You may think getting six wins against terrible competition makes you mediocre but it doesn't.
Is Oregon State a must win?
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I think the change of scenery will be good for the team and they will come out w/ a purpose
I mean you can't immediately expect him to win. If you go cheap then you are going to have to be willing to ride out bad seasons for a few years. Particularly if you do it while you have a top ten schedule two years in a row.
So either they stick with the dude (but definitely change coordinators) or start again with a willingness to pour a tremendous amount of money into both coaches and players.
Firing him to hire cheap again and being cheap about players does absolutely nothing.
It's literally the definition of mediocre which I'm fine with because mediocre is near apex for this program historically.
I don't know what he was paid but that's not what they chose post Brohm and they certainly aren't breaking the bank for football NIL.
Both Hazell and brohm were paid very well when compared to their colleagues in the BIG 10 and power 5 teams. their success did not come close to the success other coaches making similar salaries made. spending a lot of money on a coach does not always equate to success.
the way to success is by winning. While many of you posters know the difference between power 5 , division 1, and FCS, the vast majority of fans do not, and they don't care. they see a 49-0 win, and they don't care who it was against. here, have a $1 million.
something that is not talked about a lot. when Purdue makes those highlight films for recruiting and other things, do those highlight reels not include our successful plays against FCS schools ? Does the narrator say that 80 yard play was against an FCS school ? Do the announcers calling the game say we're playing an FCS school ?
Does anybody care what level of teams Purdue is playing other than about 5-6 people who post on this forum ? Sure beating tougher teams is nice, but going 6-6 is a lot better than going 4-8. if you doubt my words, go to a grocery store and ask a person at random, what they prefer... a 6-6 season, or a 4-8 seson that included 8 losses to tough teams.
the way to success is by winning. While many of you posters know the difference between power 5 , division 1, and FCS, the vast majority of fans do not, and they don't care. they see a 49-0 win, and they don't care who it was against. here, have a $1 million.
something that is not talked about a lot. when Purdue makes those highlight films for recruiting and other things, do those highlight reels not include our successful plays against FCS schools ? Does the narrator say that 80 yard play was against an FCS school ? Do the announcers calling the game say we're playing an FCS school ?
Does anybody care what level of teams Purdue is playing other than about 5-6 people who post on this forum ? Sure beating tougher teams is nice, but going 6-6 is a lot better than going 4-8. if you doubt my words, go to a grocery store and ask a person at random, what they prefer... a 6-6 season, or a 4-8 seson that included 8 losses to tough teams.
Medicore is a subjective term so there is no literal definition as it applies to a college football team or program. You may judge it by record but I would determine by how we compare to other power conference football programs. If we're middle of the pack, that means mediocre to me. A 6-6 record may be an indication but if you're beating all terrible teams, which you're advocating, it doesn't necessarily make you mediocre.
It always amazes me how fragile some of our fans are. Some would rather win games that mean nothing than risk losing while trying to beat comparable teams. Fortunately, the AD has never caved and we usually schedule pretty well. If we could get rid of all FCS competition that would be perfect. Indiana State is embarrassing.
Per usual, I think you're wrong. Our big wins resonate with casual fans I know. They'll remember the Brees-to-Morales play to beat Ohio State or highlights from the Tyler Trent game. They won't remember or care about Hudson Card going 24 of 25 against Indiana State. And recruits certainly know the difference.
It would be nice if Purdue was a leader and announced intentions to shut down semi-pro football through the university. Tax-payer-funded institutions of higher learning should not be in the business of minor league sports.
Wrong again. Hazell was 11/14 his final year in salaries and it was reported he had a horrible assistant coaching pool. He even made less than kevin Wilson at iu Brohm did receive some raises after we saw success on the field.
The way to success is NOT by winning. That’s a weird thing to say, that’s like saying the way to getting rich is making money. It’s actually the objective not the process. It’s by recruiting, player development, NIL, coaching schematics, and desire to win.
Your comment on the “vast majority” of fans not knowing the difference between FCS and FBS is arrogant and false. When we lost to Eastern Michigan in 2018 90% of adults fans sitting in that stadium knew they were not part of FBS/P5. They all knew it was an embarrassing loss. I got more crap from other fans, neighbors, colleagues etc after that loss thsn from our ND loss and they both stunk but I’d rather lose big to a good team than get an embarrassed by Eastern Michigan. That team would have lost to just about anyone. Our fans are smarter than you give them credit for.
Lol no it literally has a definition that literally means halfway to the top between great and terrible, moderate, ya know 6-6.
I didn't advocate beating all terrible teams. I'm going to add reading comprehension to what do words mean to your list.
No one is fragile bud, we just understand that you don't send a rebuilding team with a new coach into back to back top ten schedules. You start easy and work your way up, aka common sense.
Mediocre sounds good right about now.
18 teams in the B1G guarantees marquee programs coming to RA every single year. We don't need to manufacture exciting match ups for a while - it's already built in.
ISU, Ball State, UCONN every single year.
I'm not so sure about that. You do know that FBS and P5 are not the same thing right? Eastern Michigan actually IS part of FBS.
Financial commitment doesn’t always equate to results.
Look at our $ now vs Northern Illinois. Why did the team with more $ get boat raced at home? Why did the team with less money and talent win?
Money is an issue relative to our peers but it doesn’t mean we can’t be competitive. It doesn’t mean we should accept where Walters has this program.
We're talking about something more than a single game upset dude. No one said the team with more money never gets upset. What are you even talking about?
Didn't CRW go out and get a ton of cash for the collective and bring in SEC talent that are 4Star talent????
His players bow are obviously larger and said to be more athletic.
Amen, a team that is coached well but losses more games than they win due to lack of talent or $ is a easier team to watch and support than what we have now.
UCLA may not be a very good team,but they are loaded with large and gifted players.
IUis obviously not a great team,but they are organized and well coached and it kills me to say it.
IU went the Tiller route and it is paying off in rejuvenating that program.
lol. A single game?
When we go 2-10 this year it will be more apparent. Will you continue to ignore results and what your eyes are actually telling you?
We aren’t putting the talent we DO have in a position to be successful.
Agree that money isnt everything, but it can lure better coaches and staff.
To your point, Tedford at Fresno State earns $1550000 a year. They have a far better program than Purdue.
a ton? no. He got more than he had, but there's zero reason to believe we aren't well behind a good chunk of the conference and football in general.
Yawn, gonna add reading comprehension to your list of issues. The issues this team have go BEYOND the coaches. Fire em all, the same issues will be present next season in a NEW paradigm where money matters more than anything else.
And "great" and "terrible" are subjective terms. You may judge it by record, but record can be manpulated as you clearly advocate.
Your belief is that the players are t good enough. I’d agree that they aren’t good enough to do it on their own but there are plenty of guys on this roster who have had and can have success.
That said….Purdue will always be less talented than the blue bloods.
So what are the coaches doing with the scheme and the players to try and overcome that?
From what I saw last weekend the answer is Jack shit.
This team is talented. Last years team was talented. Neither team was talented enough however to just line straight up and blow the other team away. So to stop ourselves from the same happening, what are we doing? Again…it looks like hope and prayer are being used by fans and players alike to overcome talent deficits.
Look at Purdue’s good teams in the past. Brohm was an average recruiter but won above our average and had 2 well above average seasons.
Tillers teams absolutely started out talent disadvantaged but I’d argue 2 of Tillers best teams were with Coletto leftovers when he first got here.
I don’t dislike Walters because of his skin color or the fact that he wears a T shirt in a professional setting. I dislike him because his teams aren’t prepared, he’s a slow learner and he gives his team NOTHING to overcome talent differentials that will always exist when it’s Purdue vs the BigTen.
I’ll buy into the fact that he’s a good recruiter. I’ll admit to the fact that his roster is probably more talented now than even those last 2 Brohm teams that did so well. It seems you could give this guy $10, $20, $50million and the MO is going to still be an undisciplined team that can’t execute and doesn’t get the most out of what they have.
No way in hell...bite the bullet and move on.After seeing the lack of just fundamental play....I see this as a looooooooong season.
You clearly don't see the major issues with the Xs and Os.......
Hard to see when the defense can’t get off a block or execute a tackle properly!
The offense…easily the worst game of the Walters/Harrell era. ANY attempt at some counter or screen stuff would have done wonders!
Dear God 18, this dude is clueless......
Brhoms a horrible coach!!!
Absolutely,
There are ways to stop or slow down a blitzing defense...
I was shocked to see the players quit on CRW. I actually thought that his connections with his players was better than what showed up for ND.
The kids don’t care. I’m sure the checks have already cashed!
I guess that is a point I am still having difficulty with. NIL sucks but we know that Alabama, ND, UM, OSU, LSU, etc., have been doing it for years. This just makes them legal.
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