Durant 10.4
53. 57 Sharman 10.4
54. 77 Walton 10.2
55. 90 Laimbeer 10.1
56. 68 Howell 10.1
57. 74 Havlicek 9.7
58. 19 Leonard 9.5
59. 89 Laimbeer 9.0
60. 79 Sikma 8.8
61. 99 Duncan 8.7 (14.2 in 82 game season)
62. 78 Hayes 8.3
63. 14 Leonard 7.7
    
    

 

[DAG10]

He’s more athletic than kemp

Says the guy that was not dunked on by Shawn Kemp in the 8th Grade...and then got benched for rolling their eyes at the Coach who had implored them to "get in front and deny the entry pass"...as if THAT was the problem, never mind solution.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Says the guy that was not dunked on by Shawn Kemp in the 8th Grade...and then got benched for rolling their eyes at the Coach who had implored them to "get in front and deny the entry pass"...as if THAT was the problem, never mind solution.

Wait what? Are you saying nat swatted kemp

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I think he’s do what Reggie Miller did in any era.

Steph would be better than Reggie in any era. Reggie was slow and had no handle.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

There’s a couple things going on here..

> when someone has a modern mindset they always say “well they should have called those fouls.” And what I’m saying is.. yeah but they didn’t.. so you have to imagine players from back then who were the targets of the physical play and ask “well, what do they look like if bullies can’t grab and hold them?” I don’t think in a given set of rules.. Giannis is a better player than Kevin Garnett. But he will look better in these rules than Garnett did then.

> the league went too far. By Kobe’s prime the dirty stuff was gone. They went from grab and claw to.. you can ride a guy with your forearm as he’s driving .. you can put a forearm in a centers back and push.

now you ride Jordan, he is explosive enough to go through it, get a running start and dunk over contact. You push O’Neal, he can back two guys down and slam in their face.

in 06.. the league had a problem .. they realized that players like O’Neal and Jordan don’t come along. Sometimes the league has no players quite like that.

take Jordan.. 6’6” could jump out of the gym, had the strength to go through contact, but also elite pg quickness.

Kobe was just slower than Jordan by just enough that you didn’t need to be the 93 knicks.. just a forearm turned him into a 40% shooter in multiple finals losses.

so what do you do.. you reverse engineer Jordans by taking the forearm out of the game. Except Jordan was Jordan WITH the forearm and much worse.. O’Neal was O’Neal with the knicks grabbing him.

talent is equal since about 83.. so I’m not saying these guys can’t play.. but it’s being presented as though SOME of them are much better than they are

Jordan got as many calls as anyone. Did you watch the 1998 Eastern Conference finals?

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Jordan got as many calls as anyone. Did you watch the 1998 Eastern Conference finals?

You’re talking about something different. Back then you could ride someone with a forearm all day, no call. Jordan got a ton of calls on things BEYOND THAT. Now, you just can’t touch the guy.

there’s a reason Steve nash was not as good as John Stockton, not on any planet, not in any way. But then in 06 when the new rules were implemented he went from what I just said to looking like Stockton and then some… at ages 31 and 32 in the first two years of the new rules

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Steph would be better than Reggie in any era. Reggie was slow and had no handle.

Again, you’re interpreting things based on watching Steph when you literally can’t touch him. Reggie was quick as hell. Reggie was also getting hit as was his screener.

put Steph on the 93 pacers without all of his superstar babysitters and with contact that forces you to attack the basket and finish over contact .. his production would be similar as would the pacers stature in the league.

Steve nash… nobody cared in 05. New rules.. two time mvp at age 31 and 32

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Again, you’re interpreting things based on watching Steph when you literally can’t touch him. Reggie was quick as hell.

You can’t touch a guy with crazy handles who can pull up on a dime and rain from 30. If you try, he runs you into a screen and then shoots over your big. In any era.

And Reggie “quick as hell”? LOL.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Steph would be better than Reggie in any era. Reggie was slow and had no handle.

And im not a Stan … our prime lebron on the pacers with a SG version of detlef and the bulls are gonna have to go a hard 6 or 7 to beat that team.

I’ll buy the idea that Steph would be somewhat better than Reggie.. maybe marginally. But better where his impact rises to the level of Jordan or Olajuwon ? No. And that pacers team would be quickly outpaced by the Magic’s addition of penny hardaway in the offseason.

there isn’t a player Steph could guard on the 93-94 magic in a contact era .. you’d drop penny or Nick Anderson in the post all day opposite O’Neal … then on defense both are bigger and better athletes than Steph.. and they can get physical

 

[BCfanatic2020]

You can’t touch a guy with crazy handles who can pull up on a dime and rain from 30. If you try, he runs you into a screen and then shoots over your big. In any era.

And Reggie “quick as hell”? LOL.

You don’t get it … they could get into your body full court and they did. Go back l and watch Sidney Moncrief, joe dumars amd dennis Johnson … it was said that once Johnson got a hand on you he could direct you anywhere he wanted to on the court and you couldn’t get away.

the pistons and knicks would go through your screener all day long and it wasn’t called.. one time I remember anthony mason had to literally put his shoulder in Scottie pippens stomach and ride him 20 feet for him to get a foul call at which point Doug Collins bragged that “well the Knicks are just bigger and stronger at every position so they just go through your screens.”

Steph would hit shots.. enough to win series against the Knicks and bulls and change the game? No..

By the way his 30 footers is what allowed lebron to keep that series alive and win in 16. He got too cute

 

[BCfanatic2020]

What the F is Steph curry gonna do with that in a contact era ??

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Again, you’re interpreting things based on watching Steph when you literally can’t touch him. Reggie was quick as hell. Reggie was also getting hit as was his screener.

put Steph on the 93 pacers without all of his superstar babysitters and with contact that forces you to attack the basket and finish over contact .. his production would be similar as would the pacers stature in the league.

Steve nash… nobody cared in 05. New rules.. two time mvp at age 31 and 32

Dumars ain’t running thru a Draymond screen. LOL.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Dumars ain’t running thru a Draymond screen. LOL.

Rodman would take green out.. you really have no understanding of how the game was played then..

Besides the proposition isn’t curry takes all his babysitters with him. If he’s that great you could drop him on the pacers and he’d do the same thing

if he’s as great as you say he is he doesn’t need three hall of famers babysitting him. Reggie had none. Jordan had one for his first three rings.

also you do realize that Rodman was quick enough to stay in front of prime Michael Jordan right? You don’t think he can switch on curry? And If the combination of dumars and Rodman overplay the three point shot by curry, dale Davis isn’t a three point threat.

 

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Dumars ain’t running thru a Draymond screen. LOL.

watch that.. before johnson dunks on Hakeem as he gets the ball in the corner Kenny smith does two things …

1. runs toward his body to put two hands on him there, not to jump to contest

2. he goes to his right shoulder not the front of his body and the motion he makes is to push him IN toward Hakeem.. because most times Hakeem will block the shot. They weren’t afraid to overplay the three and like bill russell said “send him to me I’ll be waiting for him.” That doesn’t exist in today’s game dude

 

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Jordan is the greatest player of all time. Doesn’t justify the refs not calling obvious fouls.

I think you mean LeBron.