My word folks....it was a T E A M loss.

[TwinDegrees2]

I understand the frustration of losing....but each and every person that played in Black and Gold last night had a part in losing that ball game. That's simply the way it works. Individually blaming Edwards, or Swanigan, or Haas, or Painter for that fact is wrong.

Bad shots, missed rebounds, lost balls, blocked shots, bad shots, fouls, missed assignments....they all are a part of the sum. Coming down and taking a three when a two in the paint would have worked just as well and would have been a higher percentage.

They ALL got out played in the second half...each and every one of them. The staff evidently didn't scout Iowa well enough, the players didn't execute well enough if they did, and yes...CMP can take a part of the loss as well.

Every friggin' time Purdue loses, here come the blamer's. Wanting to show how smart they are by blaming someone instead of everyone and pointing out this or that, that they believe cost PU the game.

It's a frigging T E A M sport....you win as one, you lose as one.

After every game, and even more so after every loss. So here's the cold, hard, truth.....if you knew half as much as you think you know, you'd be making millions doing what Painter is doing. Just half.

I detest Iowa...DETEST THEM....and believe Fran to be a worse coach than Two Tone Tommy....but last night, his team won. It's a bad taste anytime Iowa wins, or IU wins.....and it's a bad taste when PU loses. But it is going to HAPPEN. Sorry to tell you, but this team has a very narrow path to advance to the Elite 8 or beyond, and they all have to be in sync and play almost perfectly.

So I ask for the T E A M and all those on it..... just once....the next time PU loses....and they will lose again....silence your pie holes and quit proving just how little you do know or go get that next high profile D1 coaching job.

 

[Feace]

I agree with most of wha you said above. I even place blame on Basisil, Luce and even that tall Haarms dude that just joined the team. They should have practiced better.
The one thing that I disagree with you on is that I don't think that Queen is a better coach than Fran. They are equally huge douche bags but Queen is not better than anyone.
For the record, I heard that when Queen was recruiting Luce he told him that he reminded him of Spud Webb.

 

[Dryfly88]

I understand the frustration of losing....but each and every person that played in Black and Gold last night had a part in losing that ball game. That's simply the way it works. Individually blaming Edwards, or Swanigan, or Haas, or Painter for that fact is wrong.

Bad shots, missed rebounds, lost balls, blocked shots, bad shots, fouls, missed assignments....they all are a part of the sum. Coming down and taking a three when a two in the paint would have worked just as well and would have been a higher percentage.

They ALL got out played in the second half...each and every one of them. The staff evidently didn't scout Iowa well enough, the players didn't execute well enough if they did, and yes...CMP can take a part of the loss as well.

Every friggin' time Purdue loses, here come the blamer's. Wanting to show how smart they are by blaming someone instead of everyone and pointing out this or that, that they believe cost PU the game.

It's a frigging T E A M sport....you win as one, you lose as one.

After every game, and even more so after every loss. So here's the cold, hard, truth.....if you knew half as much as you think you know, you'd be making millions doing what Painter is doing. Just half.

I detest Iowa...DETEST THEM....and believe Fran to be a worse coach than Two Tone Tommy....but last night, his team won. It's a bad taste anytime Iowa wins, or IU wins.....and it's a bad taste when PU loses. But it is going to HAPPEN. Sorry to tell you, but this team has a very narrow path to advance to the Elite 8 or beyond, and they all have to be in sync and play almost perfectly.

So I ask for the T E A M and all those on it..... just once....the next time PU loses....and they will lose again....silence your pie holes and quit proving just how little you do know or go get that next high profile D1 coaching job.

No problem with anything you say except: Can we please, please, please stop with the if you're not a D1 coach you can't have an opinion crap? You're not one either, so why should you have the right to post your opinion? See what I mean? It's a college b-ball message board, it's ok to have different thoughts and opinions. There is no requirement to be a coach to post here, if there was it would be crickets.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

No problem with anything you say except: Can we please, please, please stop with the if you're not a D1 coach you can't have an opinion crap? You're not one either, so why should you have the right to post your opinion? See what I mean? It's a college b-ball message board, it's ok to have different thoughts and opinions. There is no requirement to be a coach to post here, if there was it would be crickets.

No one said anything about "if you're not a D1 coach". All I'm saying is........

 

[threeeputtt]

I understand the frustration of losing....but each and every person that played in Black and Gold last night had a part in losing that ball game. That's simply the way it works. Individually blaming Edwards, or Swanigan, or Haas, or Painter for that fact is wrong.

Bad shots, missed rebounds, lost balls, blocked shots, bad shots, fouls, missed assignments....they all are a part of the sum. Coming down and taking a three when a two in the paint would have worked just as well and would have been a higher percentage.

They ALL got out played in the second half...each and every one of them. The staff evidently didn't scout Iowa well enough, the players didn't execute well enough if they did, and yes...CMP can take a part of the loss as well.

Every friggin' time Purdue loses, here come the blamer's. Wanting to show how smart they are by blaming someone instead of everyone and pointing out this or that, that they believe cost PU the game.

It's a frigging T E A M sport....you win as one, you lose as one.

After every game, and even more so after every loss. So here's the cold, hard, truth.....if you knew half as much as you think you know, you'd be making millions doing what Painter is doing. Just half.

I detest Iowa...DETEST THEM....and believe Fran to be a worse coach than Two Tone Tommy....but last night, his team won. It's a bad taste anytime Iowa wins, or IU wins.....and it's a bad taste when PU loses. But it is going to HAPPEN. Sorry to tell you, but this team has a very narrow path to advance to the Elite 8 or beyond, and they all have to be in sync and play almost perfectly.

So I ask for the T E A M and all those on it..... just once....the next time PU loses....and they will lose again....silence your pie holes and quit proving just how little you do know or go get that next high profile D1 coaching job.

Pretty well said. AND, we will lose another game just like this before the BTT. THAT is part of the game. Add the fact there will probably be no team without at least 2 losses more like 3 in the whole nation by NCAA time. Heck, the best NBA teams will lose 10+ games this year.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Pretty well said. AND, we will lose another game just like this before the BTT. THAT is part of the game. Add the fact there will probably be no team without at least 2 losses more like 3 in the whole nation by NCAA time. Heck, the best NBA teams will lose 10+ games this year.

I still think the BIG winner will have at least five losses, if not six.

 

[PUBV]

I understand the frustration of losing....but each and every person that played in Black and Gold last night had a part in losing that ball game. That's simply the way it works. Individually blaming Edwards, or Swanigan, or Haas, or Painter for that fact is wrong.

Bad shots, missed rebounds, lost balls, blocked shots, bad shots, fouls, missed assignments....they all are a part of the sum. Coming down and taking a three when a two in the paint would have worked just as well and would have been a higher percentage.

They ALL got out played in the second half...each and every one of them. The staff evidently didn't scout Iowa well enough, the players didn't execute well enough if they did, and yes...CMP can take a part of the loss as well.

Every friggin' time Purdue loses, here come the blamer's. Wanting to show how smart they are by blaming someone instead of everyone and pointing out this or that, that they believe cost PU the game.

It's a frigging T E A M sport....you win as one, you lose as one.

After every game, and even more so after every loss. So here's the cold, hard, truth.....if you knew half as much as you think you know, you'd be making millions doing what Painter is doing. Just half.

I detest Iowa...DETEST THEM....and believe Fran to be a worse coach than Two Tone Tommy....but last night, his team won. It's a bad taste anytime Iowa wins, or IU wins.....and it's a bad taste when PU loses. But it is going to HAPPEN. Sorry to tell you, but this team has a very narrow path to advance to the Elite 8 or beyond, and they all have to be in sync and play almost perfectly.

So I ask for the T E A M and all those on it..... just once....the next time PU loses....and they will lose again....silence your pie holes and quit proving just how little you do know or go get that next high profile D1 coaching job.

This is awsome!! I don't know if your high, drunk, or eatin shrooms but that was a helluva rant! I'm a tipsy critter right now, and I do know that if we all ate more wheat germ we'd be shittin out more loaves of bread! Please find it in your heart of hearts to weed thru the chafe and let the bball discussion happen. Win or lose, let us discuss the game. Pro or con, for this or against that, I like coach or not, player X or not, why can't we discuss? Isn't that the reason for a god damn message board? Shut er down gents, ole twin degrees just strapped on his big boy drawers and decided basketball is a team sport. STOP IT!!! Read & respond to what you want, ignore the BS you don't. Having an opinion is just that, we've all got them. You think coach, or Biggee, or either Edwards, or Haas, gives a rats ass about what's said here? Hell freakin no!! Don't lecture me about what I do or don't know. You don't know me. Please just let us discuss, express, and enjoy

 

[Feace]

This is awsome!! I don't know if your high, drunk, or eatin shrooms but that was a helluva rant! I'm a tipsy critter right now, and I do know that if we all ate more wheat germ we'd be shittin out more loaves of bread! Please find it in your heart of hearts to weed thru the chafe and let the bball discussion happen. Win or lose, let us discuss the game. Pro or con, for this or against that, I like coach or not, player X or not, why can't we discuss? Isn't that the reason for a god damn message board? Shut er down gents, ole twin degrees just strapped on his big boy drawers and decided basketball is a team sport. STOP IT!!! Read & respond to what you want, ignore the BS you don't. Having an opinion is just that, we've all got them. You think coach, or Biggee, or either Edwards, or Haas, gives a rats ass about what's said here? Hell freakin no!! Don't lecture me about what I do or don't know. You don't know me. Please just let us discuss, express, and enjoy

Queen would approve...

 

[Dryfly88]

No one said anything about "if you're not a D1 coach". All I'm saying is........

Might want to reread your post.......Specifically the last sentence.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I still think the BIG winner will have at least five losses, if not six.

That would be a first, wouldn't it?

I think five has happened a couple of times since the BTT era began, IIRC. It certainly looks like it could be set up for a log-jam going into the last couple of weeks. Of course, there is always the possibility of a team getting on a roll and separating.

 

[Feace]

That would be a first, wouldn't it?

I think five has happened a couple of times since the BTT era began, IIRC. It certainly looks like it could be set up for a log-jam going into the last couple of weeks. Of course, there is always the possibility of a team getting on a roll and separating.

I just hope that somehow Queen doesn't sneak in there

 

[TwinDegrees2]

This is awsome!! I don't know if your high, drunk, or eatin shrooms but that was a helluva rant! I'm a tipsy critter right now, and I do know that if we all ate more wheat germ we'd be shittin out more loaves of bread! Please find it in your heart of hearts to weed thru the chafe and let the bball discussion happen. Win or lose, let us discuss the game. Pro or con, for this or against that, I like coach or not, player X or not, why can't we discuss? Isn't that the reason for a god damn message board? Shut er down gents, ole twin degrees just strapped on his big boy drawers and decided basketball is a team sport. STOP IT!!! Read & respond to what you want, ignore the BS you don't. Having an opinion is just that, we've all got them. You think coach, or Biggee, or either Edwards, or Haas, gives a rats ass about what's said here? Hell freakin no!! Don't lecture me about what I do or don't know. You don't know me. Please just let us discuss, express, and enjoy

Wow....poor little fellow. Have mom give you some warm milk instead of that spiced rum.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Might want to reread your post.......Specifically the last sentence.

Simply pointed out if you are that good...better than CMP....go get the next D1 job.

 

[heytherehoodoo]

I still think the BIG winner will have at least five losses, if not six.

Stop regurgitating what you hear from Tom Dienhart(?) when he is interviewed on 1260 here in Indy. I hear the same interviews. Please show me where you said before the season started that the Big Ten winner would have 5-6 losses. Or, did you start saying that after you heard Dienhart say it in the last couple of weeks? Nonsense.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Stop regurgitating what you hear from Tom Dienhart(?) when he is interviewed on 1260 here in Indy. I hear the same interviews. Please show me where you said before the season started that the Big Ten winner would have 5-6 losses. Or, did you start saying that after you heard Dienhart say it in the last couple of weeks? Nonsense.

Okay, here's a lesson for you...please listen carefully. I have no clue who Tom Dienhart is, seldom if ever listen to 1260 or any other radio sports stations, but do watch a ton of College basketball. I don't regurgitate anything from anyone and yes, I've said since pre-season that with an improved and more even Big 10 (Minny, NW, Illini, etc., that the winner of the league might have as many as six losses. Now go make assumptions about someone else.

 

[Feace]

Pretty sure that heytheredoodoohead is actually Queen trolling on our board. If it's not Queen then it's definitely a queen...

 

[Dryfly88]

Simply pointed out if you are that good...better than CMP....go get the next D1 job.

You seem to have a lot of opinions. Are you currently applying for any D1 coaching jobs? Didn't think so. Why should anyone else be held to that standard? That's all I'm saying and have said to several others. Don't try to put qualifications like being a coach on other posters unless you want that same standard applied to you.

There aren't any D1 coaches on here or anyone that is going to be one soon. That goes for CMP supporters or non-supporters.

 

[threeeputtt]

I still think the BIG winner will have at least five losses, if not six.

Posting is not my strength. I was actually saying there probably won't be any team with less than 2 losses in the nation-more likely the top teams will have 3 by the time their c tournaments

You seem to have a lot of opinions. Are you currently applying for any D1 coaching jobs? Didn't think so. Why should anyone else be held to that standard? That's all I'm saying and have said to several others. Don't try to put qualifications like being a coach on other posters unless you want that same standard applied to you.

There aren't any D1 coaches on here or anyone that is going to be one soon. That goes for CMP supporters or non-supporters.

I know a lot of competent AND incompetent people in many professions. Coaching, sporting goods, financial services, manufacturing, retail, on and on.............

 

[mathboy]

You seem to have a lot of opinions. Are you currently applying for any D1 coaching jobs? Didn't think so. Why should anyone else be held to that standard? That's all I'm saying and have said to several others. Don't try to put qualifications like being a coach on other posters unless you want that same standard applied to you.

There aren't any D1 coaches on here or anyone that is going to be one soon. That goes for CMP supporters or non-supporters.

TD2 is okay. I get what he is saying. I get tied of reading amateur coaches decide that this player or that player is to blame for losing a 2-pt game. It is just so much nonsense to call out one player as the reason in most cases. You don't need to be a D1coach, just stay at a Holiday In - that is qualification enough.

 

[Dryfly88]

TD2 is okay. I get what he is saying. I get tied of reading amateur coaches decide that this player or that player is to blame for losing a 2-pt game. It is just so much nonsense to call out one player as the reason in most cases. You don't need to be a D1coach, just stay at a Holiday In - that is qualification enough.

I'm sure he is ok too. I have no problems with him having opinions or thoughts. I just object to putting some artificial standards on posters with opposing views. Especially when those putting the standards out there aren't any more "qualified" by those same standards.

I could argue that I get tired of some defending everything our coach and players do. But I'm sure as hell not going to say they can't have that opinion unless they are ______ fill in the blank. Everyone here has a right to their opinion and are free to express it.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

You seem to have a lot of opinions. Are you currently applying for any D1 coaching jobs? Didn't think so. Why should anyone else be held to that standard? That's all I'm saying and have said to several others. Don't try to put qualifications like being a coach on other posters unless you want that same standard applied to you.

There aren't any D1 coaches on here or anyone that is going to be one soon. That goes for CMP supporters or non-supporters.

You don't know who has coached what on here. I get tired of posters who constantly blame players and coaches for the loss when it's a team game.

Matt Painter could leave PU tomorrow and be coaching another D1 major next year. He's highly regarded as one of the best coaches in the collegiate game, and that is a fact. Is he perfect...nope. But you're not going to get anyone better to come to West Lafayette. As for the players...are they perfect...nope. But they're a pretty damned good unit. Look at what happened today with Iowa losing, MSU losing, OSU winning, Northwestern winning.....it's what happens in games.

 

[Dryfly88]

You don't know who has coached what on here. I get tired of posters who constantly blame players and coaches for the loss when it's a team game.

I get tired of a lot of things on here, but that doesn't mean those people don't have every right to post their opinions. I don't get to put qualifications on them and neither do you.

I don't care "who has coached what" on here. I'm sure there are a few that have coached AAU, HS......but there are no D1 coaches on here and you know it too. D1 coaches are pretty busy this time of year, they sure don't have time for the free PU message board! That's why it's up to us mortals to keep it going.

 

[PUBV]

You don't know who has coached what on here. I get tired of posters who constantly blame players and coaches for the loss when it's a team game.

Matt Painter could leave PU tomorrow and be coaching another D1 major next year. He's highly regarded as one of the best coaches in the collegiate game, and that is a fact. Is he perfect...nope. But you're not going to get anyone better to come to West Lafayette. As for the players...are they perfect...nope. But they're a pretty damned good unit. Look at what happened today with Iowa losing, MSU losing, OSU winning, Northwestern winning.....it's what happens in games.

There are roughly what, 350 D1 coaches out there. Unless you've polled say at least 1/2 of them, I don't think you can state that it's a fact that coach is highly regarded as one of the best in the business. Unless you've polled and researched all possible replacements, I don't think you can state that he couldn't be replaced with a better coach, unless you of course are a succesful D1 coach yourself and are making these statements due to being so well connected. And Iowa losing by 35 today makes our loss a little tougher to swallow

 

[BoilerAndy]

There are roughly what, 350 D1 coaches out there. Unless you've polled say at least 1/2 of them, I don't think you can state that it's a fact that coach is highly regarded as one of the best in the business. Unless you've polled and researched all possible replacements, I don't think you can state that he couldn't be replaced with a better coach, unless you of course are a succesful D1 coach yourself and are making these statements due to being so well connected. And Iowa losing by 35 today makes our loss a little tougher to swallow

3X B1G COTY is a good indication of how his peers feel about his coaching.

But yes, it will take some serious winning from here on out to feel better about that loss to Iowa.

 

[PUBV]

3X B1G COTY is a good indication of how his peers feel about his coaching.

But yes, it will take some serious winning from here on out to feel better about that loss to Iowa.

I like coach and hope he is successful, Purdue is my team. I am not taking away his BIG COY honors, he deserves props for those. But just playing devils advocate here, tom crean was BIG COY last year and we roast him on a daily basis. Plus, I think they announce COY before the NCAA tourney, maybe even the BIG tourney. And, there are probably roughly 30 Div 1 bball conferences out there each naming a COY on a yearly basis. I do acknowledge what you are saying, I'm just not sure I agree with the blanket statement that we could do no better.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

. And Iowa losing by 35 today makes our loss a little tougher to swallow

So will you feel better if Northwestern beat Purdue by 33

 

[PUBV]

So will you feel better if Northwestern beat Purdue by 33

No, of course not. Look, I like Painter and I wish he would succeed. He walked into a crappy situation, turned it around and enjoyed, what 4 good years and for Purdue standards success in the NCAAs. But his last 6 yrs have been decent in conference but by most measures a failure in the NCAA, unless you consider just getting there successful.
I'm a Keady guy, arrived at PU when he did. But I'm seeing some eerie similarities in their NCAA tourney approach & results. Is wanting to make a Final Four to much to ask for?

 

[big10best]

its a shame. We lose so many games that we should win. Good teams win the games they should.

 

[BuilderBob6]

. Good teams win the games they should.

No...........they don't. Sounds great and all but the reality is even good teams lose games they should win. Even GREAT teams lose games they should win.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

No...........they don't. Sounds great and all but the reality is even good teams lose games they should win. Even GREAT teams lose games they should win.

Come on Builder, we all know IU was supposed to lose to IPFW. Iowa was supposed to lose to Northwestern, and Purdue was supposed to lose to Iowa. Seriously thanks for your well reasoned post containing reality. Good teams lose, bad teams win. I've never known a coach who hasn't lost a game they should have won yet Matt Painter and his teams should never have that occur in the minds of some.

Even the great Wooden UCLA teams lost to ND. Bob Knight, Dean Smith, Coach K, and Keady all lost games they should have won and there was nothing they could do about it.

 

[tjreese]

TD2 is okay. I get what he is saying. I get tied of reading amateur coaches decide that this player or that player is to blame for losing a 2-pt game. It is just so much nonsense to call out one player as the reason in most cases. You don't need to be a D1coach, just stay at a Holiday In - that is qualification enough.

It is hard for me. I want discussion and open to views from people that are fans with maybe not quite the understanding you would prefer. Sometimes, it is possible that they can offer a different view that should be considered. However, it is very noticeable that some have much greater understanding than others as well..at least to those that have a little more extensive background into the game. Sometimes the reasoning for certain things is missing. Anyway, I understand both sides but also know all opinions are not the same...

 

[Dryfly88]

It is hard for me. I want discussion and open to views from people that are fans with maybe not quite the understanding you would prefer. Sometimes, it is possible that they can offer a different view that should be considered. However, it is very noticeable that some have much greater understanding than others as well..at least to those that have a little more extensive background into the game. Sometimes the reasoning for certain things is missing. Anyway, I understand both sides but also know all opinions are not the same...

That's probably the nicest way I have ever seen anyone say they know more than somebody else. Pompous, but polite. I'm sure it will slip by many though because they aren't quite smart enough to get it. We'll just keep it between us.

 

[tjreese]

That's probably the nicest way I have ever seen anyone say they know more than somebody else. Pompous, but polite. I'm sure it will slip by many though because they aren't quite smart enough to get it. We'll just keep it between us.

you do understand that in EVERY instance some do in fact know more than others on some things. That doesn't suggest that some know it all just that there are different degrees of understanding. You seem very sensitive to this and I don't know why. Do you really think that all know the same as everyone else on all things? That seems rather absurd. There are many things I don't know...many. I'll let my comments on basketball stand as is. People that like them...fine. People that don't...fine. If people think my opinions don't matter that too is fine. I just don't get why you are so sensitive in this area...

 

[BuilderBob6]

That's probably the nicest way I have ever seen anyone say they know more than somebody else. Pompous, but polite. I'm sure it will slip by many though because they aren't quite smart enough to get it. We'll just keep it between us.

Imo the post wasn't pompous at all. You said how nice it was but.........
It seems there is no way to say it without upsetting you.
Tj knows a ton about the game and is always respectful in the way he posts, much more than I am. It's very hard to do.

 

[Dryfly88]

Imo the post wasn't pompous at all. You said how nice it was but.........
It seems there is no way to say it without upsetting you.
Tj knows a ton about the game and is always respectful in the way he posts, much more than I am. It's very hard to do.

Not upset, just willing to call people out when they suggest they "know" more than others. I'm sure you and TJ know a lot about the sport, but it doesn't mean you know more than others that disagree. You may, but you may not. All I'm saying is that there is no benefit to suggesting you do. It doesn't strengthen your position it actually makes you look like your grasping for a reason you are right rather than just sticking to the merits of your argument.

 

[delish1]

I still think the BIG winner will have at least five losses, if not six.

I don't think this will be true.I think Wisconsin ends up with 4 losses. Schedule looks kind to a very consistent team.

Purdue is going to have to avoid any more bad losses to tie. Not that winning the B1G regular season title is the only goal. It would be nice though

 

[Dryfly88]

you do understand that in EVERY instance some do in fact know more than others on some things. That doesn't suggest that some know it all just that there are different degrees of understanding. You seem very sensitive to this and I don't know why. Do you really think that all know the same as everyone else on all things? That seems rather absurd. There are many things I don't know...many. I'll let my comments on basketball stand as is. People that like them...fine. People that don't...fine. If people think my opinions don't matter that too is fine. I just don't get why you are so sensitive in this area...

I think you're confusing sensitive with pointing something out. As I already said to BB6, I'm sure you know a lot about the game. I'm simply trying to point out to you that suggesting you know more than others doesn't really help or strengthen your position. It's a message board, people don't know each other or their backgrounds on here. It's not like we're writing to the PU athletic Dept and getting answers back from CMP himself.

I have zero problem with anyone disagreeing with me or anyone else. I don't really have any problem with the obvious troll posts because I just ignore them and move on to the next thread. What I take issue with is when regular posters (non-trolls) give their position and then suggest that others with differing views "don't know basketball" or if they know so much they should apply for a D1 coaching gig (like in this thread). Don't you see that the same could be said about everyone with an opinion? Why not just argue/discuss the topic without suggesting the other side doesn't have the proper knowledge or credentials? At the end of the day it doesn't matter anyway, I just think it makes for a better discussion and overall quality of the board. JMO

 

[tjreese]

Not upset, just willing to call people out when they suggest they "know" more than others. I'm sure you and TJ know a lot about the sport, but it doesn't mean you know more than others that disagree. You may, but you may not. All I'm saying is that there is no benefit to suggesting you do. It doesn't strengthen your position it actually makes you look like your grasping for a reason you are right rather than just sticking to the merits of your argument.

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I grew up at a time before the self-esteem movement and push towards extending the child-centered school into upper grades. I have a lot of issues with the affective cognitative approach over the long haul. There are many things those comments lead towards. I cannot recall a single instance that I have ever denigrated or tried to diminish your understandings of the game dryfly88. I have offered why I hold the thoughts that I do and offered for "anyone" to dissect those rather than blanket comments, but it doesn’t happen.

You may find me absent on the football forum? Played, started on a team that that lost one game in two years and was one of the main players. Quite frankly was a small school and realistically not worth a damn and do not know the game. I like football, but know my opinion is not an informed one. I’m sure that all the posters have a higher combined average of basketball and football than me. I like football and the last time I had good seats was when Willie Tillman got them for me. Willie was a good basketball player before deciding on football. His high school coach in Melbourne, Florida actually played for a neighbor growing up that played for Jacksonville in the early 70s and later coached Central Florida. In real life for a couple of decades I have went to many companies to trouble-shoot things. In all instances I know and not bothered by the fact that in all cases they have forgot more about their company than I will ever know and go there with that understanding and assure them of such. Still, I know that fresh eyes may encounter something missed and that is how I approach it. It is also the view I try to read from others that was considered "pompous" ... If I have insulted anyone with my comments, I apologize as that was never my intent. By the same token, there are some things that it is obvious that others don’t understand. I cannot think of ANY regular poster that I don’t read with an open mind and many times find agreement with or things that I need to reflect on. None of that means I’m right or wrong, but I can support my thoughts whether right or wrong. Personally, I think the people on this forum are generally knowledgeable and reasonable in their understandings of not only the game, but the team as well.

No matter what though…there are some posters that are more consistent with thoughts I agree with…and again…I may be wrong to agree with them. My thoughts will have a basis and not just pulled from air. Perhaps I’m just not as sensitive as some may wish? If so, please take it as me being one missing tact as opposed to attempting to call someone out and attempt to humiliate them. I seek no validation, nor desire to put anyone down and know the Internet leads to lots of false associations. I hope others understand my perspective and that you too will someday take a different understanding of which I write///edited following....I too wish for "basketball" conversations...

 

[Dryfly88]

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I grew up at a time before the self-esteem movement and push towards extending the child-centered school into upper grades. I have a lot of issues with the affective cognitative approach over the long haul. There are many things those comments lead towards. I cannot recall a single instance that I have ever denigrated or tried to diminish your understandings of the game dryfly88. I have offered why I hold the thoughts that I do and offered for "anyone" to dissect those rather than blanket comments, but it doesn’t happen.

You may find me absent on the football forum? Played, started on a team that that lost one game in two years and was one of the main players. Quite frankly was a small school and realistically not worth a damn and do not know the game. I like football, but know my opinion is not an informed one. I’m sure that all the posters have a higher combined average of basketball and football than me. I like football and the last time I had good seats was when Willie Tillman got them for me. Willie was a good basketball player before deciding on football. His high school coach in Melbourne, Florida actually played for a neighbor growing up that played for Jacksonville in the early 70s and later coached Central Florida. In real life for a couple of decades I have went to many companies to trouble-shoot things. In all instances I know and not bothered by the fact that in all cases they have forgot more about their company than I will ever know and go there with that understanding and assure them of such. Still, I know that fresh eyes may encounter something missed and that is how I approach it. It is also the view I try to read from others that was considered "pompous" ... If I have insulted anyone with my comments, I apologize as that was never my intent. By the same token, there are some things that it is obvious that others don’t understand. I cannot think of ANY regular poster that I don’t read with an open mind and many times find agreement with or things that I need to reflect on. None of that means I’m right or wrong, but I can support my thoughts whether right or wrong. Personally, I think the people on this forum are generally knowledgeable and reasonable in their understandings of not only the game, but the team as well.

No matter what though…there are some posters that are more consistent with thoughts I agree with…and again…I may be wrong to agree with them. My thoughts will have a basis and not just pulled from air. Perhaps I’m just not as sensitive as some may wish? If so, please take it as me being one missing tact as opposed to attempting to call someone out and attempt to humiliate them. I seek no validation, nor desire to put anyone down and know the Internet leads to lots of false associations. I hope others understand my perspective and that you too will someday take a different understanding of which I write///edited following....I too wish for "basketball" conversations...

I think you were typing while I posted above. We're good, I'm done.

P.S. Class of 88 so I too grew up before the self-esteem movement!!

 

[tjreese]

I think you were typing while I posted above. We're good, I'm done.

P.S. Class of 88 so I too grew up before the self-esteem movement!!

I'm fine as well. You may be immune to the movement, but many would suggest it was in the early 80s out east before moving west. I have no problems with anything you said but do not agree to what I interpret into what I preceive your thoughts relative to me are on listening to others...because I try to read all in subjects that interest me. Let's hope for a win in a bit so most will be happy.