Morton being Purdue's 2nd best player is sort of the problem.
He cannot be the 2nd best player on a team competing for Final Fours.
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He cannot be the 2nd best player on a team competing for Final Fours.
Gillis and Morton are nice rotation pieces, not starters, on a final four type team.
I almost always agree with you, but this one is puzzling to me. I see Smith as the second best player. He’s the only kid that can handle the ball. Without him this team would have been a disaster.
I like defense too, but just didn’t see Morton as the defensive stopper either. Seemed like one bounce and the player was already by him as he chased said player from the side. I do believe Morton helped the freshman a lot.
Yeah Smith was easily our 2nd most irreplaceable player. The offense looked totally different without him on the floor.
Are we talking Morton early season....Yea he's a stud
If we are talking Morton late season.....No he's a dud.
And that was the biggest issue late in the season. We needed scorers and he wasn't scoring.
You might want to look at who made two late threes to beat Wisconsin.
Not all true....
Morton's last 10 games he had 4 games where he had a big 0 in the scoring area and a total of 32 points with a whopping 3.2 avg over 10 games while averaging 25 minutes a game. That isn't high level an any shape or form. I'm pretty sure he's our worst offense efficiency player and it's probably not close per avg minute.
Don't forget he shot a mere 32% over those 10 games at 10-31
Seriously, you pointed out 1 game. Now, look at the rest..not good.
Guess Painter was honest with him, not much room but probably told him it’s possible he plays a lot.
Bingo, good 7/8th men on a roster, I do think Gillis adds more.
Who needs him when Painter has Ethan 'Machine Gun' Morton ready to rain in threes?
He wasn't recruited as a known scorer. Look at the guys who came in touted as great shooters. What happened to them?
LOL. "You might want to look..."? Morton was on the All-Tournament team in the west coast tourney, as long as we're cherry picking.
Wishing he would have stayed but it appears that his PT would be at a minimum next year! He went through a lot of highs and lows personally and basketball wise through his 4 years and hopefully he leaves Purdue with his degree and a 2nd chance to resurrect his game and playing time. His late season defense was a great add to the team at a time we needed it but his shooting, passing and driving skills just seemed like he was pressing all the time or as I term it, playing on eggshells. Hard to know whether that was due to self inflected pressure or from the coach, but a coach has to remove the player from from the floor once that starts to happen in a game. Had a few players like that throughout my career and they never seemed to play out of it whether they stayed or transferred to another HS!
Yes, I do agree with him coming in as a facilitator and defender. He needed to have the ability to at least score when needed. This is where Morton, Newman and Jenkins didn't produce.
Yeah, that was a strange take he had. If you put up a poll asking the 2nd best player on the team, I'm thinking there would be 1 vote for Morton.
And it wouldn't be Painter, The guy lost his starting position, Second best guy on the team usually starts.
You may want to stick to hyping 16 year old kids nobody has seen play. We've all seen Morton play so ......
Morton should play when we clear the bench imo.
However, CMP must have encouraged Newman to leave, as CMP flat loves himself some Morton and wanted minutes for him.....but with Colvin & Heide coming in, Morton should get no minutes.
Thus, CMP will likely start him again. 😎
The numbers back me up. Morton was 2nd in BLK's, 2nd in assist, 2nd in Steals and had the fewest turnovers in minutes played. Not sure what he has done or didn't do to turn some against him. IMO he played the role of team player like it or not you cannot win unless someone assumes that role. Anyone who expects Myles Colvin to assume this role is clueless as to what his game is. Heide is a solid player but will be just a freshman I wouldn't expect him to be a team leader. Oh and good luck getting a transfer to come in and accept this role. So if not Morton who? I am old enough to know I don't know everything but who does? I like Morton's game and want him to fill the same role next year. Unless someone changes Painter mind (doubtful) I expect he will start at the 3. People too often assume a player like Myles will come in and replace a senior seriously who does that? Not Painter. I am not shocked people disagree with me but when it is respectable posters. Who are calling for a freshman over a senior come on now. Just my humble opinion nothing more.
Agree with all this. Newman was the best shot at Norton losing playing time, and now Newman is gone. Morton is going to see plenty of run.
Interestingly, as others have said, Morton's efficiency-adjusted numbers really declined during conference play, where Newman led the steam in steals (Morton was 4th), Morton was 4th in blocks (Newman was 6th), and Morton was 4th in assists (technically 6th, but I excluded Waddell and Barrett; Newman was 7th).
His turnovers were steady both in non-con and con play, though. But Newman's weren't bad, either.
They both rebounded about the same in conference play, too.
At least statistically speaking on defense, I don't think Morton and Newman were all that far off.
Interestingly, they were both pretty abysmal on offense - Morton's FG % and 3PT % were only better than one person's (excluding Martin/Waddell/King): Newman. But Morton was really atrocious at the free throw line so I would count them as a wash offensively.
Morton can play a valuable role, but 25+ minutes is far too many for him, in my opinion.
Purdue cannot afford to run him out there for more than half the game and expect to go far in the tournament.
Your minutes seem about right. Somehow some way Myles is going to play and play a lot IMO. Heide in AAU was a Brian Cardinal type of hustle player really Intense and those type of players succeed they just do.
I understand people liking Morton. Early on he was exciting creating scoring.
Late he was a gaping hole on both sides that occasionally had good offensive numbers, but most times because he could not score his presence put a lot of unneeded pressure on other players. On D late he got beat alot .. even CMP who is his biggest backer saw that and let Newman play more.
Let's hope he reverts to his early season form. I really do, as that was awesome...game changer. As his late season form is the kind that sends a team home early in March.
Late he was a gaping hole on both sides that occasionally had good offensive numbers, but most times because he could not score his presence put a lot of unneeded pressure on other players. On D late he got beat alot .. even CMP who is his biggest backer saw that and let Newman play more.
Let's hope he reverts to his early season form. I really do, as that was awesome...game changer. As his late season form is the kind that sends a team home early in March.
I'm sitting here are reading and don't understand some comments. Brandon wasn't ready his freshman year. I could see that in 5 minutes preseason scrimmage. Laid the ball out in front of him several times and the D got a hand on it. He wasn't going to play until that was fixed and so Matt gave him a choice and obviously Brandon decided to shirt. Now, he has two years to play if he desires instead of one at another location. I'm guessing that many prefer two year players over one, but I don't know that for a fact. So Matt offered and Brandon took it and it seems to me Brandon is better for it. I'm happy for Brandon...are we suppose to wish he only had one year at another location? What am I missing?
It keeps with the narrative of Painter making mistakes. Doesn't matter that it was best for Brandon. It only matters that some think it turned out poorly, so Painter is a bad coach. That's a really dumb take!
I don't think Matt would do that. Brandon knows why he had limited minute and what was necessary for him to get an expanded role. Right or wrong what those expectations were I'm sure Brandon was aware and that he and Matt shared an understanding "even if maybe not sharing an agreement on particular items". Brandon probably didn't see successfully meeting those and thought it was best to move on. All the players say Matt is honest and upfront and I expect being honest and upfront Brandon made a decision. I wish he stayed, but think he tried it this year since Jaden was gone and he couldn't capture that freshman season again...I hope he finds a high level of success as I'm sure ALL the coaches at Purdue wish as well.
Matt is in it for the players as are a lot of coaches. I keep my mouth shut (even though I post a lot
) on many things because this is a forum with different opinions. Some are fair and some are a bit out there. I can see merit on posts that maybe rank something different than I do. There are a LOT of different opinions on personnel, on Matt, on PUrdue and so forth, but if an undecided person read all those posts not knowing they were different posters he or she would think the poster is schizoprenic and so NOT ALL the posts can be correct and could you imagine a coach trying to implement the many suggestions that are at odds with each other.
Matt is on record in the last two years saying Brandon is too hard on himself. He wants to be perfect and wants it now was his follow-up comments.
RE: Morton
I like the kid. The knock on him though is he is offensively challenged. Other than shooting threes, he tends to just dribble around and is absolutely no threat to shoot, let alone score once he's inside the arc.
The lack of offensive punch from the small forward position was a major weakness all season sans the first month and a half.
I like the kid. The knock on him though is he is offensively challenged. Other than shooting threes, he tends to just dribble around and is absolutely no threat to shoot, let alone score once he's inside the arc.
The lack of offensive punch from the small forward position was a major weakness all season sans the first month and a half.
If we’re going to play thru Edey, the other 4 guys on the court need to be able to consistently knock down open threes.
My opinion is that it I would rather spend a scholarship on a plug and play portal guy than a HS player who isn’t ready to contribute, when the odds are heavily against the redshirt staying 5 years.
If you have already got the kid on campus, and they can’t help you, then you might as well redshirt him.
If the kid is on campus that can’t help, coach should encourage him to leave or never recruited him in the first place.
Brandon Newman has up to two years of eligibility left, which includes the optional COVID-19 year. If he in fact leaves the Purdue program, I wish him the best in his future endeavors on and off the court. An example of perseverance and a reminder that we can all face various levels of adversity. He has been through a lot, including losing his father - but has represented himself and the University very well.
I don't believe for a second that Matt recruited him thinking he would shirt. If you can recall Franklin and he were both at Purdue on the same weekend with both having offers. Franklin committed to IU days later to the surprise of his friend Isiah Thomspon. The general concensus at the time was that Brandon was the better of the two and Franklin said since they both played the same spot that was a factor in going to IU. Hindsight is that FRanklin has played more minutes than Brandon and more individually successful and Brandon played fewer minutes but on the #1 team for a few months and has a Big ring for the rest of his life and so It appears to me that Matt as did most thought Brandon would do very well at Purdue and some things you just may not see in scouting some high school games.
The portal then and now are quite different
Yeah, he's a good kid and a good role player who has gone through a lot of adversity. If we shoot better against FDU and make a run in the NCAAs, he'd be remembered differently by some people.
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