This. PJ was a PG in high school and now 2 years in the B1G. Like Bryson Scott before him, this will be an adjustment year for Edwards.
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This. PJ was a PG in high school and now 2 years in the B1G. Like Bryson Scott before him, this will be an adjustment year for Edwards.
A four-star, 6-foot-6 senior-to-be walks out the door, and we have people here pointing to a three-star, 6-2 freshman as the answer.
As for P.J., he officially ranked fifth in the Big Ten this season in 3-point shooting percentage (.468) and was just five assists short of officially leading the Big Ten in assist-to-turnover ratio (4.1), so he's not only the best guard at Purdue, he actually ranks among the best in the league.
As for P.J., he officially ranked fifth in the Big Ten this season in 3-point shooting percentage (.468) and was just five assists short of officially leading the Big Ten in assist-to-turnover ratio (4.1), so he's not only the best guard at Purdue, he actually ranks among the best in the league.
It's really easy to skew numbers in a way to tell the story you want to tell. Purdue fans know PJ is what he is, a backup Bi10 point guard at best. He doesn't have the quickness to compete with most other B10 PGs. I like the guy, I think he can provide a lot off the bench, but he isn't starting material.
Edwards is a 4 star now and by all accounts is really looking like a steal for Purdue. After the season he had just now, he's been gaining a lot of hype and moving up the rankings. Props to Painter for recognizing that talent before others did.
Lastly with regards to Kendall Stephens, what his star rankings was 3 years ago is completely irrelevant once you've been in the league for 3 years. I wish him nothing but the best, but if he played like a 4 star player he wouldn't be in this situation.
I don't disagree with anything you've said, except you are also skewing the numbers. Edwards' ratings have been climbing, but not because of his dominating PG skills. I love his potential as an impact player, but to expect him to step into the starting role as a Big Ten PG may be expectations that are too high.
Those numbers say one thing, but he is not amongst the best PG's in the league. If this was football he would be a "game manager" at QB who won't win or lose you the game. That's fine for a backup, but teams rarely advance in March with a game manager as the starting PG.
I think the team would be better if we had a creator at the point guard spot and PJ backing him up as needed but PJ isn't a terrible option like some here are making him out to be. He made a quantum leap from year 1 to year 2. Hopefully he makes another big jump this offseason and learns how to use screens to create offense. It doesn't have to be him beating someone off the dribble.
he had to be forced to shoot
low turnovers because he never forced anything
maybe his lack of aggressiveness was painter's design but purdue will never thrive with that style. they will beat the bottom feeders not the big boys
Like you have the insight to make a comment like that. Purdue beat a couple of big boys this season so as usual, you wannabe coaches haven't the first drop of basketball knowledge. Just go back to your wii u where you belong.
Nothing against Kendall personally. BUT why are you posters so fascinated with this kid? All he did on offense was shoot NBA 3pters (which I never GOT why he shot from NBA 3) and once in awhile hit several as he was a streaky shooter. He never developed an offensive floor game. I thank him for getting that off rebound off the missed FT late against Penn St 2 years ago hitting the 3 which lead to winning in OT. On the other hand. I remember Kendall launching questionable shots all over the place whenever a team went to zone against Purdue.
After the Little Rock loss Matt Painter told the Indy Star's Doyle that the team needed more playmakers to the shock of no Purdue fan. So isn't this what Matt is doing? Weatherford was not an answer at PG. He is now transferred. Kendall is likely gone and Purdue already has 2 players in front of Kendall in Mathias and Cline. Purdue needs playmaking ball handler's. Not what Kendall does. We shall see who Painter brings in to replace these transferred players.
What a stupid post. I mean it's not like it isn't happening all over at multiple schools right now.
I don't disagree with your assessment with his game. I don't see that I'm fascinated with him at all. I'm discussing him because he's leaving the team...maybe... in a somewhat odd circumstance.
I'm curious (and have spent time pondering this question), do you see him playing with PJ ... and I know, that means neither Mathias or Cline are in the game ... or maybe a better question, how would we play with Mathias and C. Edwards in the game ... as they probably will be for extended minutes. Is there a shared ball-handling role????
This actually looks good for Painter with the better players. If someone does not fit the needs, then get someone who does. And NO, not Creaning, but forthrightness .... never pull a scholarship, but make it clear to the highly rated players that we are recruiting that we are a program that want to surround them with players that will take them to the top.
I hope Kendall comes back. He has teammates that are like a family. He has so much potential. He knows the system. Everette is one of my very favorite Boilers of all time. Would love to see Kendall work to be a better defender and work on his efficiency as a 3 point shooter. He has improved through his three years - this year he worked on a nifty drive to the basket. Good luck in your decision, Kendall!
Stupid post really? Stupid to post that you assume I'm oblivious to what's going on with other programs in terms of transferring. If you think having multiple transfers every off-season won't hurt a program like this after too long then I guess it must give you great comfort having your head in the sand. It's not the end of the world to have these 2 guys transfer given their roles on the team but remember that Kendall's dad is a Purdue alum. It's starting to trend that guys are leaving before their Senior seasons and having high turnover leaving only 1 or 2 Seniors every season isn't going to give us the leadership the team has sorely needed over the past few years.
No leadership equals what happened in the tournament the last 2 seasons. So, sorry. I'm not going to sit here and pretend like everything is OK. I want leaders and I want guys who know what it takes to win. This program struggles with that currently. Hard to ask your Sophomores every year to be team leaders.
You asked if this trend of losing players to transfer each year will continue, The simple answer is yes as it will at the great majority of P5 schools. It's just the world of college basketball we live in now. Also, you mention above that this phenomena leaves a void in leadership and that directly contributed to our flame outs in the tourney. However, this season we had 3 four year seniors on the roster, one of which was widely considered the best leader we've had at Purdue since Zo Martin. How'd that work out? I'll let Painter lead if he can find some players that can handle the ball when pressured.
Actually, I think that if Kendall leaves it makes it easier for the current sophomores to step up and be the leaders. I really haven't seen much from Kendall to make me believe that he is a leader. I see more leadership qualities in the four players who will be juniors next season.
I also see no indication that Stephens is being forced out and forcing him out would make no sense from a scholarship perspective. As I see it, Painter is bending over backward to do what's best for Stephens and I can't see how that could hurt recruiting.
By the way, when is the last time that Purdue has had two players transfer in a season? I can't think of anyone last season. Two years ago I can only remember Scott and the year before I can only remember RJ.
I love Raphael and what he brought to the team. He wasn't really a typical leader though. He was literally thrust into the position by default. He was a leader in terms of hard work and practice but he wasn't vocal. Especially not on the court. Again, not knocking Davis he was one of the great defenders we'll see at Purdue but he's a night and day difference from Cuonzo in terms of leadership.
Right. I don't think that transfers in 2013 will have any impact on recruiting in 2016.
Partially agree. BS will backup VE and CS. Mathias and Cline will man the two spot. I don't see VE guarding a 2.
You can live with PJ's style at the point if you have the creator at the 2 but we don't seem to have that either. Who will it be?
At this moment, it about has to be Vinnie when he's at the 3. Mathias is a coach's son and Cline is a bright man ... I suspect they will be working on this, especially based on CMP's comments that defined his needs. I also suspect C. Edwards has read those same comments. Now ... drumroll please ...will any of them get "there?" And will Swanni move away from the basket more and get quicker, but not travelling quick, feet.
It will be a summer of discovery ... or perhaps a fall/winter of discovery.
Don't forget what lies behind doors #1 #2 and #3!
Expect some new faces in addition to CE this fall.
KaBINGO
And I go out on a limb to surmise that the word "playmaker" will be on their scouting report.
Great questions. I think the real key will be about his ball handling and whether he can bring the ball up under pressure. If he can, it would be fun to see him paired with PJ sometimes and paired with Mathias other times.
Where is there any intelligence in posting "The purge continues"?
But how much of his efficiency is related to having really good people around him leaving him open for wide open three pointers, as opposed to creating his own offense. His usage rating is not high, he doesn't create a lot of good assist, he isn't as good as his numbers appear. His numbers are efficent, but not necessarily good.
Please list the multiple transfers each year. And then when you can't, please acknowledge this on the bard.
Not all in sequential order:
Stephens, Weatherford, Hale, Lawson,Marcius, Scott, A.Johnson, R. Johnson, Barlow.
Those are the most recent. Others in the Painter era:
Lutz, Uchendu, Spates, Minnoy, Vandervieren, Martin, Hart, Watt, Bade (kinda)
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Acknowledge this ...
Painter Transfers / Castaways
Grant Weatherford 2016
Kendall Stephens 2016
Bryson Scott 2015
Ronnie Johnson 2014
Donnie Hale 2013
Sandi Marcius 2013
Jacob Lawson 2013
Anthony Johnson 2013
Kelsey Barlow 2012
John Hart 2012
Patrick Bade 2011
Scott Martin 2008
Gordon Watt 2007
Chris Lutz 2007
Johnathan Uchendu 2007
Dan Vandervieren 2007
Nate Minnoy 2006
Geno Parker 2006
Korey Spates 2006
Adam Liddell 2005
Ije Nwankwo 2005
Xavier Price 2005
It sure isn't. Good thing someone here has those next level division skills. Tranfers have been increasing over the past few years. We can pretend they haven't. They have. You can say other teams have the same problems. They do. If you think roster turnover each year is the answer then there's this team that plays one state south of you that you will absolutely LOVE!
Me, I like consistency when it comes to rosters. We've lacked player leadership over the last few years so I don't like seeing transfers and I get tired of being labeled "young" every year.
Transfers hurt this program because Painter isn't a powerhouse in the recruiting department. You don't have to agree.
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