Kendall Transferring

[djy2j]

So 2005-2007 were some high turnover years. It settled for a bit and then picked up about in 2012. Interesting.

 

[Poprudy]

Difference is...being kicked off a team and being kicked out of a program. What players happen to be from an over-sign situation? Programs like IU recruit to over sign...then kick the 3* out to dry. This does not happen at Purdue...because we can't afford to recruit that way.

 

[purdue4sure]

So 2005-2007 were some high turnover years. It settled for a bit and then picked up about in 2012. Interesting.

You act as if you know very little about the recent history of Purdue basketball.

 

[Born Boiler]

It's really easy to skew numbers in a way to tell the story you want to tell. Purdue fans know PJ is what he is, a backup Bi10 point guard at best. He doesn't have the quickness to compete with most other B10 PGs. I like the guy, I think he can provide a lot off the bench, but he isn't starting material.

Edwards is a 4 star now and by all accounts is really looking like a steal for Purdue. After the season he had just now, he's been gaining a lot of hype and moving up the rankings. Props to Painter for recognizing that talent before others did.

Lastly with regards to Kendall Stephens, what his star rankings was 3 years ago is completely irrelevant once you've been in the league for 3 years. I wish him nothing but the best, but if he played like a 4 star player he wouldn't be in this situation.

It's easy to say numbers are skewed when you have no numbers to counter them.

Facts are facts, and P.J.'s 49-percent shooting from three and 4.1 assist-turnover-ratio are the facts of his performance this year against Big Ten opponents. He, in fact, ranked near or at the top of the Big Ten Conference in those categories. But you can't handle the ball or shoot from three enough when you're forced to spend nearly half of each game on the bench.

A freshman, especially when developing in a new position, rarely proves to be as valuable as an established senior, even one who's been shattered by his coach. Ideally, though, you'd have both and, more importantly, find use for both.

Lastly, if you were at the Co-Rec picking teams, who would you take first -- Stephens, Mathias or Cline? I sure wouldn't let the one with the better size, quickness and play-makiing ability walk out the door.

 

[lbodel]

Recruiting, keeping and developing PG's has been a huge weakness in the CMP era. Hopefully that starts to turn around with Edwards next year but I don't honestly know how much better a freshman Edwards will be vs. a junior PJ, if any better at all.

I think this is a rather dangerous/blanket statement. Lewis Jackson excelled.

 

[Dryfly88]

It's easy to say numbers are skewed when you have no numbers to counter them.

Facts are facts, and P.J.'s 49-percent shooting from three and 4.1 assist-turnover-ratio are the facts of his performance this year against Big Ten opponents. He, in fact, ranked near or at the top of the Big Ten Conference in those categories. But you can't handle the ball or shoot from three enough when you're forced to spend nearly half of each game on the bench.

A freshman, especially when developing in a new position, rarely proves to be as valuable as an established senior, even one who's been shattered by his coach. Ideally, though, you'd have both and, more importantly, find use for both.

Lastly, if you were at the Co-Rec picking teams, who would you take first -- Stephens, Mathias or Cline? I sure wouldn't let the one with the better size, quickness and play-makiing ability walk out the door.

Ok, I'll bite (even though it has absolutely 0 relevance)...... I would take Mathias every day of the week. He just makes your team better, not even close at this point.

 

[lbodel]

Thanks for the list and years! I was looking for years but it becoming tedious.

This is dumb.

Having 3 freshmen transfer that played decent roles as freshmen - that's a red flag (Ohio State).

Having a freshman who redshirted that was probably going to play, at best, limited minutes as an upperclassman transfer - not a red flag. Having a junior who was basically 3rd on the depth chart transfer - not a red flag.

Not to mention the ridiculousness of transfers these days all over.

In addition, Purdue's depth was not going to be sustainable. We basically had 11 players who could play solid minutes - that's not normal. At all.

 

[djy2j]

You act as if you know very little about the recent history of Purdue basketball.

That's because you're looking for every possible reason to call me a dumbass rather than just having a discussion with someone who has an opinion different than yours.

I am not great at remembering what year certain players transferred out in. Just saw a pattern and thought it was interesting. Is this a Purdue discussion board or a big swinging dick contest? Im new here so let me know where i can have discussions about Purdue w o being personally attacked.

 

[Dakota Girl]

G'ma's don't have nuts ...

I Don't know...she might have grandpa's in her purse.

 

[Dakota Girl]

It's easy to say numbers are skewed when you have no numbers to counter them.

Facts are facts, and P.J.'s 49-percent shooting from three and 4.1 assist-turnover-ratio are the facts of his performance this year against Big Ten opponents. He, in fact, ranked near or at the top of the Big Ten Conference in those categories. But you can't handle the ball or shoot from three enough when you're forced to spend nearly half of each game on the bench.

A freshman, especially when developing in a new position, rarely proves to be as valuable as an established senior, even one who's been shattered by his coach. Ideally, though, you'd have both and, more importantly, find use for both.

Lastly, if you were at the Co-Rec picking teams, who would you take first -- Stephens, Mathias or Cline? I sure wouldn't let the one with the better size, quickness and play-makiing ability walk out the door.

....using the co-rec as a comparison to high major D1 anything is not a solid argument. There is so much more going on just in a game than the stats you used. Much less what happens in practice that impacts heavily who plays. You don't know. Neither do I. Yet your position is that the head coach wants to "shatter" the best player and only senior the next year. To what end?

 

[purdue4sure]

That's because you're looking for every possible reason to call me a dumbass rather than just having a discussion with someone who has an opinion different than yours.

I am not great at remembering what year certain players transferred out in. Just saw a pattern and thought it was interesting. Is this a Purdue discussion board or a big swinging dick contest? Im new here so let me know where i can have discussions about Purdue w o being personally attacked.

I wasn't referring to the number of transfers or to the dates. I was referring to the reasons. If you look at the environment when the early transfers took place, who the players were, their reasons for leaving, etc., you might understand that not all transfers are the same. And you wouldn't call it a pattern. Trying to equate player turnover during MP's early years at Purdue to the current year by simply looking at the numbers suggests that you don't follow very closely. And I don't call people here "dumbasses". I understand that you are new to the board. You were drawing general conclusions about players leaving the program that were not based on the facts. Again, it seemed clear that you haven't followed these events closely.

Of course you can post your opinion. But maybe you should not be so sensitive and feel "attacked" when someone challenges your opinion with a question about how closely you follow the topic.

 

[Do Dah Day]

That's because you're looking for every possible reason to call me a dumbass rather than just having a discussion with someone who has an opinion different than yours.

I am not great at remembering what year certain players transferred out in. Just saw a pattern and thought it was interesting. Is this a Purdue discussion board or a big swinging dick contest? Im new here so let me know where i can have discussions about Purdue w o being personally attacked.

You may be new, but you have nailed an innate aspect of this board. There are several who depend on belittling and demeaning all who disagree with them ... it's the only way they can feel good about themselves. I came here expecting a great place to discuss PU basketball ... NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! I doubt I stay much longer.

 

[Do Dah Day]

I Don't know...she might have grandpa's in her purse.

Ha - could be .... that has serious implications though.

 

[dwhitebash11]

I think this is a rather dangerous/blanket statement. Lewis Jackson excelled.

It's not fair to compare LewJack to Carsen Edwards at this point. For the biggest, most obvious reason, LewJack came in his freshmen year with the likes of Kramer, Moore, Hummel, and JJ. Not a bad group of guys to make your life easier, arguably a top 5 team in Purdue history. LewJack didn't have to score. It was a perfect storm. He was quicker than everybody on the court on any given day, and if he could get penetration a handful of times a game by beating his defender, not turn the ball over, and play solid defense on the ball, the rest of the guys would do the rest.


Carsen is going to be playing with some very good players, but also playing with a team that lost its' primary offensive and defensive player, and also RD. Sure he gets VE, Haas, Swanigan, and some very good role players in Cline, Mathias, Smotherman. But he's basically being appointed as PUs savior to some people here. He has a great skill set, quick, very good offensive player in high school, but again, fans are going to expect a lot out of him based on last year with the problem we had against the press and closing games.

 

[tjreese]

Ok, I'll bite (even though it has absolutely 0 relevance)...... I would take Mathias every day of the week. He just makes your team better, not even close at this point.

I'm curling around with my inside foot already turning inward and hands open giving a target and it is Dakota that gets me the ball on time and in the shooting pocket. I work harder when I know I'll see the ball if open...

 

[Chuchumutha]

It's easy to say numbers are skewed when you have no numbers to counter them.

Facts are facts, and P.J.'s 49-percent shooting from three and 4.1 assist-turnover-ratio are the facts of his performance this year against Big Ten opponents. He, in fact, ranked near or at the top of the Big Ten Conference in those categories. But you can't handle the ball or shoot from three enough when you're forced to spend nearly half of each game on the bench.

A freshman, especially when developing in a new position, rarely proves to be as valuable as an established senior, even one who's been shattered by his coach. Ideally, though, you'd have both and, more importantly, find use for both.

Lastly, if you were at the Co-Rec picking teams, who would you take first -- Stephens, Mathias or Cline? I sure wouldn't let the one with the better size, quickness and play-makiing ability walk out the door.

Is this a keeper league? If so, I'll take Cline.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

It's easy to say numbers are skewed when you have no numbers to counter them.

Facts are facts, and P.J.'s 49-percent shooting from three and 4.1 assist-turnover-ratio are the facts of his performance this year against Big Ten opponents. He, in fact, ranked near or at the top of the Big Ten Conference in those categories. But you can't handle the ball or shoot from three enough when you're forced to spend nearly half of each game on the bench.

A freshman, especially when developing in a new position, rarely proves to be as valuable as an established senior, even one who's been shattered by his coach. Ideally, though, you'd have both and, more importantly, find use for both.

Lastly, if you were at the Co-Rec picking teams, who would you take first -- Stephens, Mathias or Cline? I sure wouldn't let the one with the better size, quickness and play-makiing ability walk out the door.

Perhaps, Stephens would be best in the Co-Rec, but there isn't much pressure in the Co-Rec. In a pressure situation I'll take Mathias.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

You may be new, but you have nailed an innate aspect of this board. There are several who depend on belittling and demeaning all who disagree with them ... it's the only way they can feel good about themselves. I came here expecting a great place to discuss PU basketball ... NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! I doubt I stay much longer.

I hope you stay. You have added a lot to this board since you showed up recently. There have been a lot of petty exchanges since the Little Rock game, but it will get better the further we get from that game. There are a lot of posters here who should be ignored, but there are also some good posters here who have a lot of insight.

 

[Do Dah Day]

I hope you stay. You have added a lot to this board since you showed up recently. There have been a lot of petty exchanges since the Little Rock game, but it will get better the further we get from that game. There are a lot of posters here who should be ignored, but there are also some good posters here who have a lot of insight.

Thank you, I appreciate that. As the weather improves, I have better ways to spend my time. Grandkids soccer, trips to national parks, mowing the yard, LOL. I see little point in trying to discuss experiences, or the things I've learned in over 40 years hanging around some damn smart basketball minds so that I can get called moron or idiot if I don't kiss the asses of those who need to attack others so they can feel smart. I can watch Nancy Grace if I want drama in my life. I have a T-shirt that says "You can't fix stupid." I thought it was just funny until I spent some time here. Now I know it's true.

I enjoy sports and coaching and strategy and recruiting and talent evaluation. I'd LOVE to spend time discussing these things with others who share my enjoyment. ... I don't enjoy being called stupid by someone who's eyes are better than a coach making $2mill, or even my eyes. Basketball is not a black and white game. There is room for many different thoughts. It is fast paced and the cliche' we all laugh about - "Oh NO! ... Oh, great shot" is so true.

I am from the generation that grew up with respecting others as a core trait. Unfortunately, I have not adapted to the lack of respect that is prevalent today. Just who I am.

The maturity level of most threads reaches 7th grade level within 5 posts. Just not high on my list of ways to spend my time.

 

[cprh9u]

I think this is a rather dangerous/blanket statement. Lewis Jackson excelled.

LJ was solid. I don't know about excelled. Burke excelled for UM. Jordan excelled for Wisky. Lew Jack was solid, but not special. And if LJ's your best and only argument for 11 years of Painter and PG's, I think that proves my point.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Thank you, I appreciate that. As the weather improves, I have better ways to spend my time. Grandkids soccer, trips to national parks, mowing the yard, LOL. I see little point in trying to discuss experiences, or the things I've learned in over 40 years hanging around some damn smart basketball minds so that I can get called moron or idiot if you don't kiss the asses of those who need to attack others so they can feel smart. I can watch Nancy Grace if I want drama in my life. I have a T-shirt that says "You can't fix stupid." I thought it was just funny until I spent some time here. Now I know it's true.

I enjoy sports and coaching and strategy and recruiting and talent evaluation. I'd LOVE to spend time discussing these things with others who share my enjoyment. ... I don't enjoy being called stupid by someone who's eyes are better than a coach making $2mill, or even my eyes. Basketball is not a black and white game. There is room for many different thoughts. It is fast paced and the cliche' we all laugh about - "Oh NO! ... Oh, great shot" is so true.

I am from the generation that grew up with respecting others as a core trait. Unfortunately, I have not adapted to the lack of respect that is prevalent today. Just who I am.

The maturity level of most threads reaches 7th grade level within 5 posts. Just not high on my list of ways to spend my time.

I can't argue with prioritizing family and trips.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

BIG difference in players wanting to go elsewhere for more playing time and a Coach pushing a player out for a scholarship to get someone else. Walk-ons rewarded with a scholarship is usually just for a year also! Today's kids want to play, can't blame them for that, and if it is clear that one or two players ahead are just better all around I would never set blame on a Coach if that player leaves!

 

[purdue4sure]

BIG difference in players wanting to go elsewhere for more playing time and a Coach pushing a player out for a scholarship to get someone else. Walk-ons rewarded with a scholarship is usually just for a year also! Today's kids want to play, can't blame them for that, and if it is clear that one or two players ahead are just better all around I would never set blame on a Coach if that player leaves!

Yes, players choosing is different than coaches forcing them out to stay under the scholarship limit after over-recruiting. And there are a few cases where a player chooses to repeatedly break team and school rules. There haven't been many of those, because Purdue coaches have always paid attention to character. But every once in a while a good player is brought in who chooses not to behave like he is part of a team. Interesting thing is, for many of them they continue making bad choices and don't last long at their new school.

 

[FiveWeight]

Wow, disappointed to hear about KS. Was really looking forward to seeing what he could do next year. He developed into a decent all-around player and just seemed to be one facet away from being a major starter/impact player - he needs to work on his shooting wherever he goes but seems to have the form and mentality to hit a lot of 3's if he were to focus on shooting. Maybe he focused on too many other areas to the detriment of shooting but he developed his passing and defense. If he practiced his shot and worked on limiting the "bad" 3's in the off-season, he could improve a few % and be a really solid all-around player. I was assuming this was the plan because it seemed obvious, and was looking forward to seeing the results next season. Good luck Kendall - hope you reconsider. Not often that a coach gives a player that option to return so it seems Painter is understanding about his situation but wants him to come back. Unlike some of the other transfers, I'll be really disappointed if he goes elsewhere.

 

[Dan'l Boone]

If you don't forsee Mathias or Ryan Cline being a regular starter at the 2, Vince Edwards would be a better option there than Smotherman right now. Maybe Basil has greatly improved in his RS year, but going off of past data and viewing experience, Vince is the better choice right now. Really any of Carsen Edwards, P.J. Thompson, DM, RC, or VE are possibilities at that spot. There's room for other backcourt additions as well.

Maybe BS has greatly improved over the past year and that would be a contributing factor. At the very least, Basil brings energy and emotion the team this year was sorely lacking. Haas and Smotherman are the only two players on our team that seem to be constantly pumped up and are having fun. We need more of that.

 

[Dakota Girl]

Thank you, I appreciate that. As the weather improves, I have better ways to spend my time. Grandkids soccer, trips to national parks, mowing the yard, LOL. I see little point in trying to discuss experiences, or the things I've learned in over 40 years hanging around some damn smart basketball minds so that I can get called moron or idiot if I don't kiss the asses of those who need to attack others so they can feel smart. I can watch Nancy Grace if I want drama in my life. I have a T-shirt that says "You can't fix stupid." I thought it was just funny until I spent some time here. Now I know it's true.

I enjoy sports and coaching and strategy and recruiting and talent evaluation. I'd LOVE to spend time discussing these things with others who share my enjoyment. ... I don't enjoy being called stupid by someone who's eyes are better than a coach making $2mill, or even my eyes. Basketball is not a black and white game. There is room for many different thoughts. It is fast paced and the cliche' we all laugh about - "Oh NO! ... Oh, great shot" is so true.

I am from the generation that grew up with respecting others as a core trait. Unfortunately, I have not adapted to the lack of respect that is prevalent today. Just who I am.

The maturity level of most threads reaches 7th grade level within 5 posts. Just not high on my list of ways to spend my time.

The anonymity of doing anything on line also contributes to this lack of respectful behavior. Most of the rudest posters, if sitting across a table from you, would not speak the same way they post.
An unfortunate flaw in the Internet, and in people. I have no problem pointing it out if someone says something foolish to me, but I will not do so by calling them a fool. It's not necessary. It's usually pretty clear.
I hope I'm not one of the disrespectful people. This post would look really foolish.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Ha - could be .... that has serious implications though.

 

[Do Dah Day]

The anonymity of doing anything on line also contributes to this lack of respectful behavior. Most of the rudest posters, if sitting across a table from you, would not speak the same way they post.
An unfortunate flaw in the Internet, and in people. I have no problem pointing it out if someone says something foolish to me, but I will not do so by calling them a fool. It's not necessary. It's usually pretty clear.
I hope I'm not one of the disrespectful people. This post would look really foolish.

Oh far, far from it. You are one of the four or five posters that I always read when I see you post.

 

[Dryfly88]

Oh far, far from it. You are one of the four or five posters that I always read when I see you post.

Agree, I enjoy reading her perspective.

I belong to some other special interest message boards (triathlon,Old Ford Trucks) I know weird combination! It is the same on those boards. Some very interesting people that can have a discussion without it going south, and then there are those that as soon as you see the author of the post you know it's going sideways. I'm afraid it is just the way internet communication is. On the one hand you have a plethora of information that we could have only dreamed of when we were younger, on the other is the anonymity and the boldness that comes with it. On balance I like it because I can have conversations and information sharing that otherwise would be impossible. I just wish it could be more positive and a lot less derogatory.

 

[PaBoiler78]

Maybe BS has greatly improved over the past year and that would be a contributing factor. At the very least, Basil brings energy and emotion the team this year was sorely lacking. Haas and Smotherman are the only two players on our team that seem to be constantly pumped up and are having fun. We need more of that.

yes, this is one thing I agree with, we have a real low energy type team.

 

[Dakota Girl]

Oh far, far from it. You are one of the four or five posters that I always read when I see you post.

Appreciated and likewise. Which is why I hope you do not disappear.

 

[tjreese]

Agree, I enjoy reading her perspective.

I belong to some other special interest message boards (triathlon,Old Ford Trucks) I know weird combination! It is the same on those boards. Some very interesting people that can have a discussion without it going south, and then there are those that as soon as you see the author of the post you know it's going sideways. I'm afraid it is just the way internet communication is. On the one hand you have a plethora of information that we could have only dreamed of when we were younger, on the other is the anonymity and the boldness that comes with it. On balance I like it because I can have conversations and information sharing that otherwise would be impossible. I just wish it could be more positive and a lot less derogatory.

I started out a few decades ago with a handful of Purdue and IU people in the very early stages of the Indystar forum. Later that evolved to a site for IU by Mike Peegram. Brad Jewell and Bob Richards started the Purdue Mrhoops site. Mike sold out to Rivals and Bob wanted to keep the entire MrHoops site free and so GBI started around the same time as Mike sold out to rivals. When it was smaller it was much better because there was honest dialog, but as it grew so did the tails of the distribution. I quit posting for a few years and had to start over....hence my low count in comparison to my years. Additionally, I was a daily poster in a national education forum years ago and for the most part it was significantly more civil, but somewhat too sensitive. Anyway, as stated above most would not type what they do if talking in person.

The other thing is that the net makes it difficult to explain in detail without typing a LOT on some subjects and so the thoughts get misconstrued from time to time. Most everyone wants the same things...some like the rest of life have more insight than others. People sometimes appear to have formed an opinion due to Osmosis..

It's all good...

 

[Do Dah Day]

I started out a few decades ago with a handful of Purdue and IU people in the very early stages of the Indystar forum. Later that evolved to a site for IU by Mike Peegram. Brad Jewell and Bob Richards started the Purdue Mrhoops site. Mike sold out to Rivals and Bob wanted to keep the entire MrHoops site free and so GBI started around the same time as Mike sold out to rivals. When it was smaller it was much better because there was honest dialog, but as it grew so did the tails of the distribution. I quit posting for a few years and had to start over....hence my low count in comparison to my years. Additionally, I was a daily poster in a national education forum years ago and for the most part it was significantly more civil, but somewhat too sensitive. Anyway, as stated above most would not type what they do if talking in person.

The other thing is that the net makes it difficult to explain in detail without typing a LOT on some subjects and so the thoughts get misconstrued from time to time. Most everyone wants the same things...some like the rest of life have more insight than others. People sometimes appear to have formed an opinion due to Osmosis..

It's all good...

Yes, this is all true and well-said .... other than perhaps "it's ALL good." I'm not sure it is ALL good. When I start wanting to act immature and petty in retaliation, it's time to take a walk, or a drive, or a flight.

 

[toddbrewster]

There was a problem with our team that I was very passionate about. However, to drive home my argument and "win" against posters who opposed, I had to put down two people associated with the team. I did not. I find it disgusting when posters put down our players or coaches unless they build that person up and suggest that they also try.... I am a big guy and I don't get upset when posters put me down. I realize they would wet their pants if another poster ever confronted them in person.

 

[Summy1]

Damn, you guys still posting about this?

 

[BoilerFan#35]

Kendall's mom has been tweeting on the situation. His main reason that he may leave is because of playing time. He wants to play a lot of minutes his last season of college basketball. He thinks it will help him develop and also hopefully get a pro contract.

 

[StateStreet123]

Kendall's mom has been tweeting on the situation. His main reason that he may leave is because of playing time. He wants to play a lot of minutes his last season of college basketball. He thinks it will help him develop and also hopefully get a pro contract.

Kendall did not attend the team post-season banquet this evening. I wish him nothing but the best.

 

[BoilerFan#35]

Kendall did not attend the team post-season banquet this evening. I wish him nothing but the best.

Just wondering, do you know if Weatherford was there? Kendall had to of been so dissapointed how the season went for him. It seems more and more like Purdue may not be the best place for him next season. I wish that wasn't the case though.

 

[Cleanface]

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

The purge continues. Will we ever have an off-season w/o multiple transfers under Painter? Not mad about Kendall leaving. His head has been screwed up since he lost his friend. Just looks bad on the program to have multiple guys leaving every off-season.

I believe last year there was only one transfer, so by your definition that was an off-season that didn't involve multiple guys leaving.

So does it look bad to MSU since they have two guys leaving? What about Duke or any other school that has guys leave when they figure out the school/coach isn't a fit for them? This is an issue only because people are making it an issue because they WANT to make it an issue.