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I'm an idea man. Details are for other posters to fill in. What does it matter where hazel l came from or how his name is spelled. Most of you also liked Hazell's recruits of Yancy, Panfil and Repogle. I didn't. I preferred the ones who were on our opponent's teams the last 3 years. They won, and we tired out in the 4th quarter of almost every game like a broken record.
 
What do I know about Hazell? Was he a WR at OSU or did he just coach them? A lot of OSU receivers were 1st round draft picks. Hazell wasn't. As a head coach he beat a Rutgers team when the Rutgers QB threw 4 interceptions. The same thing happened against Nebraska . Hazell didn't beat them, they beat themselves. Hazell coached his team in a conference championship game. Just like at Purdue, his team was winning in the 4th quarter and found a way to lose. Hazell used to have 4/5 * athletes attend his football camps and sign elsewhere.. now they no longer even come to his camps. Is there anything more I really need to know about Hazell? Does it really make a difference where he coached?
 
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"Yo u are much like the Cubs fans of the 70's through 90's. the team is bad, so you expect the team to continue to be bad."

Lifelong no Cubs fan. When Epstein and company took over, he said it wasn't going to happen overnight. He said it was going to be a rough three to five years.

Brohm will have the same battle. I love the enthusiasm but it takes time to become the Patriots that we no know. They used to be terrible. Duke wasn't good right away when Coach K took over.

It takes time to build a program and I'd hope you give time to our new administration. Just because of how far the program has fallen doesn't mean expectations will stay low. I'd anticipate a gradual improvement over each season with a bowl game being possible depending how the jucos perform. The schedule will present serious challenges though.
 
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I am not a troll I just have different expectations than most Purdue fans. I don't Packers will beat the Lions - I expect it! an no, a 10-6 season for the packers is not one to brag about. I leaned if you expect mediocrity, that is what you will receive. I have nothing against Bobinski or Brohm. My beef has always bee n with Purdue's fans and your low expectation your low acceptance standards. You cried so loud for the past 6 years, that the AD felt compelled to fire two very good people who were lousy coaches. but now, you are willing to lower your standards because the coach is new? if billicheck left the patriots would you lower your standards for the Patriots? Yo u are much like the Cubs fans of the 70's through 90's. the team is bad, so you expect the team to continue to be bad. You have a new coach, new facilities, and a lot more revenue being pumped into the Purdue football program. you need to set your standards higher. Brohm is supposed to better than miles and Strong and Pelini. he's being paid to be one of the top 25 coaches. So rather than comparing him to Hazell and hope, he needs to be compared to his his peers at other schools.

No, I've never had realistic expectations. I graduated from a University that sent men to the moon. I've worked with NASA on 12 Space Shuttle missions. I've seen men accomplishment many things that are not realistic! I do not want to accept mediocrity. For , if that is your standard of acceptance, that is surely, what you will receive. I don't want Brohm to take us back to the hope level. I want Brohm to take us to a higher level. I want Brohm to be like Armstrong and other great Purdue alumni and shoot for the stars, rather than just settling. I want Brohm to sign several 4/5* elite players to show that he can do it and is different than what we had in the past. Many people loved Panfil and Repogle because they were better than what we had. I want to fill this team with players who are better than what Iowa, UW, Nebraska and Illinois has. Because if we don't, we are no better than we were. We can't jus t be better than our own team. To win,, we must be better than our opponents. and that means winning at recruiting.
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I don't think you're a troll.

But man, have fun and enjoy the ride! Brohm hasn't even coached a game yet. There's no need for all this self-imposed drama!
 
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I am not a troll I just have different expectations than most Purdue fans. I don't Packers will beat the Lions - I expect it! an no, a 10-6 season for the packers is not one to brag about. I leaned if you expect mediocrity, that is what you will receive. I have nothing against Bobinski or Brohm. My beef has always bee n with Purdue's fans and your low expectation your low acceptance standards. You cried so loud for the past 6 years, that the AD felt compelled to fire two very good people who were lousy coaches. but now, you are willing to lower your standards because the coach is new? if billicheck left the patriots would you lower your standards for the Patriots? Yo u are much like the Cubs fans of the 70's through 90's. the team is bad, so you expect the team to continue to be bad. You have a new coach, new facilities, and a lot more revenue being pumped into the Purdue football program. you need to set your standards higher. Brohm is supposed to better than miles and Strong and Pelini. he's being paid to be one of the top 25 coaches. So rather than comparing him to Hazell and hope, he needs to be compared to his his peers at other schools.

No, I've never had realistic expectations. I graduated from a University that sent men to the moon. I've worked with NASA on 12 Space Shuttle missions. I've seen men accomplishment many things that are not realistic! I do not want to accept mediocrity. For , if that is your standard of acceptance, that is surely, what you will receive. I don't want Brohm to take us back to the hope level. I want Brohm to take us to a higher level. I want Brohm to be like Armstrong and other great Purdue alumni and shoot for the stars, rather than just settling. I want Brohm to sign several 4/5* elite players to show that he can do it and is different than what we had in the past. Many people loved Panfil and Repogle because they were better than what we had. I want to fill this team with players who are better than what Iowa, UW, Nebraska and Illinois has. Because if we don't, we are no better than we were. We can't jus t be better than our own team. To win,, we must be better than our opponents. and that means winning at recruiting.
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I don't know what to tell you except that you can expect and demand anything you want, but that won't change anything.

You should really find another hobby where you will be able to put those expectations of yours to better use. As a fan, you are strictly along for the ride, and as a Purdue fan, its going to be a tough one.
 
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I don't know what to tell you except that you can expect and demand anything you want, but that won't change anything.

You should really find another hobby where you will be able to put those expectations of yours to better use. As a fan, you are strictly along for the ride, and as a Purdue fan, its going to be a tough one.
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Yea lol that poster probably needs to find a new team to root for
 
nips18 said:
"Yo u are much like the Cubs fans of the 70's through 90's. the team is bad, so you expect the team to continue to be bad."

Lifelong no Cubs fan. When Epstein and company took over, he said it wasn't going to happen overnight. He said it was going to be a rough three to five years.

Brohm will have the same battle. I love the enthusiasm but it takes time to become the Patriots that we no know. They used to be terrible. Duke wasn't good right away when Coach K took over.

It takes time to build a program and I'd hope you give time to our new administration. Just because of how far the program has fallen doesn't mean expectations will stay low. I'd anticipate a gradual improvement over each season with a bowl game being possible depending how the jucos perform. The schedule will present serious challenges though.
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I've said it before and I will say it again....Early on in this new era we as Purdue Fans are going to have to take some consolation in seeing our team actually compete and play hard in some losses and win the ones that we should...Fact of the matter is...moral Victories are not enough but we will have to take them early on....When Purdue Fans see promise return to Purdue Football, support will return.
When H.S. Coaches and people in the know see BRHOM coach a smart game and is capable of competing/winning in the big Ten...higher level players will come.
Mediocrity, no......BigTen Championship in year two,no......
 
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boiledmeconium said:
I don't think you're a troll.

But man, have fun and enjoy the ride! Brohm hasn't even coached a game yet. There's no need for all this self-imposed drama!
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I don't think he's a troll either and I believe I have a good handle on his perspective. Also it seems to me that some readers are missing his points. I don't think CJB would leave talented recruits out there either but he is scrambling to put together a competitive class, plus meet h.s.coaches, hire a staff etc. There will be more attrition especially when conditioning begins. It's a given with a new coaching staff so I'm not telling readers anything they don't know. As a wise Roman centurion once said "Gird your loins" for the journey ahead....
 
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Wolegib said:
There is a difference between my desires and my expectations. Bobinsky chose Brohm over Miles, Strong and the rest. So if Bobinsky thinks he's better, shouldn't I ? If we hire a guy over others,shouldn't we also expect him to at least be their equal? And if we are going to spend as much as other BIG10 schools, shouldn't we expect similar results? I get tired of people who say we are bad, so we should keep our expectations low. We don't do that in the academic world, we shouldn't accept it in the athletic world. Purdue conducted a national search. The analysts gave Bobinsky an A for his hiring. It is time for Brohm to earn that grade. I'm going to hold Brohm to the same standards I'd hold for all BIG 10 coaches. This is not a MAC or MVC school. As fans, we should expect more rather than continuing to expect and be happy with mediocrity. Hope was fired because he was mediocre. If you are happy with a 6-6 record, you would probably also be happy with a 2.5 GPA. On the other hand, I will always expect more. And the standards I will judge him by are the standards I judge other BIG 10 coaches by. Rather than comparing him to Hazell, I compare him to his peers at Penn St and UW, and Iowa, and IU and U of I and MSU, and Louisville. Anything less is accepting mediocrity.
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Let's keep this simpler than your LONG post: College football recruiting doesn't work like you want it to. Get your "disappointed" post ready for signing day. i hope that he can coach up who we do gave already plus who we will get. To expect what you are stating is unrealistic.
 
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I am not a troll I just have different expectations than most Purdue fans. I don't Packers will beat the Lions - I expect it! an no, a 10-6 season for the packers is not one to brag about. I leaned if you expect mediocrity, that is what you will receive. I have nothing against Bobinski or Brohm. My beef has always bee n with Purdue's fans and your low expectation your low acceptance standards. You cried so loud for the past 6 years, that the AD felt compelled to fire two very good people who were lousy coaches. but now, you are willing to lower your standards because the coach is new? if billicheck left the patriots would you lower your standards for the Patriots? Yo u are much like the Cubs fans of the 70's through 90's. the team is bad, so you expect the team to continue to be bad. You have a new coach, new facilities, and a lot more revenue being pumped into the Purdue football program. you need to set your standards higher. Brohm is supposed to better than miles and Strong and Pelini. he's being paid to be one of the top 25 coaches. So rather than comparing him to Hazell and hope, he needs to be compared to his his peers at other schools.

No, I've never had realistic expectations. I graduated from a University that sent men to the moon. I've worked with NASA on 12 Space Shuttle missions. I've seen men accomplishment many things that are not realistic! I do not want to accept mediocrity. For , if that is your standard of acceptance, that is surely, what you will receive. I don't want Brohm to take us back to the hope level. I want Brohm to take us to a higher level. I want Brohm to be like Armstrong and other great Purdue alumni and shoot for the stars, rather than just settling. I want Brohm to sign several 4/5* elite players to show that he can do it and is different than what we had in the past. Many people loved Panfil and Repogle because they were better than what we had. I want to fill this team with players who are better than what Iowa, UW, Nebraska and Illinois has. Because if we don't, we are no better than we were. We can't jus t be better than our own team. To win,, we must be better than our opponents. and that means winning at recruiting.
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Stick to NASA. Football recruiting isn't your forte, I'm afraid.
 
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Wolegib said:
I'm an idea man. Details are for other posters to fill in. What does it matter where hazel l came from or how his name is spelled. Most of you also liked Hazell's recruits of Yancy, Panfil and Repogle. I didn't. I preferred the ones who were on our opponent's teams the last 3 years. They won, and we tired out in the 4th quarter of almost every game like a broken record.
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Yancey, Panfil, and Replogle didn't tire out...they gave all that they had and then some.
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Of course they did. Panfil and replogle gave a lot to the team however, you could tell they would get worn down in the second half. No shame in it at all. No college d lineman should be playing 50+ snaps in a game. There is just too much required on every play for that many snaps
 
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He came from Kent state.

Also, hazell landed some decent players in the first one. Yancey, panfil , monteroso. All had bcs offers
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Ahhhhhhh, now I see the problem with DH. We thought he was from Kent State and he was really from Youngstown State.
 
Wolegib said:
I am not a troll I just have different expectations than most Purdue fans. I don't Packers will beat the Lions - I expect it! an no, a 10-6 season for the packers is not one to brag about. I leaned if you expect mediocrity, that is what you will receive. I have nothing against Bobinski or Brohm. My beef has always bee n with Purdue's fans and your low expectation your low acceptance standards. You cried so loud for the past 6 years, that the AD felt compelled to fire two very good people who were lousy coaches. but now, you are willing to lower your standards because the coach is new? if billicheck left the patriots would you lower your standards for the Patriots? Yo u are much like the Cubs fans of the 70's through 90's. the team is bad, so you expect the team to continue to be bad. You have a new coach, new facilities, and a lot more revenue being pumped into the Purdue football program. you need to set your standards higher. Brohm is supposed to better than miles and Strong and Pelini. he's being paid to be one of the top 25 coaches. So rather than comparing him to Hazell and hope, he needs to be compared to his his peers at other schools.

No, I've never had realistic expectations. I graduated from a University that sent men to the moon. I've worked with NASA on 12 Space Shuttle missions. I've seen men accomplishment many things that are not realistic! I do not want to accept mediocrity. For , if that is your standard of acceptance, that is surely, what you will receive. I don't want Brohm to take us back to the hope level. I want Brohm to take us to a higher level. I want Brohm to be like Armstrong and other great Purdue alumni and shoot for the stars, rather than just settling. I want Brohm to sign several 4/5* elite players to show that he can do it and is different than what we had in the past. Many people loved Panfil and Repogle because they were better than what we had. I want to fill this team with players who are better than what Iowa, UW, Nebraska and Illinois has. Because if we don't, we are no better than we were. We can't jus t be better than our own team. To win,, we must be better than our opponents. and that means winning at recruiting.
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One other thing you are also forgetting is that Brohm has one other person on staff to recruit. Every coach he brings in will have connections to their previous stop's recruits. Hopefully he is being very deliberate to get the best DC available. Recruiting is far from over for you to be ragging on him.
 
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Way too EARLY to critize and evaluate his first recruiting class...he has done exactly what needed to be done up to this point, brought in some JUCO's, got some flips from WKU and cut some dead weight on the current roster. As the dead period ends in recruiting AND he adds to his Coaching Staff BOTH will bring in additional recruits that in their opinion will make Purdue a better Football Team!
 
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Wolegib said:
This is where I disagree. Both Hazell and Brohm were recruiting for their respective schools before signing with Purdue. Brohm doesn't need 30 days to find talent. He should already know what and where that talent is. And he should have been building those relationships over the past 1-2 years. He was able to sign Jallow because he had been recruiting him for the past 3 years at Louisville and WKU. Jallow is not a guy Brohm looked at on a list of available dibs. The same applies to Potts and Yeast. These players should already know Brohm. He's already been recruiting them. The same applies for Brohm's assistants when named. If they are quality assistants, they will have already made contacts and relationships. It's just a matter of bringing those recruits and relationships to Purdue. Yes, Brohm only has 30 days. But does it take any longer to recruit a 4* athlete than it does a 2* one? Is the sales pitch any different? Harder? Longer?
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One of the most ridiculous walls of text I have seen on here.

With the state Haze left things, Brohm most certainly gets more than 30 days to find talent. Give me a break.
 
Not defending anyone, but if we are going to compete in the B1G and more, eventually we will need to get better talents than 2/3*. But it won't happen right away until we start winning some games. We need to give Brohm some time.
 
Wolegib said:
I am not a troll I just have different expectations than most Purdue fans. I don't Packers will beat the Lions - I expect it! an no, a 10-6 season for the packers is not one to brag about. I leaned if you expect mediocrity, that is what you will receive. I have nothing against Bobinski or Brohm. My beef has always bee n with Purdue's fans and your low expectation your low acceptance standards. You cried so loud for the past 6 years, that the AD felt compelled to fire two very good people who were lousy coaches. but now, you are willing to lower your standards because the coach is new? if billicheck left the patriots would you lower your standards for the Patriots? Yo u are much like the Cubs fans of the 70's through 90's. the team is bad, so you expect the team to continue to be bad. You have a new coach, new facilities, and a lot more revenue being pumped into the Purdue football program. you need to set your standards higher. Brohm is supposed to better than miles and Strong and Pelini. he's being paid to be one of the top 25 coaches. So rather than comparing him to Hazell and hope, he needs to be compared to his his peers at other schools.

No, I've never had realistic expectations. I graduated from a University that sent men to the moon. I've worked with NASA on 12 Space Shuttle missions. I've seen men accomplishment many things that are not realistic! I do not want to accept mediocrity. For , if that is your standard of acceptance, that is surely, what you will receive. I don't want Brohm to take us back to the hope level. I want Brohm to take us to a higher level. I want Brohm to be like Armstrong and other great Purdue alumni and shoot for the stars, rather than just settling. I want Brohm to sign several 4/5* elite players to show that he can do it and is different than what we had in the past. Many people loved Panfil and Repogle because they were better than what we had. I want to fill this team with players who are better than what Iowa, UW, Nebraska and Illinois has. Because if we don't, we are no better than we were. We can't jus t be better than our own team. To win,, we must be better than our opponents. and that means winning at recruiting.
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I'm sorry but unless you are new to keyboards or you are lying, I'd expect a lot better grammar from someone boasting that they are essentially a rocket scientist for NASA...unless you are the custodian who cleans the shuttles.

Traditionally, Purdue has done those things and nearly every one here realizes exactly where the program is right now. Honest question for you: Outside of the new facilities (which are on par with most in the B1G, not better) and a new coach, what is the attraction to Purdue that could suddenly draw the type of recruits you suddenly want to show up...especially this late in the recruiti cycle for 2017? Brohm has flipped some of his recruits he knows can help Purdue and ones he feels can contribute to a B1G team and has gone and filled immediate needs with JUCO players. That is EXACTLY what many here thought he should do because most people here, if you followed this board at all, realize the build that is required.

Your expectations are totally out of whack and you will probably be a fan clamoring for Brohm to be fired if he ends up starting 0-3...which could totally happen next season with the non-conference dummy Burke signed the program up for.
 
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I'm an idea man. Details are for other posters to fill in. What does it matter where hazel l came from or how his name is spelled. Most of you also liked Hazell's recruits of Yancy, Panfil and Repogle. I didn't. I preferred the ones who were on our opponent's teams the last 3 years. They won, and we tired out in the 4th quarter of almost every game like a broken record.
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I also like the recruits from Whisky and Nebraska and Michigan is bringing in for next season. The difference is that I want young men who want to be here and choose to be Boilermakers to be here under a new coach. You also just named the best players in the program over the last 3 years that could have played at every other B1G school (even UM and OSU as I think Replogle is that good). You saying those players aren't good enough for Purdue is idiotic. The way you are posting and the language you are using says you are a fly-by fan that only likes Purdue when they are good (which is fine) or just totally not in tune with the reality of college football today.
 
Winning at recruiting at Purdue pretty much means we're going to have to be cheating too.
 
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One of the most ridiculous walls of text I have seen on here.

With the state Haze left things, Brohm most certainly gets more than 30 days to find talent. Give me a break.
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No.

Even though it took Morgue 10-12 years to burn this program to the ground, I want CJB to fix it in 30 days.

No, on second thought, I DEMAND that he fix it in 30 days!!!
 
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I'm sorry but unless you are new to keyboards or you are lying, I'd expect a lot better grammar from someone boasting that they are essentially a rocket scientist for NASA...unless you are the custodian who cleans the shuttles.

Traditionally, Purdue has done those things and nearly every one here realizes exactly where the program is right now. Honest question for you: Outside of the new facilities (which are on par with most in the B1G, not better) and a new coach, what is the attraction to Purdue that could suddenly draw the type of recruits you suddenly want to show up...especially this late in the recruiti cycle for 2017? Brohm has flipped some of his recruits he knows can help Purdue and ones he feels can contribute to a B1G team and has gone and filled immediate needs with JUCO players. That is EXACTLY what many here thought he should do because most people here, if you followed this board at all, realize the build that is required.

Your expectations are totally out of whack and you will probably be a fan clamoring for Brohm to be fired if he ends up starting 0-3...which could totally happen next season with the non-conference dummy Burke signed the program up for.
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Hey, come on, he's an idea man, a big picture guy. These little details are for his lackeys to come up with.
 
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an updated rooster ??? as soon as I see the fox come out of the hen house ! that's when I'll see an updated rooster. Was I the only person who caught that? and you guys criticize my typing/spilling? I thought that was funny.

And unlike being a Packers fan, being a Boilermaker fan is different because I'm also an alumni, and they ask me monthly for my money. With my other investments, I want to see my money being spent and utilized wisely. Is that wrong? I believe in Purdue. I had other choices in life. I could have gone to Northwestern or UW.

as for really bad threads, there was one on this board right about the time of the Purdue IU game where two posters basically said did not, did too for about what seemed like 100 posts in one thread. I don't even know who started it, and I doubt they do either.

Griffiths and several others probably know me by a different name . I've argued with them before. I didn't join this board this month.

I want to see a glimpse of the future. I'm not asking Brohm to sign 10 4/5* athletes. but I'm knowledgeable to know there are at least 100 4/5 * athletes out there still looking for a team, and some love. Why can't we be that team? if IU, U of I and Iowa can sign 4* athletes, I have confidence and expectations Brohm can to!
 
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No, you're really not. That much is established.
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Nice of you to take my quote out of context and only print a portion of it to suit your own agenda. Next time, how about copying the entire sentence ? or is that too much to ask from a savy tech guy like yourself ?
 
Wolegib said:
Nice of you to take my quote out of context and only print a portion of it to suit your own agenda. Next time, how about copying the entire sentence ? or is that too much to ask from a savy tech guy like yourself ?
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I copied and quoted the part that applies to you. I would think someone claiming to be as smart as you claim could grasp that concept.
 
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