You act like this is the first time Michigan has visited Purdue.
Also, michigan showed last year at Iowa it is perfectly capable of adapting the the lockerroom
No X-Ray Facility?
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You act like this is the first time Michigan has visited Purdue.
Also, michigan showed last year at Iowa it is perfectly capable of adapting the the lockerroom
Your logic amuses me. No, perhaps UM (and other B1G schools) know that PU will not provide AC units for its visitor locker room (we know that PU certainly didn't say so in its statement), so why bother asking for something that you know will be denied? A waste of time. That suggests the opposite of what you suggest, that UM has played at PU before and knows the crap conditions of the PU facilities will not be improved no matter what is requested.
UM certainly adapted to the cramped, excessively overheated locker room in the second half last Saturday, didn't it?
I don't know if any college stadiums have an MRI. From an article in the October 2015 issue of Radiology Today, as of 2015, only 2 NFL teams did, Dallas and Cincinnati.
Here is what you are missing, and this is coming from someone in the know how these things work. I worked as a Drum Major for the All American Marching Band and had to do similar things for our Ops Team for band and the university.
The University owns the equipment that is needed to provide A/C in the visitor's locker room and a request needs to be formally done via paperwork to the correct division within the University structure. That responsibility is left up to the visiting team because, you know, it's full of adults and not underage children. When that request never came in, Purdue did not provide anything they are not required. If you noticed, you didn't hear UM complaining about not getting the ice needed for their sidelines and that is because Purdue provided that as part of their responsibilities along with communication abilities from the sideline to the press box.
Again, in the statement you have provided that came from Purdue, they are to request the needed materials and the Purdue Athletic Department would notify them of the proper channels to obtain said A/C units. This has been going on since that building was built and this is literally the first time any team has come out and complained. Do you know why? Because other programs, including FCS programs like Indiana State has followed directions like any normal person would and obtained the needed equipment to ensure the safety of their own players. You know who else doesn't have air? Camp Randall, Northwestern, MSU, and any other damn stadium built in before the 1960's....you know, when A/C became readily available.
Thanks for the clarification. Assuming this is true, it's a shame PU's statement didn't state anything close to that and instead used pretty danged vague language.
You acknowledge that Michigan was notified
"Furthermore, to help teams prepare in advance, our visiting team manual highlights in bold type 'there is no air conditioning in the (visiting) locker room,' with accompanying Purdue Athletics staff contact information about how to request preferred temporary accommodations. We did not receive any such request."
Despite only having a lowly Purdue education and not that great Michigan degree, I probably would have gotten on the phone, emailed, texted or written a letter to inquire what exactly "preferred temporary accomodations" would consist of and, if then interested, how I might access the same. Only an old simple Boiler here but damn man, that ain't so complcated that even my bumpkin ass couldn't figure it out.
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I think Harbough's complaint was that the Visitors Locker Room was horrid....and not up to the standard's as the one for Purdue's players. Which when one thinks about it...actually sounds like a great recruiting tool...." See, if you come to Purdue you get to use these beautiful locker rooms but if you go to any other B1G School you will have to use this dungeon like Visitor's Locker Room when you play us!" (TIC). Sounds like a plan to me!
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If UM doesn't have a phone buy one to ask the question about air conditioning. I am fairly certain this isn't the first time you have been to Purdue. We had the opportunit to sit close to several UM fans and tailgate with others that were great fans and enjoyed being with them. It is the ones that whine about this stuff that give the rest a bad namw.
When dealing with idiots, they bring you down to their level,
and beats with experience.
This Bo knew nothing of reading comprehension, and the bold letters mean something you test your comprehension.
Michigan dropped the ball in all aspects in this one.
Go Boilers!
this.
is.
just.
stupid.
This entire discussion.
The arrogance.
The condescension.
The stupidity.
I used to have a level of respect for UM.
Holding out hope . . . maybe it's just the Walmart Wolverines. I've known plenty of them.
Care to revisit your comment based on the information that has been released concerning the fact there is no A/C in the visitor's locker room...or do you need me to type it out for you again? Just checking since you called me an idiot and that couldn't be further from the truth, at least in this instance.
I wear the dunce hat happily based on my idiotic post confusing Mitch Daniels for mOrgan Burke....but I'm pretty spot on with what I say most of the time. I'll self-check myself if I am wrong and post an apology...but in this case, you can go F*** yourself.
I spoke with a former football manager and he said Purdue's facilities are kind of below standard...but so are most of the other ones the team visited. Especially mentioned Camp Randall and I think OSU (standing water in the shower I think). Best one he visited was Minnesota...but that was when they played in the NFL stadium and essentially got an NFL visiting locker room facility.
Actually, it's been stated most of them don't necessarily have one in the football stadium, but they have one nearby as in the case at Purdue. It's really kind of a waste to actually have one in the football stadium anyways as it's used a handful of times a year and most games people do not need an x-ray. So it's just an necessary expense to have one just for the football stadium.
And if the injury was suspected to be that serious, they would be taken by ambulance to a hospital, the x-ray is only used in non-serious injury cases to try evaluate whether a player can return or not.
There should be a league wide, minimum standard for locker rooms. Heating, AC and shower facilities among them. After the minimum is met, it is up to the visiting team to determine what they need to bring. Having hi tech imaging facilities sounds nice, but anything more than standard xrays is unnecessary. MRI machines are very expensive. An MRI usually takes a least 20 minutes. Sometimes orthopedic fixation hardware, such as plates and screws are present in athletes from previous injuries. These can at times affect the quality of the MRI. The MRI is usually done a few days after the injury, as someone previously stated. And not to be understated, there needs to be someone present who can read the images taken. Sounds simple enough, but unless you read them every day, you can miss small, subtle things.
This I can agree with. I believe that league office should set a standard and set aside funds for schools to improve their visiting locker rooms. What are some things you believe should be a minimum requirement?
1. Minimum of 70 lockers (travel limit is currently set at 70)
2. Separated area for coaches (including restrooms and showers)
3. Working shower area that can fit a minimum of 1/4 of a travel roster (roughly 18)
4. Separated training staff area with fully stocked equipment set by NATA (National Athletic Training Association)
5. Working on-site X-ray machinie
6. Working heating and A/C OR ability to have those brought in to a facility
7. Working restroom facilities (5 urinals and 3 toilets)
8. Working WIFI and other technology assistance
9. Handicap accecibility
10. Separated media relations area
I still fail to see why an x ray machine in the stadium is a necessity. We have one in Mackey that’s literally across a sidewalk and a full hospital less than two blocks away. It’s not like we have one in the home team locker room either.
I consider Mackey still being on-site since the footprint of Mackey and Ross-Ade is nearly identical.
Is there one at Mackey? I don't see it listed anywhere about the renovations. Pretty sure they had to go to PUSH from what it sounded like?
PUSH is still not an athletics-controlled facility. It's not open on the weekends. How easily is it accessed by athletics? If a soccer player has an injury on the weekend, are they going into PUSH? Or going to a hospital?
Regardless, other schools also have student health centers, but they aren't sending their athletes there. It's standard practice to have this equipment at a Big Ten level institution. I don't get why people are so offended by having what is standard equipment for much smaller athletic departments than Purdue. What's baffling to me if this is the case is that Purdue just built a brand new facility, so why wouldn't you have that be a part of it if it is standard.
There is one in Mackey. It is not manned during football games is my understanding.
There is no “standard”. I refuse to agree we need something just because another school has one. If I felt we were putting student athletes at risk, I’d feel differently. But I don’t. So the only logical reason is because other schools have one? No thanks.
Personally, it seems there is probably sufficient access to one. However, I can well imagine a recruiter saying...
"Purdue? Yeah, right.. they tell you they will take care of your son and they don't even bother to spend the little money necessary to ensure guick, complete and proper health care to their injured athletes."
BS, but still. Given recruiting and overall total athletic costs, maybe I'm not so anti.
"Purdue? Yeah, right.. they tell you they will take care of your son and they don't even bother to spend the little money necessary to ensure guick, complete and proper health care to their injured athletes."
BS, but still. Given recruiting and overall total athletic costs, maybe I'm not so anti.
When you have a local hospital 10 minutes away with both X Ray and MRI equipment I don't think it is necessary to have a X Ray on site. Norm
