IU or Purdue: who will end up with the better 17' class?

[Boilerkid18]

Since it's still early, this will all be speculation and fun. (No arguments please.) Both IU and Purdue currently have two commits outside the top 100 (with the exception of Justin Smith- hovering in the 80-100 range on recruiting sites for IU). However, both programs have players with a lot of potential impact for the future... Tell me what you think.

 

[dwhitebash11]

IU will have the better "rankings", but Purdue, like always, will end up on the better side.

 

[BoilerInChiTown]

IU cus they had better recent NCAA successes and Butler too for the same reason.

 

[tjreese]

Since it's still early, this will all be speculation and fun. (No arguments please.) Both IU and Purdue currently have two commits outside the top 100 (with the exception of Justin Smith- hovering in the 80-100 range on recruiting sites for IU). However, both programs have players with a lot of potential impact for the future... Tell me what you think.

I really don't know. Is the 24th rated player better than the 71 st rated player when it is all said and done? I'll know when I actually see the players play...two different styles...two different needs. Purdue has two with what seems to be players that all think have a good upside and appear to have really good heads. It is reasonable to assume that both (a 5 and 3) will in fact improve and be valuable down the road.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Since it's still early, this will all be speculation and fun. (No arguments please.) Both IU and Purdue currently have two commits outside the top 100 (with the exception of Justin Smith- hovering in the 80-100 range on recruiting sites for IU). However, both programs have players with a lot of potential impact for the future... Tell me what you think.

If IU gets Wilkes, then IU. If not, toss-up.

 

[TC4THREE]

I'll let you know in 4-5 years.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

It better be IU (pls stay with me...not trolling)

At the end of this year, IU is more than likely to lose Hartman, Blackmon, Bryant, and OG.
PU is likely to lose...Spike, and maybe Swanigan.
In other words, PU should return four or five of their starting five in 2017, IU is likely to return two of their starting five.

So, IU has a whole lot more to replace. So far, using 247 composite rankings, IU has: Smith (#76), Moore (#137), Durham (low 200s). All are academic oriented - quality kids. IU is also perceived as the leader/front-runner for two players: Wilkes (#18) and Waters (#36). Will likely know the answer on both within a few weeks.

PU has Wheeler (#203) and Haarms. Also quality kids/student athletes.

Eastern would be a big addition for PU, as would Epperson, but not sure if PU is perceived to be the front-runner on either (yes, I know that things can change, but that's the way it's currently seen).

Things could break unexpectedly for either school, but if they stay within a general range of what's likely, IU needs to have a stronger class, and per the guys in the industry, that's the way it seems to be playing out so far.

 

[BBG]

It better be IU (pls stay with me...not trolling)

At the end of this year, IU is more than likely to lose Hartman, Blackmon, Bryant, and OG.
PU is likely to lose...Spike, and maybe Swanigan.
In other words, PU should return four or five of their starting five in 2017, IU is likely to return two of their starting five.

So, IU has a whole lot more to replace. So far, using 247 composite rankings, IU has: Smith (#76), Moore (#137), Durham (low 200s). All are academic oriented - quality kids. IU is also perceived as the leader/front-runner for two players: Wilkes (#18) and Waters (#36). Will likely know the answer on both within a few weeks.

PU has Wheeler (#203) and Haarms. Also quality kids/student athletes.

Eastern would be a big addition for PU, as would Epperson, but not sure if PU is perceived to be the front-runner on either (yes, I know that things can change, but that's the way it's currently seen).

Things could break unexpectedly for either school, but if they stay within a general range of what's likely, IU needs to have a stronger class, and per the guys in the industry, that's the way it seems to be playing out so far.

Solid post. You are too level headed to be an IU fan .

 

[HoosierfanJM]

Solid post. You are too level headed to be an IU fan .

Nah; there are far more level-headed than batshirt fans in both fanbases...it's just that the crazies make for better rivalry posting fodder!

 

[joe for prez]

I'll let you know in 4-5 years.

In 4-5 years the IU players will have graduated with a graduate degree and have 2 years work experience

 

[SIBoiler2]

In 4-5 years the IU players will have graduated with a graduate degree and have 2 years work experience

Hopefully that means better product at the drive thru in the future.

 

[dwhitebash11]

It better be IU (pls stay with me...not trolling)

At the end of this year, IU is more than likely to lose Hartman, Blackmon, Bryant, and OG.
PU is likely to lose...Spike, and maybe Swanigan.
In other words, PU should return four or five of their starting five in 2017, IU is likely to return two of their starting five.

So, IU has a whole lot more to replace. So far, using 247 composite rankings, IU has: Smith (#76), Moore (#137), Durham (low 200s). All are academic oriented - quality kids. IU is also perceived as the leader/front-runner for two players: Wilkes (#18) and Waters (#36). Will likely know the answer on both within a few weeks.

PU has Wheeler (#203) and Haarms. Also quality kids/student athletes.

Eastern would be a big addition for PU, as would Epperson, but not sure if PU is perceived to be the front-runner on either (yes, I know that things can change, but that's the way it's currently seen).

Things could break unexpectedly for either school, but if they stay within a general range of what's likely, IU needs to have a stronger class, and per the guys in the industry, that's the way it seems to be playing out so far.

As much as I hope you're right in the bolded part, I also hope you're wrong. Isaac Haas and Vince Edwards both will test the water in the NBA, and both, along with Biggie, will more than likely withdraw their names.... BUT, if these guys go nuts, dominate the B10 (which is very possible), then all 3 could be gone, and now we have to rely on Wheeler and Kristap Porzingis lookalike, Haarms, and lord do I wish he is half as talented as him.


That said, I think it'll be just as long of a shot for OG and Blackmon to leave for the NBA than Edwards, Swanigan, and Haas. Bryant is for sure gone, as he'll likely be a lottery pick, but Blackmon coming off a torn ACL, will need to be a freak of nature just to give teams the confidence to pick him in the first round, being injury riddled, and OG gets lost in the flow too often, and if Blackmon shoots as many times as he did his freshmen year, then he may get lost even more, thus not being able to showcase his full ability. Still, teams will reach for a 6'8 freakishly athletic wing like OG.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

As much as I hope you're right in the bolded part, I also hope you're wrong. Isaac Haas and Vince Edwards both will test the water in the NBA, and both, along with Biggie, will more than likely withdraw their names.... BUT, if these guys go nuts, dominate the B10 (which is very possible), then all 3 could be gone, and now we have to rely on Wheeler and Kristap Porzingis lookalike, Haarms, and lord do I wish he is half as talented as him.


That said, I think it'll be just as long of a shot for OG and Blackmon to leave for the NBA than Edwards, Swanigan, and Haas. Bryant is for sure gone, as he'll likely be a lottery pick, but Blackmon coming off a torn ACL, will need to be a freak of nature just to give teams the confidence to pick him in the first round, being injury riddled, and OG gets lost in the flow too often, and if Blackmon shoots as many times as he did his freshmen year, then he may get lost even more, thus not being able to showcase his full ability. Still, teams will reach for a 6'8 freakishly athletic wing like OG.

There's a lot of substance in your post, most of which I agree with, but not your take on OG. FWIW, the Chad Ford's and Draft.nets of the world already have OG projected higher than Bryant.

Also, all info coming out of IU insiders (+ Frascilla, Greenberg, etc) points toward OG having significantly improved since last year. Just my opinion, but it seems like a healthy OG Anunoby is the surest NBA top of the first-rounder of either team.

 

[*4purdue*]

Since it's still early, this will all be speculation and fun. (No arguments please.) Both IU and Purdue currently have two commits outside the top 100 (with the exception of Justin Smith- hovering in the 80-100 range on recruiting sites for IU). However, both programs have players with a lot of potential impact for the future... Tell me what you think.

3* recruits don't usually end up to well under CMP. I think with the exception of Bryson, most of our transfers have been 3*. Fortunately, CMP has done a really good landing 4* guys & they have excelled in our program. I do think Harms, because of his size, could be really good, especially if he plays behind Haas for a year.

 

[dwhitebash11]

There's a lot of substance in your post, most of which I agree with, but not your take on OG. FWIW, the Chad Ford's and Draft.nets of the world already have OG projected higher than Bryant.

Also, all info coming out of IU insiders (+ Frascilla, Greenberg, etc) points toward OG having significantly improved since last year. Just my opinion, but it seems like a healthy OG Anunoby is the surest NBA top of the first-rounder of either team.

Like I said, there's a good chance someone will pull the trigger on a 6'8 athletic freak in OG, but he still needs to prove that he's not all athleticism and can ball, CONSISTENTLY, so be a guaranteed first rounder. And not that I'm disagreeing with your IU insiders, as I do think OG will be better, but that isn't worth a penny. Every beat writer for a team praises there players.... it sells, it's what we want to hear.

And I've seen numerous mocks where Bryant is ahead of OG, cbssports, nbadraft.net, nbadraftroom, it seems to be very tit for tat... It's just that he NEEDS to average more than 5ppg this year, and still be a hound on the defensive end... Most mocks are projecting him to go high because they expect him to average in the mid-teens in ppg, along with being very disruptive on the defensive end...

 

[HoosierfanJM]

Like I said, there's a good chance someone will pull the trigger on a 6'8 athletic freak in OG, but he still needs to prove that he's not all athleticism and can ball, CONSISTENTLY, so be a guaranteed first rounder. And not that I'm disagreeing with your IU insiders, as I do think OG will be better, but that isn't worth a penny. Every beat writer for a team praises there players.... it sells, it's what we want to hear.

And I've seen numerous mocks where Bryant is ahead of OG, cbssports, nbadraft.net, nbadraftroom, it seems to be very tit for tat... It's just that he NEEDS to average more than 5ppg this year, and still be a hound on the defensive end... Most mocks are projecting him to go high because they expect him to average in the mid-teens in ppg, along with being very disruptive on the defensive end...

+1!!

Agree on all counts.