Nojel Eastern
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How long has Painter ran this motion offense stuff?
When was the last time Purdue played zone?
Not sure who that person is but I’m not gonna let nobody still my joy or provoke me into saying something negative but I will say Nojel Eastern my son can really play. He doing everything well in practice and in due time his time will come. He’s in the gym everyday working on every aspect of his game to get better. He’s 6”7 at 223 pounds guard athletic and quick with high basketball IQ that can play and defend 4 positions and hopefully he’ll get a chance to show what he can do to help this team win and reach a Ncaa final 4 and another big 10 conference title. He’ll reach his dreams like many kids do to play at the next level. Not many scouts gonna overlook and take notice of his physical tools along with his size and athleticism so all he gotta do is keep working and grinding like he always does and he’ll get his chance. I no this he’s humble, works hard, a great teammate,teachable and wanna learn and god truly has brought a true blessing in my life that I’m truly proud of to have as a son.
You said, and I quote:
Nothing in your post or my reply had anything to do with defense (though he's definitely made adjustments there primarily focused on ball pressure).
But focusing on the offensive side of the ball, you are correct that he runs a motion offense. But there are a number of ways you can mix up motion offense. With E'Twaun and JaJuan, he ran a ton of pick and roll. With Hammons, Biggie and Haas, he's run a lot more postcentric sets. With the Hummel/Byrd/Smith set, he ran a lot more true motion to free up shooters. That you typed what you did tells me at least one of three things (and possible all):
- You don't watch Purdue basketball
- You lack the fundamental knowledge of the game to understand shifts in offensive philosophy within a core system
- You are a troll who making a poor attempt at critiquing a coach without a basis to do so
I don't think Painter is perfect, but I also don't buy the "unwilling to" or "won't" change arguments.
-I believe the base offense has always been motion, but it's been executed in a variety of ways. It was a 2-man offense when Moore & JJ were seniors (they took 50% of shots). It was a slasher & shooter offense the next year when Robbie was a super-senior (centers took only 3.5 shots per game if I remember correctly). We've seen feeding the post be priority 1 with Hammons, Swanigan, and Haas. Yes, it's all been based on "motion offense," but he's attempted to changed the desired outcomes of the offense to match his talent.
-The last time Purdue committed to playing some zone was 2014 when this year's seniors were freshmen. About one month into that season, Synergy Sports Technology had Purdue playing zone on 28.8% of defensive possessions compared to 0.7% the prior year (link to article). The zone was eventually shelved due to ineffectiveness, and Purdue rallied to make the tourney (JC article).
Please don't start that again. I thought we had gotten past the "You aren't a D1 coach so you can't have an opinion that goes against CMP"
One more time: It's a free message board and there are zero D1 coaches on here, including you and I. He expressed his opinion and gave reasons why he feels the way he does. He has also been on the board for many years (not a one time troll). Argue his points if you want, but please stop with the coaching B.S. That was a very tired strategy last year, you are better than that.
To his point: I agree that I have been frustrated with the lack of playing time/contribution that Ewing has given. He was touted as a top 5 Juco coming in. That would typically suggest he is ready for some sort of contribution at this level. Getting 4 or 5 minutes in a 60+ point blowout doesn't suggest he is going to give us anything this year. I'm surprised by that.
So let's get this straight, you think Painter is stubborn because he doesn't play zone because you want him to. So basically it's not CMP that won't change, it's you because you somehow think that is a magic bullet. Here is a little tidbit for you, he doesn't play zone because he doesn't need to. We have had very good success over the years with CMP's defense so there is no reason to change. Especially just because you want something that isn't needed.
I agree to whomever said it before, you haven't watched one game under Painter and I so glad none of you are coaching this team. We would never win a game if you were.
I’ve been watching college basketball for a long time. And in that time, More often than not JUCO’s aren’t ready to contribute much in their first year.
He's right though. It's an illini fan who constantly s*** talks purdue trying to get a reaction.
You need to follow the clues more closely. The OP indicated on another board that he was going to start sme sh-t over here with the mother of one of our players. He deserves all the negative comments he is getting because of this clear troll move. If I was a moderator this SOB would not post on here again.
The great thing is this person won’t get a rise out of me i no my son can play at this level with no problems just gotta be given a chance to play and his time is coming. I sure appreciate you all having my back being true boiler fans holding it down like some of you have. Now let’s pack Mackey tonight it’s gonna be a dog fight tonight but a fight I think we can win that battle. Boiler Up baby.
You have handled the trolls very well. I personally can't wait to see what your son can do for us .
Like you said his time will come and I have little doubt it will be epic.
I agree that a lot of Juco's aren't ready. However, the top level ones are usually able to contribute something. He was supposed to be top 5. That would suggest he could get more than garbage minutes in blow outs. It doesn't look like he is going to give us anything and I'm disappointed about that.
Ms. Reed- please forgive the Illini fan, who is probably just bitter that his brand new coach is tied to the FBI corruption crackdown.
I think I saw him at 8 on one board (247 composite). I'm disappointed too but I think it is due to a handful of things:
- He didn't arrive until summer was over because he didn't complete his academic responsibilities
- He's playing behind a 1st team All Big Ten power forward
- Grady Eifert is in his 4th year in the system and is better than your typical walk-on
He's one dimensional and rarely creates his own shot. He's a boom or bust type of player.
As far as the defense, I'm just saying we need to change from time to time and play zone against more athletic teams who we can't seem to beat on a regular basis. If we played zone against Kansas, the outcome would have been different. Years back against VCU, after that little a#$ guard kept driving the lane, killing us perhaps a zone would prevented that. From what I've seen against Tennessee, Vince Edwards had problems with the kid that backed down in the lane over and over and seemed to score at will. Michigan State is going to eat us alive playing them man to man. We don't have anyone that can guard JJJ or Bridges one on one in my opinion. I'm not worried about the Michigan St. guards. Since the team can't rebound worth a damn, perhaps a zone will give us an advantage.
There is no statistical gain to be had for us to change to zone. It won't stop us from being out rebounded nor will it stop people from shooting over us which is two of the biggest issues we had in our losses. Also if you watch our defense, our defenders sag off of the perimeter players and more than one defender comes over at times to help defend which is a concept of a zone.
I don't get the hang up with zone. Our defense through the years has been very good for the most part and a pure zone will solve nothing for us now.
Yeah I won't be 'following any clues' to figure out why someone is posting what they post. The post I quoted gave no indication of these "clues" and was before others chimed in with their "evidence". Even still the original post wasn't really that trolly. Whatever.
I don’t think that some posters realize how good Purdue’s help defense is for a team with a deficit in elite length and athleticism.
Fantastic point. The elements of a zone are already there, we just have to execute it when on the floor.
There are far more critical things to spend the time to address than implementing a pure zone just to throw in a wrinkle that probably won't confuse players nearly as much as some people think it will.
Don’t seem to be working. Where was this help defense when that little a$& guard from VCU kept penetrating the lane, scoring at will. Or, when the Tennessee player backing down V. Edwards. Nobody helped in those and many other situations. Against Michigan St, you send V. Edwards and perhaps Mathias on Bridges, he then finds a wide open JJJ for a dunk. Or Langford for a dunk or a wide open shot. On less than or comparable athletic teams, Purxue’s man defense is good.
Yep I am convinced more than ever you have never watched an actual Purdue game and are just using buzzwords found on this forum. If no one helped in those situations as you claim, then in zone they wouldn't of worked either since that is the concept of zone. So, you essentially have voided your own argument.
Zone isn't needed as when we are executing our man defense like it is supposed to be it gets the job done. And done exceptionally well.
VCU? How many years ago was that? You wanna break down the Mitch Richmond game while you are at it?
Whatever the defense, you have to be aggressive and aware at the same time. I was disappointed that we left Vince on an island in the Tennessee game. After a couple of times, we should have corrected that. In another case in the Bahamas the help came and no one rotated over to cover the open man from the help that helped. Part of it is athleticism, part of it is working hard and paying attention. If those things aren't there, a zone would not help. And when playing athletic, quick teams, those things don't work all the time. It's still a game of matchups. Hopefully in those cases, the offense is good enough to outscore the opponent.
Damn, you had to bring up the Mitch Richmond game. I think I needed professional counceling after that fiasco. You youngins on the board should be glad you weren’t around for that one. Did not mean to hjjack this thread but y’all need to realized that I’ve been a Purdue fan since ‘77 when my man Drake Morris first stepped on the Mackey Arena floor. Purdue student during the Three Amigo years. I just want Purdue to do well and make a long run in the NCAA tournament for a change. I’m just making observations that we keep doing the same things leading to the same results. Y’all carry on.
I didn’t watch the Tennessee game, but I totally agree that solid rotations are required regardless of scheme. Still, from what I see in the stats, Purdue’s initial D against Tennessee was excellent, but the problem was giving up offensive rebounds. Zone is not going to help with defensive rebounding.
There are many teams that play zone that struggle far more than Purdue on defense with much better athleticism. It is hard to think of a zone team that has more defensive success than Purdue that doesn’t have a bunch of long lanky athletes in the lineup. Syracuse is the classic example.
They Purdue recruited him as a PG but he has the size and athleticism to play other positions. He is a PG they way he thinks the game, pass and feel for the game. He makes those around him better that’s who he is and yes PG he will be a really big PG at the next level for sure. 6”7 223 pound fast, athletic guard will definitely open up some eyes. Working on his shot now to get that better and it has than the sky is the limit for him. Right now he just concentrating on getting better and improving everyday. When he gets his opportunity he’ll be able to contribute just needs some min to do what he is capable of doing and his time will come. I have nothing to do with that he was being recruited as a PG but has the versatility to play and defend multiple positions. He’ll getting better that’s all u can ask for
Junior college players are brought in as instant help at a position of need (in this case, power forward) because they’ve had two years of athletic and academic development. If a player seemingly doesn’t fit a program, that’s only the fault of the coaching staff responsible for scouting, recruiting and developing him.
And Vince did make third-team All-Big Ten -- once as a wing, with Swanigan at power forward. He’s being forced to play out of position like his freshman year and drawing fouls.
And, when it comes to playing Big Ten-level opponents, Eifert belongs next to Tommy Luce. Or we can let him guard the Bridges.
"Yeah I won't be 'following any clues' to figure out why someone is posting what they post." - Obviously.
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