If only there was a way for us to settle this argument objectively...say on a grass field somewhere. In the late afternoon. Perhaps on Saturday.
Michigan is beatable
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It is amazing how fast the expectations have risen. Is 3 games really a good indicator?? Have there been improvements? Definitely!! Are we ready to compete with a top 10 team? Not sure....jury is still out.
I sure hope that the expectations have not become unrealistic already. If we lose on Saturday, will some knucklehead start up FireJeffBrohm.com????????
Have fun, but keep it real!
For sure. I'm generally riding down the middle of the extremes on here and hoops board. But it's nice to be able to get pumped about a big football game again! My expectations are 23-17 Michigan, which I think would be remarkable given where this team has come from. Just giving our defense a little love in this matchup. I think one of the Michigan scores comes from defense or st.
I love Brohm as a coach but giving this year's Purdue team credit for Western Kentucky's achievements is a bit of a reach.
To your last point if speed is an advantage to us how is it that the field will not slow down your own players and still leave us with a speed advantage?
4* & 5* athletes may = bigger & faster athletes(that's all it implies)... BUT in no way do those designations quantify as to intelligence or determination. I like our chances to "overachieve" and to play above the recruiting services expectations.
The service academies have proven this out for years against higher rated teams.
The service academies have proven this out for years against higher rated teams.
This is a dumb comment. I'm giving Brohm and (most of) his staff credit for his achievements at WKU.
Right. Brohm is great, that we agree on.
But coaching football isn't like playing chess. One team having better players usually matters quite a lot. It took Brohm time to build Western Kentucky into the program it became. Same as it will at Purdue.
Brohm went 8-5, 12-2, and 10-3 in three seasons. No, it didn't take Brohm time to build WKU into what it became. He won right away in his first season, just like he will do at Purdue. Purdue is going to be a bowl team this season - just you watch.
It would be good for the conference if Purdue were to make a bowl.
Not disagreeing about making a bowl game. And Western Kentucky was obviously a better team after a couple of years with Brohm at the helm vs year one.
That's not what you said or what you meant. You meant Purdue would not play well enough to make a bowl because you assumed that Brohm took a season or two at WKU to get it turned around. Brohm had immediate success at WKU and he has/will at Purdue as well. 12-2 in his second season at WKU is obviously impressive.
Mostly for two reasons..
1) you have some of the best players money can buy
2) if it looks like Purdue will strike early and often I imagine we start seeing some funny calls from the officials
Man, would I love to see something as weird and funny as this.You can always be slower.
But
Isn't your hype based on playing 3 games without a common opponent?
CJB was doing what he did at WKU with similar class ranking that Purdue has had over the years. He didn't necessarily have better talent, he just developed it. The difference between spring and now has been impressive and they are improving every game. (I got a little long winded, but the last paragraph sums up my point if you are intimidated by the text Wall).
The people that said he wouldn't win 3 games seemed to forget that. Purdue was awful, but it was because of coaching. They always had a handful of very impressive players.
Purdue had major flaws at the offensive and defensive line, defensive backs were thin, QB was turnover proned, and all of their best WRs graduated. He signed JUCOs and transfers to fill the voids, but a lot of Purdue's core was kept. CJB filled the voids to make Purdue's front 7 a strength. The transfers completely transformed the defensive backfield. This showed his ability to understand his roster and find the best available talent. Very refreshing to see.
Then came coaching the guys up. Blough is light years ahead of where he was last year. He doesn't have the same type of core he had last year, but he doesn't make as many back-breaking mistakes. He looks like a 5th year senior.
Also, CJB hired a very impressive staff. Holt has been amazing. On the off chance that CJB gets stolen away, Holt should be a top candidate to replace. They are on the same page, but different sides of the ball.
Lastly, would be the playbook. CJB has football fun again. A lot of screens and trick plays. Smart plays that get the ball into the hands of the best weapons and give them a chance to make a play. Next year will be even better if they land Rondale Moore. He will be on the house when we take on Michigan. The atmosphere should be crazy. Got to impress him.
Long winded answer, but he has just as much talent as his WKU teams. He just is a much better coach. This will lead to an increase in talent. That will lead to an increase in results.
It is good to see that you have an excuse lined up and ready to go prior to kickoff.
lol, thanks for telling me what I meant. HTF do you get "you meant Purdue wouldn't make a bowl!!!". What I meant was, although greatly improved, Purdue is unlikely to win on Saturday.
No deviation from my earlier prediction. PUR 35 MI 24
I've read a lot of MI stuff lately regarding their offense and it is #15 rushing. I just do not see that. It might be skewed by the poor play at QB. I'm all in on my prediction. If I'm wrong, so be it. We are still a much improved team beyond what most anyone thought. It should be fun to watch since I anticipate that we'll aim to keep MI defense guessing throughout the game.
I've read a lot of MI stuff lately regarding their offense and it is #15 rushing. I just do not see that. It might be skewed by the poor play at QB. I'm all in on my prediction. If I'm wrong, so be it. We are still a much improved team beyond what most anyone thought. It should be fun to watch since I anticipate that we'll aim to keep MI defense guessing throughout the game.
Sorry, but that's not what you said before.
Michigan will play tight, as they have so far this season and Purdue will beat them Saturday in a close one. After the game, you may or may not come back and finally admit that Purdue is the best team Michigan has faced this season so far.
I’m not sure what hype you’re referring to. I’m not convinced we win on Saturday. In fact if we played UM 10 times, you probably win 7-8 of them.
why would michigan play tight? their "tight" game was playing florida at the beginning of the year in Jerry's World. If theres going to be a tight team that would be purdue. Playing at home...4:00 pm kick, everybody watching to see if Purdue has turned the corner.
No. Michigan is ranked in the Top10 - Purdue is unranked. The pressure is on Michigan. If the Wolverines lose, it'll be a pretty big upset. If Purdue loses, well Michigan was supposed to win anyway.
Also, Harbaugh is a pretty conservative playcaller. He often seems uptight to me. The Michigan team largely takes on the reflection of their HC. Michigan hasn't played well since the Florida game, truth be told, and especially on offense. They looked downright pedestrian vs. Cinci and Air Force. Florida started a FR QB, who was not a good passer. Michigan didn't exactly light the world on fire vs. Florida on offense, either.
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I can assure you Michigan's coaching staff is familiar with Brohm's offense. I don't think I've even seen a Michigan fan saying anything about this being similar to Tiller, let alone a Michigan coach.
What gives me optimism for Michigan's D against Purdue's offense is that Don Brown's D is unlike anything else opposing offenses face. He has made his living by having defenses impose their will on offenses and not reacting to what offenses do. Corners will be in press coverage almost all day. He will blitz a lot and it will come from everywhere. QBs can rarely tell what side the pressure is coming from, let alone who is blitzing. While this would get torched at the NFL level, college QBs aren't nearly as good at reading the pressure and accurately picking it apart. He will take fast, physical athletes and take away the run game and the short passing game. He leaves himself vulnerable to deep passing attack, but relies on his blitzes getting home before the receivers can get open deep.
So line up and take your shots down field and hope your QB survives. Nothing else works consistently against his defense. He does it through a variety of techniques, but IMHO one of the most important is having essentially 3 safeties (if you include nominal LB "viper" Khaleke Hudson) that can all cover man to man from the slot and freely rotate responsibilities when teams motion receivers. Motion doesn't tip their hand like it does other defenses and it doesn't cause nearly as much trouble since they can just flip their responsibilities on the fly.
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Your entitled to your opinion as am I.
Purdue 35
MI 24
We'll get a lead in the first half and never look back. MI will not be able to keep pace in points primarily due to Offense being ineffective like we have seen the past two weeks on TV. Only the running game could save MI at this point not the QB.
I've heard all about the touted MI Defense, we'll soon see.
Michigan may win (personally I think if Purdue doesn't turn the ball over, Purdue wins), but Michigan isn't going to win by 18. Michigan won't come close to scoring 34 either. Could see Michigan at 24-27. Michigan's offense isn't that good and you can't rely on pick6's and kick and punt returns every game.
Nothing but double-digit wins so far. With the youngest Power 5 team. It's terrible.
Dam* maybe Michigan will start REALLY winning when it, you know, gets it together.
Go Blue. Always.
In college football you kind of can ride D and ST to lots of points. Michigan last season finished #11 nationally in scoring offense at 40.3 PPG despite ranking #72 nationally in total offense and #68 in yards per play.
Elite defense creates lots of 3 and outs which creates lots of punts which combined with great special teams creates a lot of very short fields for your offense to operate with. Even mediocre offenses can rack up lots of points when handed repeated short fields to work with.
Michigan saw the inverse of this in Rich Rodriguez's last season when they had an elite offense (#8 in total offense but only #25 in scoring offense) when their crappy D and special teams repeatedly left the offense 80+ yards to go on possessions.
College offenses don't have complete control of how many points a team scores. Defense and special teams can greatly alter that point total.
If Purdue gives up 24 points, that will be tough to overcome. I'm guessing Mi 19 PU 24.
There's really a lot more important things than college football. I enjoy it and like when Purdue does well. I'll like being in Lake Tahoe this weekend more than any result though. It's a game. Enjoy it.
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