This year looks like a year when our new Coach will encourage some guys to leave if they don't do so on their own. This is just my opinion. It won't surprise me if enough leave to give us 25 signees. Jeff Brohm needs to drain the Boilermaker swamp.
More players will leave
- Thread starter boiler800
- Start date
Actually, he better step up his recruiting a bit before he cuts players. WKU transfer recruits may have trouble playing against B10 talent.
That's the reason he's supplementing with juco players. Purdue will add several more juco players to this class.
Honest question, would PU with their current talent beat Brohm's WKU team with their non-Big10 talent? If the answer is no, then getting Brohm with current Brohm recruits is a step up from where we are today. Hopefully in the next 2-3 years we get to see what he can do with better more Big10 level talent.
Lol. We already have trouble playing against B10 talent. Are those players leaving B10 talent? Purdue couldn't have finished 3rd in the CUSA, much less win it. I'll take WKU talent right now, because it's better than what we have.
I suspect the initial separation is between players who are real football guys and have that desire to compete and drive this program forward and those that are just here for the free ride. Hazell seemed to accumulate quite a few of the latter. Can't blame them, that is just part of the culture when your program is so far down. My guess is regardless of star ranking, these guys that committed to Brohm at WKU are real football guys.
At some point in time, Brohm needs to improve on the talent he is bringing to Purdue. Rather than just filling holes of players that left, and being better than the players Hazell recruited, Brohm has to find and sign players who are better than our opponents recruited. It does us no good if we improve our team, but teams like IU, Iowa, U of I, Minn, Nebraska, Northwestern, and UW are still recruiting better players. It's nice to see our national ranking improve, but we will not gain any ground on our BIG 10 counterparts if we remain the 12th-14th best recruiting class in the BIG 10. We desperately needed Higgins and Hightower to fill in the holes, but I like the De Illinois and Michigan and defensive players IU signed even better. With a new coach, we need to set the bar higher.
New coach needs more than 30 days to evaluate his recruiting. Next class or two will tell us a lot more than the stop gaps he is getting now
I actually believe the first 30 days tells a lot more about a coach's ability than the his next class. I could tell in those first 30 days how bad of a recruiter Hazell was. He didn't even bring any of his recruits from Youngstown st with him to Purdue. He wasn't persuasive enough to even flip his own recruits. Brohm has flipped 3 of his recruits, and may end up flipping six of them. It takes a good recruiter to be able to flip a recruit who has been committed to another school for over 6 months. And you can tell what the future will hold by the players he targets. Brohm has sent out at least 15 offers to date that I know of. But the offers went to 2 and 3 star athletes. I haven't seen Brohm offering any 4 or 5 star athlete in this short time. I haven't seen him try to flip any 4 star athlete like Yeast or Potts or Werner. In essence, I have seen Brohm finding warm bodies to fill glaring holes. But I haven't seen any sign that he will be a great recruiter. Better than Hazell, yes, but he needs to also be better than Louisville, Cincy, IU, U of I and Iowa etc. if we are to succeed in the future. I'm not seeing it yet. I'll give him another 30 days and continue to watch. I'm expecting Brohm to recruit better players than Hightower. And I do not give somebody who is making $3+ million a pass. He's benn on the recruiting trail for the past three years. He already knows and has met the elite athletes. Now is the time to show he can recruit them to come to Purdue.
I'm guessing WKU would beat our current team by 20-30. At this point, I'll take those lowly WKU recruits.
He came from Kent state.
Also, hazell landed some decent players in the first one. Yancey, panfil , monteroso. All had bcs offers
Recruiting is about relationships. No coach coming to Purdue is going to land 4 stars 30 days in. They haven't had the time nor opportunity to scout viable players
Next years class will tell you what he can do with a year. That is far more telling
Next years class will tell you what he can do with a year. That is far more telling
Of course Brohm has done more in his first 30 days than Hazel. Hazel was still coaching Kent st for their bowl game until jan 6. I blame that on Burke more than hazel. At this time 4 years ago, everyone on this board was lamenting the mess Hope left us with and praising hazel even though he had accomplished nothing for us yet (or ever as it turned out). We were all impressed with hazel's binder full of quotes he had accumulated from his previous coaches. Lots of good that did us. My point is I wanted us to hire Brohm and am happy with the hire, but will reserve judgement until we see the product on the field. I am optimistic tho. Everyone was ripping Hope, but I'd love to see his 6-6 record, little Caesar bowl, and a decent chance to beat IU every so often...
This is where I disagree. Both Hazell and Brohm were recruiting for their respective schools before signing with Purdue. Brohm doesn't need 30 days to find talent. He should already know what and where that talent is. And he should have been building those relationships over the past 1-2 years. He was able to sign Jallow because he had been recruiting him for the past 3 years at Louisville and WKU. Jallow is not a guy Brohm looked at on a list of available dibs. The same applies to Potts and Yeast. These players should already know Brohm. He's already been recruiting them. The same applies for Brohm's assistants when named. If they are quality assistants, they will have already made contacts and relationships. It's just a matter of bringing those recruits and relationships to Purdue. Yes, Brohm only has 30 days. But does it take any longer to recruit a 4* athlete than it does a 2* one? Is the sales pitch any different? Harder? Longer?
Hard to accomplish anything for your new team when you're still coaching your old team...
Get real. Don't expect 4-5 star recruits the first year. It IS about relationships.
Hell NO this team would get smoked by WKU. it is really sad when we are hoping to land WKU recruits. DH was trash as was Burke
Selling someone to follow you is much easier than selling someone with options.
You really expected 4 stars?
I am real. Obviously you didn't read my entire post. What I said was Brohm and his assistant have already built relationships the past 1-3 years. You could see it when Shepard's recruit Moore decommitted the day he left Washington St. You could see it when 6 players decommitted from WKU when Brohm left.
What I'm saying is if Brohm were a great recruiter, he should have already been recruiting and built relationships with elite athlete while coaching at WKU. and Purdue should hopefully be an easier sell. rather than getting Louisville's leftovers, we should be going after their main entrees.
What I'm saying is if Brohm were a great recruiter, he should have already been recruiting and built relationships with elite athlete while coaching at WKU. and Purdue should hopefully be an easier sell. rather than getting Louisville's leftovers, we should be going after their main entrees.
While Brohm has been recruiting for the last 3 years and developing relationships remember he has been employed by WKU (not a slam at the school) and the ability to get the 4* and 5* to actually allow the relationship to evolve has been limited I would think. While the Boilers have been bad, they still have access to a much bigger stage on which they play.
I say give him a year or 2 before trying to decide.
I say give him a year or 2 before trying to decide.
He wasn't recruiting in the same stratosphere. You are way off base
Guys who have bad attitudes and don't want to buy in need to go. Period. He is cherry picking the WKU recruits who can help Purdue immediately. I'm happy to have them. WKU is far better than Purdue right now; I'm happy to have better players regardless of where they come from. Our Boilers need a complete makeover. It's also nice to have guys decomitting from other schools to come to Purdue instead of vice versa. the 15 guys who decomitted under Hazell alone would have completely changed the complexion of this team. Look at the O-line guys we lost, and other guys like Tranquil(db/ND) and Robinson (wr/UM)...the list goes on. It's a good start. If we add Williams and White, along with Jallow, we will have added three guys who are 4 star recruits in one scouting service or another...not to mention an ND transfer and a Louisville flip...and all DB's who we desperately need. Recruits were decommitting left and right at this time last year...now the trend has changed.
Interesting... Do you have examples of other coaches moving up to P5 (comparable to Purdue) and getting 4-5* players in 30 days due to previous relationships built while at non P5 schools?
I have no idea how good or bad Brohm will be but your posts are off-base. Go check out Harbaugh's recruiting first class when he came to Michigan. It's not great.
We need more data points, but I would like to flip a few P5 commitments before signing day.
To me, it shouldn't matter where the coach was from. If Purdue had hired Miles or Strong or Sumlin, we would have expected them to be able to bring 4 star recruits with them. The latest UW Coach brought recruits with him and was able to recruit elite athletes given the same amount of time Brohm was given. are you saying I should cut Brohm more slack than UW was willing to cut their new coach? Are you saying we should wait a year before passing judgement? Isn't that what so many others besides BigReed did when it came for Hazell? You can't tell me Brohm hasn't tried to recruit 4 star athletes or built a relationship with elite athletes. He recruited Jallow while at WKU. And targeted and offered many 4* Athletes while at WKU. I fully expect when giving out new offers while at Purdue, those offers should go to some 4*. Athletes. The time is now to focus on both winning and recruiting - not a year from now. And there are a lot more 4* athletes still out there for the pickings besides Potts. If Brohm is the coach you say he is, he should be chasing those elusive players rather than settling for Louisville's leftovers. Maybe to many, I'm not very realistic. But my dream is to someday contend for a championship, not to stop at going 6-6 and go to some Bowl game I've never heard of.
There is a difference in targeting and ;offering. WKU isn't going to land too many four star players unless they have academic concerns. He probably offered some, but didn't get too far along with them. Once they aren't receptive to WKU or Purdue there isn't much reason to waste time and resources that could be used on someone that wants to come to school there. The longer a player is recruited the better the relationship. The biggest chance at four star players this class is having a good relationship with the head coach. Juco is big for this class as he needs players that are physically strong enough to play as there are many holes on the roster. The next two classes will be interesting to see how many high end talents he can get committed. Strong and Miles, etc. would have been all over four stars at previous stops because that's what's expected. WKU has to have an "in" to get a four star or above and even then it's tough.
Do we already have someone bitching about Brohm?
6-6 is already not good enough. Got that folks? Apparently Brohm does not have what it takes to get us to "the next level".
With a 9-39 record since 2012 it's not as if we have done well against Big Ten talent.
Yes, Petersen did sign three 4* players (on top of 3, 2 and 0 stars) at UW after he was hired. However, UW was in a much better state when Petersen stepped in. Sakisian, the previous coach brought in seven 4* players the year before, and five 4* plus one 5* player the year before that. Elite players were already being recruited and signed at UW. Not so at Purdue. Point being, unless you find a similar situation where a coach moves up to a P5 and inherits a cluster of a program like Purdue, your expectations for his first 30 days are entirely unrealistic.
There is a difference between my desires and my expectations. Bobinsky chose Brohm over Miles, Strong and the rest. So if Bobinsky thinks he's better, shouldn't I ? If we hire a guy over others,shouldn't we also expect him to at least be their equal? And if we are going to spend as much as other BIG10 schools, shouldn't we expect similar results? I get tired of people who say we are bad, so we should keep our expectations low. We don't do that in the academic world, we shouldn't accept it in the athletic world. Purdue conducted a national search. The analysts gave Bobinsky an A for his hiring. It is time for Brohm to earn that grade. I'm going to hold Brohm to the same standards I'd hold for all BIG 10 coaches. This is not a MAC or MVC school. As fans, we should expect more rather than continuing to expect and be happy with mediocrity. Hope was fired because he was mediocre. If you are happy with a 6-6 record, you would probably also be happy with a 2.5 GPA. On the other hand, I will always expect more. And the standards I will judge him by are the standards I judge other BIG 10 coaches by. Rather than comparing him to Hazell, I compare him to his peers at Penn St and UW, and Iowa, and IU and U of I and MSU, and Louisville. Anything less is accepting mediocrity.
Bobinski hired him for long term success, not necessarily a quick fix. he hired him because he thought he could build something better than the others. This recruiting class is important, but anticipating four and five star laden class is setting yourself up for disappointment. Hopefully he lands White and maybe one more, but I wouldn't count on it. The Brohm era is bigger than this one class. he can scheme with what he has to make them better, but needs able bodies and depth now.
This has to be a troll account, you can't be serious.
WTF...
What do you believe is reasonable to expect to have happened in the time frame that has passed since Brohm has been hired to cause you to post "The analysts gave Bobinsky an A for his hiring. It is time for Brohm to earn that grade"?
And no offense to you, your knowledge is shown early on in this post by stating some nonfactual evidence about Hazell's early recruiting along with stating he came from Youngstown State. I'll say your knowledge on football is somewhere between knowing the forward pass is relevant and that the game has the same name as soccer everywhere else.
I am not a troll I just have different expectations than most Purdue fans. I don't Packers will beat the Lions - I expect it! an no, a 10-6 season for the packers is not one to brag about. I leaned if you expect mediocrity, that is what you will receive. I have nothing against Bobinski or Brohm. My beef has always bee n with Purdue's fans and your low expectation your low acceptance standards. You cried so loud for the past 6 years, that the AD felt compelled to fire two very good people who were lousy coaches. but now, you are willing to lower your standards because the coach is new? if billicheck left the patriots would you lower your standards for the Patriots? Yo u are much like the Cubs fans of the 70's through 90's. the team is bad, so you expect the team to continue to be bad. You have a new coach, new facilities, and a lot more revenue being pumped into the Purdue football program. you need to set your standards higher. Brohm is supposed to better than miles and Strong and Pelini. he's being paid to be one of the top 25 coaches. So rather than comparing him to Hazell and hope, he needs to be compared to his his peers at other schools.
No, I've never had realistic expectations. I graduated from a University that sent men to the moon. I've worked with NASA on 12 Space Shuttle missions. I've seen men accomplishment many things that are not realistic! I do not want to accept mediocrity. For , if that is your standard of acceptance, that is surely, what you will receive. I don't want Brohm to take us back to the hope level. I want Brohm to take us to a higher level. I want Brohm to be like Armstrong and other great Purdue alumni and shoot for the stars, rather than just settling. I want Brohm to sign several 4/5* elite players to show that he can do it and is different than what we had in the past. Many people loved Panfil and Repogle because they were better than what we had. I want to fill this team with players who are better than what Iowa, UW, Nebraska and Illinois has. Because if we don't, we are no better than we were. We can't jus t be better than our own team. To win,, we must be better than our opponents. and that means winning at recruiting.
No, I've never had realistic expectations. I graduated from a University that sent men to the moon. I've worked with NASA on 12 Space Shuttle missions. I've seen men accomplishment many things that are not realistic! I do not want to accept mediocrity. For , if that is your standard of acceptance, that is surely, what you will receive. I don't want Brohm to take us back to the hope level. I want Brohm to take us to a higher level. I want Brohm to be like Armstrong and other great Purdue alumni and shoot for the stars, rather than just settling. I want Brohm to sign several 4/5* elite players to show that he can do it and is different than what we had in the past. Many people loved Panfil and Repogle because they were better than what we had. I want to fill this team with players who are better than what Iowa, UW, Nebraska and Illinois has. Because if we don't, we are no better than we were. We can't jus t be better than our own team. To win,, we must be better than our opponents. and that means winning at recruiting.
Similar threads
