Miami, Maryland, USC.....
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All those school's football budgets are double ours. Additionally, USC's coach was embarrassing the university.
Money is not a factor. If you're going to use money as an excuse of why you can't compete, we should join the MAC for football.
Purdue has the money, they just don't have the commitment from administration.
I would say being the worst team in college football is embarrassing , and making all the fans feel like they wasted a ton of money on tickets this year.
Newsflash Purdue just announced a 60m training facility upgrade we can afford the buyout.
I'm as frustrated as you are but it's not a matter of just affording the buyout. If we do it mid-season, who on our staff is remotely qualified to be interim coach? Shoop- No, Hudson- No, my vote would be Freeman but he doesn't have any experience above being a position coach.
Add on buy-outs of all coordinators and position coaches.
Add on money and resources for a coaching search.
Add on time for all players to get acclimated to a new coach/system.
Lose many of recruit commits and set program back another few years.
Top coaching options are going to those three schools listed above. More "better option" schools will be open as well. I think were a better job than Illinois, but that is debatable. They may keep Cubit as he seems to be doing a decent job.
Unless Burke can get a slam-dunk "I want to come to Purdue..." coach that is young and has a decent track record, it just doesn't make sense to fire Hazell after this season. With no inside information, it seems like the players like playing for him. Were all pissed at the past few years but who's to say that getting another coach of similar track record will change things? Many of you are clamoring for Babers- what if he has similar results here? What if he comes in for an interview and then gets offered the South Carolina job?
If it's the same story next year then you have no choice but to cut bait and move on. At least the buyout will be cheaper.
Add on buy-outs of all coordinators and position coaches.
Add on money and resources for a coaching search.
Add on time for all players to get acclimated to a new coach/system.
Lose many of recruit commits and set program back another few years.
Top coaching options are going to those three schools listed above. More "better option" schools will be open as well. I think were a better job than Illinois, but that is debatable. They may keep Cubit as he seems to be doing a decent job.
Unless Burke can get a slam-dunk "I want to come to Purdue..." coach that is young and has a decent track record, it just doesn't make sense to fire Hazell after this season. With no inside information, it seems like the players like playing for him. Were all pissed at the past few years but who's to say that getting another coach of similar track record will change things? Many of you are clamoring for Babers- what if he has similar results here? What if he comes in for an interview and then gets offered the South Carolina job?
If it's the same story next year then you have no choice but to cut bait and move on. At least the buyout will be cheaper.
I don't understand why people are remotely concerned with what the buyout will cost? It's doesn't matter. It's not going to effect you personally, unless somehow you're personal compensation is tied to the buyout?
You think there won't be enough money for the next coach? Wrong again. Purdue CAN'T afford not to pay top dollar for another coach. If you want to be a big time program, you gotta pay big time salaries. It is what it is.
What the worse that could happen if they fired DH and hired Freeman as interim? He loses out and doesn't get the HC job next year? I don't think that's any different than firing DH right now, considering he's likely to lose out and be fired anyway.
I say give Freeman a shot, see what he can do. See how the players respond. Start putting out feelers for a new HC if Freeman isn't the guy instead of waiting until the end of the year and competing with all the other vacancies.
No coaching candidate worth a damn is going to commit to an opening without seeing all the options he has. We will be competing will all the other openings regardless.
Just my $.02:
1) I'm generally not in favor of mid-season firings. But, if it was going to happen then last week (entering the bye) would have by far the best time to do it. Haze, Shoop, and Hudson are here through at least Thanksgiving regardless of what Maryland and Miami choose to do.
2) Expecting a bunch of position coaches to do anything productive on 2/3 of a normal coaching staff seems unrealistic. The scenario of getting rid of Haze, Shoop, and Hudson to see what Freeman can do is setting the guy up for cataclysmic failure.
3) I agree with nat100 - no hiring decisions are going to be made until after Thanksgiving anyway. I don't think firing anybody now is going to help land the next coach.
4) 5-26 is bad. Very, very bad. Worthy of termination bad. But, I still think the administration has to give the staff at least three full seasons. It's going to be hard enough to get a quality coach to commit to this rebuild. Let it be known he could be out on his ass in 2.5 seasons...
1) I'm generally not in favor of mid-season firings. But, if it was going to happen then last week (entering the bye) would have by far the best time to do it. Haze, Shoop, and Hudson are here through at least Thanksgiving regardless of what Maryland and Miami choose to do.
2) Expecting a bunch of position coaches to do anything productive on 2/3 of a normal coaching staff seems unrealistic. The scenario of getting rid of Haze, Shoop, and Hudson to see what Freeman can do is setting the guy up for cataclysmic failure.
3) I agree with nat100 - no hiring decisions are going to be made until after Thanksgiving anyway. I don't think firing anybody now is going to help land the next coach.
4) 5-26 is bad. Very, very bad. Worthy of termination bad. But, I still think the administration has to give the staff at least three full seasons. It's going to be hard enough to get a quality coach to commit to this rebuild. Let it be known he could be out on his ass in 2.5 seasons...
I believe DH will be here for at least one more. Don't like it. Won't fix a thing by staying but I don't see the current AD and the BOT giving him the axe. Also with our conservative approach to everything I think the fear of a PC violation will inhibit change this year.
Haven't read through past your post but Taver Johnskn served as interim head coach for Arkansas between Petrino and Bielema and Malone was an OC at Michigan. Both would serve as interim HC just fine.
If Hazell is the HC in 2016, I bet you see the lowest number of season tix sold ever.
I'd be in favor of keeping DH if he were showing improvement somewhere, anywhere. But, his recruiting hasn't improved, the on field performance hasn't improved, the team still does all the things poorly coached teams do (penalties, turnovers, mental lapses.). I don't see a single area where there's been improvement in 3 years.
I concur. Just don't see our illustrious "leaders" making any move at all for another year.
I also concur since we are stuck with out current president and the BOT the president appointed. I think the early announcement of the $60 million project was to show support for Hazell and support for his recruiting. I don't agree that his recruiting is hampered by our current facilities,.
If keeping Hazy around one more year ensures that Captain Morgan doesn't get the opportunity to botch another hire, I'm all for it. Maybe Mitch is thinking the same way.
I agree that he deserves to be fired if we don't pull out a few wins out the second half of the season. I just don't think its realistic given how our athletic department operates. I know the buyout will not matter to me personally, but it is in the mind of our AD and BOT.
Johnson could be a decent interim coach (I'd still prefer Freeman as I think he's the best coach on the staff), but why not give Hazell a chance dig himself out of this. The season isn't going anywhere and fan interest is in a downward spiral regardless. What advantage do you see by firing him now as opposed to after the Indiana game? Do you think either of those guys has a legit shot to get the job? If Burke thinks were going a different direction, he has already started looking into outside candidates.
Would it change any of your opinions if we won our next two games in beating Nebraska and Illinois? While it's not likely, it isn't impossible.
Johnson could be a decent interim coach (I'd still prefer Freeman as I think he's the best coach on the staff), but why not give Hazell a chance dig himself out of this. The season isn't going anywhere and fan interest is in a downward spiral regardless. What advantage do you see by firing him now as opposed to after the Indiana game? Do you think either of those guys has a legit shot to get the job? If Burke thinks were going a different direction, he has already started looking into outside candidates.
Would it change any of your opinions if we won our next two games in beating Nebraska and Illinois? While it's not likely, it isn't impossible.
I say Fleck to Ill. and hopefully we can get Toledo's Campbell.
What advantage do you see by NOT firing him? If you know you're going to fire him after the iu game, why wait? I don't know if Freeman has a legit shot or not, but what's the worse that could happen, lose out?
Does 1 or 2 more wins over other crappy B10 teams show improvement? I realize Nebraska is Nebraska but that's like saying Penn State is the old Penn State.
Then I fear next year may be the 1st year Purdue Football LOST money since the beginning of time. I do not see a program with the track record, trend and consistantly poor recruiting that Hazell has demonstrated these past 3 years will turn itself around. Saying that is very bitter to me.
It wont be Freeman, and if i were him, i wouldnt want my name attached to captaining this ship.
http://www.campusrush.com/al-golden-miami-usc-coaching-corousel-1423076703.html
Purdue
Status: 90% likely to open
Breakdown: The Darrell Hazell experiment simply isn't working. He's 5-26 overall and 1-18 in the Big Ten. There's not even a glimmer of hope here. Purdue has a few things going for it. It's in the Big Ten West, which coaches view as much easier to win. There's been a pinch of recent success under Joe Tiller in the early 2000s. And there's the recent announcement of $60 million in football facility upgrades, which will be done by August 2017. (One couldn't help think Purdue announced those facility upgrades last week as a message to attract Hazell's replacement.)
Illinois State coach Brock Spack was the defensive coordinator during Purdue's glory years under Tiller. He now has the Redbirds in the Top 5 of the FCS. They are 6-1 with their only loss is to Iowa. Hard to imagine a better fit.
Names: Brock Spack, Rod Carey, Brady Hoke, Jeff Brohm, Mike Sanford, Dino Babers, Ed Warinner, D.J. Durkin and Lincoln Riley.
Purdue
Status: 90% likely to open
Breakdown: The Darrell Hazell experiment simply isn't working. He's 5-26 overall and 1-18 in the Big Ten. There's not even a glimmer of hope here. Purdue has a few things going for it. It's in the Big Ten West, which coaches view as much easier to win. There's been a pinch of recent success under Joe Tiller in the early 2000s. And there's the recent announcement of $60 million in football facility upgrades, which will be done by August 2017. (One couldn't help think Purdue announced those facility upgrades last week as a message to attract Hazell's replacement.)
Illinois State coach Brock Spack was the defensive coordinator during Purdue's glory years under Tiller. He now has the Redbirds in the Top 5 of the FCS. They are 6-1 with their only loss is to Iowa. Hard to imagine a better fit.
Names: Brock Spack, Rod Carey, Brady Hoke, Jeff Brohm, Mike Sanford, Dino Babers, Ed Warinner, D.J. Durkin and Lincoln Riley.
Please not Brock Spack. He may be okay at a lower level school but not in the Big Ten. Also, agree that the facility upgrade announcement may have been made to help attract the next coach.
I'd be okay with anyone at this point as long as they get the program back to at least a respectable, middle of the pack program. Darrell Hazell has been a disaster, and I should've have known since the first play of being a coach at Purdue was a pick six.
Spack has built Ill.State into a powerhouse. He would do the same at Purdue by recruiting the Midwest.
If Spack can do the same here, then I'm fine with it. If he is going to suck Hazell nuts, then no.
Doesn't Spack have essentially the same FCS record as Hope?
I want either an OC from a high scoring major program (Riley) or a established coach of a second level MAC type school.
His record its 50+ wins compared 20+ on the lost side. Hope had won like 35 and lost 20+ when he got the job. The Missouri Valley conference is tougher to win in.
If a mid-season switch is made I prefer Johnson to take over since he has experience doing it before and I would like to see Malone run offense with Freeman taking over the defense.
Now we are fighting over a Missouri Valley Conference coach? Wow, things have gotten bad.
Eastern Kentucky was a proven winner under Roy Kidd. DH1 sort of maintained that but never won a playoff game.
ISU was more of a rebuild, and Stash did get them to the national championship game last year.
Spack wouldn't be a blow-em-away hire, but he would come in with a better resume than either DH.
ISU was more of a rebuild, and Stash did get them to the national championship game last year.
Spack wouldn't be a blow-em-away hire, but he would come in with a better resume than either DH.
Ours is a compound problem. We need to replace both and AD and HC. No decent HC will come with a lame duck AD.
Amen. This is the component that could end up saving Sister hazell's job, with mitch not wanting Burke to bungle yet another hire. But in my opinion, he would need to announce an AD search, like right now, to reassure the fan base that we are indeed taking steps to dig out of this mess, and it's not just more of the same old, conservative Purdue approach.
I honestly never thought about Brady Hoke coming to Purdue. He did step up recruiting big time at UM (although not sure how hard that truly is).
I wouldn't be upset at that hire at all and think he really matches well with the mentality at Purdue. Plus, I'm sure he would love to build a winner at Purdue to shove it in UM's faces.
I wouldn't be upset at that hire at all and think he really matches well with the mentality at Purdue. Plus, I'm sure he would love to build a winner at Purdue to shove it in UM's faces.
I think a lot of your concerns are not terribly valid.
First off, you're assuming the rest of the coaches are under multi-year contracts. I don't know that that's true.
Secondly, who becomes interim is pretty much not important given nobody from this staff will be remotely considered for the head coaching job. It's not like the interim coach needs to lead us to a bowl game. They need to function as a human being.
Third, "Add on time for players to get acclimated to a new coach/system?" Are you really using that as a reason not to fire Hazell? Will it be an overnight success story? Of course not. But most programs dealing with fired head coaches aren't in great shape in some sort of way.
You also cannot ignore the positives of Purdue. It's a large school with lots of resources university wide. The Big Ten is the richest conference in the country - when you look at AD budgets, the Big Ten is providing the biggest "baseline" funding of any conference that is not dependent on factors like ticket sales, etc. Not only is the Big Ten rich, but the success of the Big Ten Network is a huge plus. You play in the biggest stadiums in the country and on the biggest stage. The list goes on and on.
You also cannot ignore the positives of Purdue. It's a large school with lots of resources university wide. The Big Ten is the richest conference in the country - when you look at AD budgets, the Big Ten is providing the biggest "baseline" funding of any conference that is not dependent on factors like ticket sales, etc. Not only is the Big Ten rich, but the success of the Big Ten Network is a huge plus. You play in the biggest stadiums in the country and on the biggest stage. The list goes on and on.[/QUOTE]
Purdue does have some positives and should be able to get a decent coach. We play in the Big Ten West which is pretty open. We automatically have a chance to win some games. We are getting updates to our facilities which should help with eye candy. We have good academics.
Purdue does have some positives and should be able to get a decent coach. We play in the Big Ten West which is pretty open. We automatically have a chance to win some games. We are getting updates to our facilities which should help with eye candy. We have good academics.
Hoke seems like Colletto 2.0 to me...pass.
And I guarantee that hire is not going to excite the fan base either.
