I think Crean already has another job lined up. Rumor is twindegrees may know something for once....I am kidding Twin...kind of. 
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so IU people honestly think IU would actually spend about 7 million a year to hire Stevens and continue to pay Crean? Not likely.
Heller, here's the caveat....If Tom Crean resigns, he owes IU. I believe, as do some others that Crean and Crean's wife want out of Bloomington and that he will coach somewhere else next year.
Lot's of rumors going around but one of the stronger one's...and right now it's a rumor...is he goes to 'Bama. According to some of those same folks, his wife isn't happy and wants out of Trailer City. Put it together and if she ain't happy...ain't no one happy.
My guess is that IU will be happy to wave that stipulation in his contract as I haven't seen IU folks this unhappy since right before Mike Davis was told to take a hike.
where is heller getting 7 million per year!
hey math major! he said 7/35.. meaning 7 years for 35 million
gee whiz...
hey math major! he said 7/35.. meaning 7 years for 35 million
gee whiz...
It is because we probably won't have to pay Crean...and if we do...it will be very little when compared to the 12 million buyout. It is in Crean's best interest to take another job...
Why would you not have to pay Crean?
And I didn't even factor in the buyouts owed to other schools if their coach leaves. Take Matta who has a deferred compensation package that has to be at least five million by now that OSU absolutely does not owe him if he leaves. You don't think his agent will want that up front? Read a contract and get back with me.
And I didn't even factor in the buyouts owed to other schools if their coach leaves. Take Matta who has a deferred compensation package that has to be at least five million by now that OSU absolutely does not owe him if he leaves. You don't think his agent will want that up front? Read a contract and get back with me.
So Alabama is the state where ex IU coaches go to die now?
I think they are gonna get upset that you guys keep using their schools as your trash can.
I think they are gonna get upset that you guys keep using their schools as your trash can.
Crean is not going to pay to leave. That clause is for other schools who might want to hire him and no school is going to pay 8 million to IU to hire Crean. Alford is out of the question too.
You don't think IU would wave that stipend to rid itself of Crean right now? Fred Glass may be stupid, but he's not a total fool.
If he walks away to another COACHING job, it gets deducted. But what happens if he takes the coach on the tv show job? As I understand it, he gets paid both ways. And $11 million is still a big hunk of change however, you cut it.
Also, re the wife is unhappy: she can live wherever she wants on the money he is already making. ever hear of commuting couples?
This post was edited on 3/6 7:03 PM by arcb102000
Also, re the wife is unhappy: she can live wherever she wants on the money he is already making. ever hear of commuting couples?
This post was edited on 3/6 7:03 PM by arcb102000
Plus it isn't like Crean wasn't stuffed in his locker daily in HS for eating his boogers. Look at me son, I'm making millions every year, flying on private jets and staying in prime hotels. You can find someone stupid enough to give you money if you just stick it out.
Heller - I've read enough of your posts to know you're a pretty intelligent poster. Maybe your career doesn't lend itself to contract law, so hopefully this will aid in your understanding. Just because IU/Crean have contract with a clause that stipulates Crean would have to pay X to IU if he were to terminate the contract early, doesn't necessarily mean he's 100% percent required to pay IU that amount if he walks away. Any contract can be broken without penalty if both sides consent to its termination. If IU wants Crean gone - and it's starting to seem like they do - they absolutely could waive the right to enforce the buyout Crean would owe them Thus, its highly unlikely any school would actually have to consider such a large sum of money to buy Crean out of his current contract.
On a somewhat related note, IU should consider themselves REALLY lucky if the current rumors are true that both sides would like to end this marriage and walk away in peace. Remember when Lane Kiffin (I think it was him) was at Oakland and all reports were that management wanted him out? He had multiple spats in papers/ESPN with owner/GM, the fans hated him, management was undermining him hoping he'd resign, it was just ugly... Lane didn't want to be there either but he said "F U Raider mgmt, if you want me gone, fire me and pay me the buyout". Even if only for the sake of his own image, Crean is taking a much higher road on this than Kiffin did. IU is really fortunate Crean isn't as arrogant as Kiffin (he may be a close 2nd, but not quite as much of a D). Kiffin was basically prepared to run the Raider organization into the ground for pure spite and force them to pay him to walk... which they ultimately had to do.
This post was edited on 3/7 9:14 AM by Statey
hehehe...
we heard the same thing from the iu groupies about Davis... then Sampson... then Crean. The manliest, wonderfullest, most fantabulousest coach that ever existed is iu's next coach -- whoever he is. hehehe... maybe
I honestly don't see why Shaka would go to IU. I think he's waiting for something with more guaranteed success. IU is a graveyard for coaches who thought they could resurrect the glory days of years long past, and the administration has a history of reaching for the brass ring and winding up with bad choices. Like ND football, it's not the job it used to be, but that does't mean they need to hire flashy blowhards to get back on track.
Marshall would be a far better fit and would likely do a much better job with that program. He's businesslike and competent. IU doesn't need a showman; that's for wannabe programs like Tennessee. They just need someone who isn't, well, strange.
Ask anyone who went to Marquette while Crean was there: he's the most overrated coach in the country.
Marshall would be a far better fit and would likely do a much better job with that program. He's businesslike and competent. IU doesn't need a showman; that's for wannabe programs like Tennessee. They just need someone who isn't, well, strange.
Ask anyone who went to Marquette while Crean was there: he's the most overrated coach in the country.
First of all. No way Crean walks. No way. And with his resume, nobody is going to hire him if he could do crap at IU. He's had plenty of talent and has nothing to show for it at IU. The entire nation has watched him suck. IU will be stuck with the buyout if they send him packing. And how many times can the school run to alums to finance this debacle? They've been a circus since the faux "Zero tolerance" on Knight.
The school with the school song adapted from a circus march has been one for quite a while. Even in the mid to later stages of the RMK tenure. Remember the "60 Minutes" interview and the fight with the cop? Hell, RMK even incorporated an animal into his hsow, just like a circus.
I hope Crean stays forever at IU.
I do enjoy the sudden realization by the IU fanbase that Crean is very awkward, annoying, and creepy. The animated GIF with him and Ryne Smith is priceless.
I do enjoy the sudden realization by the IU fanbase that Crean is very awkward, annoying, and creepy. The animated GIF with him and Ryne Smith is priceless.
Yeah, wasn't it a Puerto Rican officer? The Donkey? Chair? I even heard he came to practice with crap on toilet paper for show and tell. Kicking shins? Head butts? Choking players? Suddenly he's fired for yelling at a student? Then, they hired a known cheater? And shocked when he cheats there? The BB program is circling the drain as we post.
Arc, with MSU coming to IU and with Crean in real trouble, and with Thon Maker and another big recruit coming in today, do you think it might be possible that with MSU already in, Izzo throws this one? And do you think it might be possible that a couple of big-time players leave Bloomington with a bit more money than they came to town with?
You know....just speculating and saying "What if".
Statey I agree and understand your point. Problem is Crean isn't going to leave willingly and the thought there are major programs who want Crean is laughable. Almost as funny as the thought that TV wants his rambling analysis that they are willing to pay millions for it.
Twin, I think that izzo views Painter as a larger long-term threat than TC. Also, TC is a protege. So sitting Dawson and not pushing too hard for a win is hardly beyond reason.
Having said that, Maker and Bryant are evidently visiting Btown today. Bryant was supposed to be a heavy Syracuse lean with IU second. (I do not know if this is correct, just what has been claimed.) Maker is also wanted by many, but not sure what his status really is.
It seems beyond reason that these recruits do not know about the uproar at IU. As such, it would have to impact their decision-making. Am I signing up with a coach that will not be there when I get there? Obviously, Bryant's situation is also impacted by the SYR penalties.
My best guesses:
1. Izzo will try to take it easy on Crean. IU may still not win the game however. If I were betting, I'd take IU and give the 1 point - but I am not betting.
2. Bryant will go to neither SYR or IU.
3. Maker is going elsewhere.
4. TC will be at the helm in Btown next year.
5. All of the Peegsters who loved Crean and excused him - and who now say he is awful and unfair to players - will be back on board with him in the next month or so.
6. There will be substantial turnover in the IU BB roster beyond the student manager (who is a senior and is supposed to be honored today). Lots of exits in the off-season with or without carfare.
This post was edited on 3/7 8:58 AM by arcb102000
Having said that, Maker and Bryant are evidently visiting Btown today. Bryant was supposed to be a heavy Syracuse lean with IU second. (I do not know if this is correct, just what has been claimed.) Maker is also wanted by many, but not sure what his status really is.
It seems beyond reason that these recruits do not know about the uproar at IU. As such, it would have to impact their decision-making. Am I signing up with a coach that will not be there when I get there? Obviously, Bryant's situation is also impacted by the SYR penalties.
My best guesses:
1. Izzo will try to take it easy on Crean. IU may still not win the game however. If I were betting, I'd take IU and give the 1 point - but I am not betting.
2. Bryant will go to neither SYR or IU.
3. Maker is going elsewhere.
4. TC will be at the helm in Btown next year.
5. All of the Peegsters who loved Crean and excused him - and who now say he is awful and unfair to players - will be back on board with him in the next month or so.
6. There will be substantial turnover in the IU BB roster beyond the student manager (who is a senior and is supposed to be honored today). Lots of exits in the off-season with or without carfare.
This post was edited on 3/7 8:58 AM by arcb102000
I still think Crean is gone. On his own. But I may be wrong. I hope I'm not. I still have a lot of family that loves IU but hates Tom Crean, and for them, I'd like to see a new coach at IU next year.
I just can't buy Crean leaving on his own. No way that narcissist does that without another gig. And, who in their right mind would hire him? He'll be dragged out kicking and screaming IMO. LOL.
You may very well be right, but this same noise was there when Mike Davis resigned because he thought "IU deserves someone else" right after he hid in his basement when having to face Alford and Iowa.
For the good of the B10, let's all hope the rumors of his demise is true.
If crean does get creaned, will the official line be that he moved on to find better opportunities, even though he'll have a different story?
When it happens, it will be poetic justice. Except that all of the kids he pulled the rug out on didn't have guaranteed money to fall back on.
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