Disagree. The question is how is he doing compared to how potential alternatives would do.
It's now 2021, does Painter get another extension?
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Disagree. The question is how is he doing compared to how potential alternatives would do.
I don't think either should be gone but they took over their respective programs at opposite ends of the spectrum.
The fact that there isn't a valid argument for it means that there isn't a valid argument for it though.
If the admin completely agreed with you, the extension would have been longer than 3 years. This kicks the can just long enough to let the new AD address football.
Just because you think arguments against retaining him arent valid, doesnt render them so.
I can see that the veiled threats are already starting from people who think they are way more important than they are. I still remember a blowhard on KHC a few years back threatening that "we" would go shopping for a new coach to replace Painter. I called him out on it and got lectured by a bunch of people about how important that guy was and how he could make it happen. Fast forward a few years and Painter gets an extension. I guess that guy wasn't nearly as important as he or the rest of the lemmings on KHC thought?
It does to me which is pretty much all I'm concerned with.
By your own philosophy though, just because you think arguments against retaining him are valid, doesn't render them so either.
Not to be argumentative, because I agree with the extension, but here's another hypothetical:
If Brian Cardinal is the new AD, would he be satisfied with more of the same over the next 3 years?
Fair enough. But im not the only one on my side of the argument. And believing he hasnt performed up to the current contract is far from an absurdity. Since the 2012 flirtation. 0 conference titles. 0 conference tournament championships. 0 NCAA wins. That isnt progress i believe in.
Could be the wrong guy. Like I said, I can't remember the handle for sure. Just remember the response being that many people who seemed to know the guy tried to back up how important he was and how if he said that we were going to replace Painter then it was going to happen. Short of that guy being Burke or someone that Burke answers to, I don't think anyone can make that happen no matter how high up on the JPC list they may be.
Yeah you are right. Great this will be one of those things go that sticks in your head that you can never figure out.
I'm still thinking it was some guy with the handle "norm" something or another. I know he was typically all about football but for some reason he thought he needed to get all blustery about Painter out of the blue. I just remember the backlash when I questioned his importance. Many were convinced that if this guy said it then it carried alot of weight. Naturally, Painter is still here years later with an extension in hand now.
Record wise.
But she took over after the previous coach abruptly left, few years under probation, reduced scholarships, etc.
True. Which is why I always question people that say she inherited a national championship program. She did not.
Curry was the one who literally inherited a national championship program and in turn used as a catapult to the.....................wait for it................. TEXAS TECH coaching position! Meanwhile leaving the Purdue program on probation. I think her record since leaving Purdue speaks for itself. One winning conference season in 10 combined years at Texas Tech and Alabama. She's been dreadful at Alabama. Her days as a head coach at the highest level of women's college basketball are probably numbered. I remember thinking it was one the biggest steals in the history of Purdue sports when Texas Tech bought her out of her Purdue contract.
You might be right about it being npb. He is one of the few i leave alone given what he has meant to purdue athletics.
Davek resurfaced at one point as Dr. Randy West. I havent seen him in a while. The elf still posts under a new name as well.
Yep that's it. "npb" handle but signs off as "norm" on his messages if I recall correctly.
I believe the answer to this question hinges on his performance with the 2017 class.
I look forward to someone here providing an intelligent answer to that question...anyone?...anyone?...Bueller?
It is always something like, "Well I know Purdue would never do this because they are too cheap, but if I were AD I'd go offer Bill Self 20 million a year to come here but Purdue doesn't care about winning enough to make a real commitment like that."
As you acknowledge, it'll never happen, and even if it did there's no guarantee even that would "work". What AD would make a gamble like that? (other than yourself
)I think we'd all like to see Purdue become a powerhouse like UK, Duke, UNC, & Kansas but a lot of things have to fall into place for that to happen, some of which are driven by luck. But it is true that the powerhouse origin stories of these schools begin with the hiring of a coach that turned out to be better & more successful than anyone imagined. And once the FF appearances, NC's, etc. began piling up for coaches like Rupp, Coach K, Dean Smith, and Self, then the virtuous cycles of top tier talent wanting to go those places began. And, only sometimes, that virtuous cycle keeps going and going... The virtuous cycle started by Bob Knight has kept Tom Crean employed. I do hope Purdue gets there some day, and since Painter's going to be here for 6 more years, I hope it gets going under him.
As you acknowledge, it'll never happen, and even if it did there's no guarantee even that would "work". What AD would make a gamble like that? (other than yourself
I think we'd all like to see Purdue become a powerhouse like UK, Duke, UNC, & Kansas but a lot of things have to fall into place for that to happen, some of which are driven by luck. But it is true that the powerhouse origin stories of these schools begin with the hiring of a coach that turned out to be better & more successful than anyone imagined. And once the FF appearances, NC's, etc. began piling up for coaches like Rupp, Coach K, Dean Smith, and Self, then the virtuous cycles of top tier talent wanting to go those places began. And, only sometimes, that virtuous cycle keeps going and going... The virtuous cycle started by Bob Knight has kept Tom Crean employed. I do hope Purdue gets there some day, and since Painter's going to be here for 6 more years, I hope it gets going under him.
I'm not advocating it. I was using it as an example of what one of these detractors would say when you press them on what they want done that would guarantee better results. There's no way anyone would get the approval to spend anything close to that amount for a coach at Purdue (and if they did we should be buying the best football coaches we can instead) and as you said there is no guarantee that Bill Self would get similar results at Purdue as he's getting at Kansas anyway.
That's a straw man argument: no one would seriously suggest to go after bill self. The realistic scenario would be a proven P5 type coach who isn't at a blue blood program.
Is it risky? Yes. It would be a bold, aggressive move, sort of like firing Versyp and hiring Steph would have been.
Purdue doesn't do bold and aggressive. We like to be conservative, hold our position, not risk giving up any ground. We're McClellan, not Patton or Grant. And that's honestly what WE SHOULD be doing at the moment, with our cash cow turned into beef jerky.
If/when we get Football turned around, with a different AD, the situation might then be more conducive for making an aggressive move, should the program's performance not improve.
It's only "bold" and "aggressive" before it fails. Afterwards, other adjectives apply.
So in other words, someone just like Painter. Got it. Glad that is finally cleared up.
Not exactly. I wouldn't suggest we hire a coach who has (by that time) spent 15 years at one school and plateaued.
Also, I would envision a coach coming from a program that doesn't have the resources, support, and/or recruiting base that Purdue has. (Like maybe a coach at Cal?)
Again, I am not in the "fire Painter" crowd, but I am in the "we need to see more over the next 3 years" crowd.
Our attendance is much higher than theirs, about 3500/game. Does that mean our facilities are better? Maybe not, but I bet they are.
Plus I like their coach.
I like him too. Cal does have some inherent advantages though when you consider the Bay Area...
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