ADVERTISEMENT

Less Is More

Feb 20, 2011
363
724
93
I really liked last year's team, and I really like the players we lost from it. RayDay was one of the toughest, truest Boilers we've seen. AJ was a defensive juggernaut. Hill was underrated and an important contributor, and Kendall was/is a good player who could catch fire from deep.

But one reason I like this year's team more is the fact that the rotation is clearer. It would seem counter-intuitive that fewer on-the-court contributors would mean better results, but that's exactly what we're seeing. That's because of two problems with last year's team:

1. Too many rotational players.

And...

2. Not enough separation between players' skill levels and skill sets.

It's possible to have a ten-man rotation, but even at the NBA level, where there're forty-eight minutes rather than forty, it's really difficult. But Coach Painter had ten guys last year who ranged from "pretty good" to "really good" players, and at different times they all made cases to be on the floor. In a perfect world, this would have led to waves of quality overwhelming our opponents, and there were times when that happened. But at other times, there was little to separate the guys, and what seemed to delineate one player from another was experience. Of course, experience matters, but you'd rather the deciding factor be, "This player is clearly better than this player in this situation because of this tangible reason."

That's what's happening this year.

I think Spike will carve out a role by year's end (and Basil will continue to show his worth when we need him to), but for now, the shorter rotation is really showcasing the construction of this team and the strengths of its respective players. As stated by many on here, the ND game was a rough matchup for Isaac, but as also stated by many on here, Isaac is an absolutely vital cog in our machine. He demonstrated that last night. He does what few in the NCAA can do. By staggering and sometimes overlapping his time with Biggie, Coach Painter is creating a two-headed monster that almost no other NCAA squad can replicate. Both are outstanding players; both are extremely tough to guard. Both represent problems for the opposing team, and the more they have to prepare for our bigs, the less they can prepare for our emerging guards.

By the way, how awesome has Biggie become? My favorite play last night was actually a foul he committed in the second half. A Hawkeye player drove hard baseline, and Biggie challenged him even harder. There was no hesitation by Caleb, no fear. The foul wasn't a bit dirty, but it was hard, and the message was clear: You're not going to punk us. Honestly, last year's team got punked a few times (at least one of those times by a Hawkeye team far superior to this year's Iowa squad).

Other than the first half of the Louisville game, no one is punking Purdue now.

The guards, too, are benefiting from the increased clarity in role definition. Carsen gives us the dynamic presence we lacked last year (and every year since Moore graduated). PJ, Dakota, and Cline are shooting the ball with confidence. This, I feel, is partially because there are four guards rather than six or seven.

Vince is becoming what we all know he can be. He knows he has to produce (hence the removal from the starting lineup), but he also knows he will stay in the game when he does produce. This isn't a criticism of Painter. It's just a byproduct of having a shorter, stronger rotation.

I'll finish this by saying that I really liked last year's team. They represented the university well, and at times were one of the best teams around. Twenty-seven wins are nothing to sneeze at, and I mean no disrespect to anyone on that team.

But right now, this group looks stronger. In my opinion, that's because sometimes less can be more.
 
I'd say we also got punked in the first half of ND game and the first 30 minutes against Georgia State.

I like our top 7 right now. Basil still scares me with the ball in his hands but has been good energy off the bench in a few games this year. I do wish we had one more quality big guy in our rotation though in case of injury and/or foul trouble. We have done well without spike because we had solid depth at the guard spots. Not sure we could handle it as well if Haas or Swanigan were out for a period of time.
 
I'd say we also got punked in the first half of ND game and the first 30 minutes against Georgia State.

I like our top 7 right now. Basil still scares me with the ball in his hands but has been good energy off the bench in a few games this year. I do wish we had one more quality big guy in our rotation though in case of injury and/or foul trouble. We have done well without spike because we had solid depth at the guard spots. Not sure we could handle it as well if Haas or Swanigan were out for a period of time.

Fair points, TC. I didn't see the first half of the ND game, nor did I see the GS game, so mine is an admittedly incomplete view.
 
Last year, 2 of your 5 starters were offensive liabilities. Davis had his moments but he was really inconsistent, same with Hill.
This year, we've got offensive threats at basically all 5 positions and that's made a huge difference.
 
Last year, 2 of your 5 starters were offensive liabilities. Davis had his moments but he was really inconsistent, same with Hill.
This year, we've got offensive threats at basically all 5 positions and that's made a huge difference.

I've got news for you. Not all 5 of this year's starters are consistent either.
 
I don't think figuring out the lineup was the main problem with last year's team. The biggest problem was it lack of guard plays and dribble penetration. We couldn't break a press if our lives depend on it.
This years team is better offensively because we do have guard plays with CE even though defensively we are not quite as good as last year currently.
I'm hoping for an elite 8 run and think Biggie will drafted late in the 1st round after finishing with 16 & 10 like I've said in the beginning of the year. I still think our biggest need with next year team will be a bruiser that can rebound, otherwise we will get out- rebounded on a pretty regular basis unfortunately.
 
I don't think figuring out the lineup was the main problem with last year's team. The biggest problem was it lack of guard plays and dribble penetration. We couldn't break a press if our lives depend on it.
This years team is better offensively because we do have guard plays with CE even though defensively we are not quite as good as last year currently.
I'm hoping for an elite 8 run and think Biggie will drafted late in the 1st round after finishing with 16 & 10 like I've said in the beginning of the year. I still think our biggest need with next year team will be a bruiser that can rebound, otherwise we will get out- rebounded on a pretty regular basis unfortunately.

Good thoughts. I don't mean to suggest that last year's rotation was the team's ONLY problem (indeed, it could just as easily be argued that the team's depth was a big strength). Just that the shorter rotation vs. the longer rotation has helped the personnel of this squad reach more of its potential sooner.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Zaphod_B
To me, a "deep bench" is overrated. I am no student of such, but when have you last seen an NCAA champ (or contender) go 10 deep? Read John Wooden's book They Call Me Coach and you can see that the coaching legend placed HUGE emphasis on the 6th man, mostly for energy and a spark. (Due to unplanned necessity, Vince may be just that for us. Imagine a bench player being better than most other teams' starters.) Coach Wooden also limited his bench to 2, maybe 3 reserves, which appears counter-intuitive since they pressed and fast-breaked more than is seen today. Of course, he placed high emphasis on conditioning, also. Point is, I totally agree with the post: 7 or 8 guys is superior to 10.



I really liked last year's team, and I really like the players we lost from it. RayDay was one of the toughest, truest Boilers we've seen. AJ was a defensive juggernaut. Hill was underrated and an important contributor, and Kendall was/is a good player who could catch fire from deep.

But one reason I like this year's team more is the fact that the rotation is clearer. It would seem counter-intuitive that fewer on-the-court contributors would mean better results, but that's exactly what we're seeing. That's because of two problems with last year's team:

1. Too many rotational players.

And...

2. Not enough separation between players' skill levels and skill sets.

It's possible to have a ten-man rotation, but even at the NBA level, where there're forty-eight minutes rather than forty, it's really difficult. But Coach Painter had ten guys last year who ranged from "pretty good" to "really good" players, and at different times they all made cases to be on the floor. In a perfect world, this would have led to waves of quality overwhelming our opponents, and there were times when that happened. But at other times, there was little to separate the guys, and what seemed to delineate one player from another was experience. Of course, experience matters, but you'd rather the deciding factor be, "This player is clearly better than this player in this situation because of this tangible reason."

That's what's happening this year.

I think Spike will carve out a role by year's end (and Basil will continue to show his worth when we need him to), but for now, the shorter rotation is really showcasing the construction of this team and the strengths of its respective players. As stated by many on here, the ND game was a rough matchup for Isaac, but as also stated by many on here, Isaac is an absolutely vital cog in our machine. He demonstrated that last night. He does what few in the NCAA can do. By staggering and sometimes overlapping his time with Biggie, Coach Painter is creating a two-headed monster that almost no other NCAA squad can replicate. Both are outstanding players; both are extremely tough to guard. Both represent problems for the opposing team, and the more they have to prepare for our bigs, the less they can prepare for our emerging guards.

By the way, how awesome has Biggie become? My favorite play last night was actually a foul he committed in the second half. A Hawkeye player drove hard baseline, and Biggie challenged him even harder. There was no hesitation by Caleb, no fear. The foul wasn't a bit dirty, but it was hard, and the message was clear: You're not going to punk us. Honestly, last year's team got punked a few times (at least one of those times by a Hawkeye team far superior to this year's Iowa squad).

Other than the first half of the Louisville game, no one is punking Purdue now.

The guards, too, are benefiting from the increased clarity in role definition. Carsen gives us the dynamic presence we lacked last year (and every year since Moore graduated). PJ, Dakota, and Cline are shooting the ball with confidence. This, I feel, is partially because there are four guards rather than six or seven.

Vince is becoming what we all know he can be. He knows he has to produce (hence the removal from the starting lineup), but he also knows he will stay in the game when he does produce. This isn't a criticism of Painter. It's just a byproduct of having a shorter, stronger rotation.

I'll finish this by saying that I really liked last year's team. They represented the university well, and at times were one of the best teams around. Twenty-seven wins are nothing to sneeze at, and I mean no disrespect to anyone on that team.

But right now, this group looks stronger. In my opinion, that's because sometimes less can be more.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dakota Girl
To me, a "deep bench" is overrated. I am no student of such, but when have you last seen an NCAA champ (or contender) go 10 deep? Read John Wooden's book They Call Me Coach and you can see that the coaching legend placed HUGE emphasis on the 6th man, mostly for energy and a spark. (Due to unplanned necessity, Vince may be just that for us. Imagine a bench player being better than most other teams' starters.) Coach Wooden also limited his bench to 2, maybe 3 reserves, which appears counter-intuitive since they pressed and fast-breaked more than is seen today. Of course, he placed high emphasis on conditioning, also. Point is, I totally agree with the post: 7 or 8 guys is superior to 10.
Admittedly it was a rarity, but just two years ago UK actually platooned 10 players regularly on their way to a nearly undefeated season.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JohnHoosierr
ADVERTISEMENT

Latest posts

ADVERTISEMENT