In State Recruiting

[BoilerStutz]

Our inability to recruit strong Indiana prospects to Purdue for either football or basketball is literally unbelievable. The probability of not being able to attract even one ranked kid from Indiana for the football team has to be really low. And yet we are somehow able to do it.

Given we experience the same issue in hoops, we must have a heck of a branding issue with high school kids today. Is this the result of Hope's arrogance toward state high schools? Probably that and the fact that we have beaten so few Div 1 teams in the last three years.

This recruiting issue has to be a top priority for the new AD.

 

[takedownboiler]

Cathedral should have a Purdue coach there every two weeks. Right now that roster has two ND commitments. A Boston College commit. And a junior OL that will have a choice of about any schools he wants. Plenty of talent is needs to start recruiting now bc it's missed out on a lot due to not being here 3/4 years ago when these kids started.

 

[goodboiler]

Our inability to recruit strong Indiana prospects to Purdue for either football or basketball is literally unbelievable. The probability of not being able to attract even one ranked kid from Indiana for the football team has to be really low. And yet we are somehow able to do it.

Given we experience the same issue in hoops, we must have a heck of a branding issue with high school kids today. Is this the result of Hope's arrogance toward state high schools? Probably that and the fact that we have beaten so few Div 1 teams in the last three years.

This recruiting issue has to be a top priority for the new AD.

Again if you aren't going to put the time in building relationships with coaches and kids youi will not be able to recruit these kids.

Our inability to recruit strong Indiana prospects to Purdue for either football or basketball is literally unbelievable. The probability of not being able to attract even one ranked kid from Indiana for the football team has to be really low. And yet we are somehow able to do it.

Given we experience the same issue in hoops, we must have a heck of a branding issue with high school kids today. Is this the result of Hope's arrogance toward state high schools? Probably that and the fact that we have beaten so few Div 1 teams in the last three years.

This recruiting issue has to be a top priority for the new AD.

Heck we thought we were getting a good recruiter along with a great staff. Neither happened. The kind of turnover we have experienced in our staff is crazy. No continuity. Our coaches are leaving because they got fired not for better jobs. Or they see whats happening in West Lafayette and want out. Both coordinators getting let go!!! That doesn't happen in high school!!!
We haven't spent the time in Indy and have not built any relationships with the big programs in Indiana. Couldn't even get a visit out of 4 star Werner of Cathedral. That is sad. Just keep banging on the 2 star and 3 star kids we might have a chance to steal a kid or two from MAC teams

 

[boilerbusdriver]

Relationships and Wins....can go a long way to signing talented athletes, it must change soon!
Boiler Up!

 

[boiler800]

Our inability to recruit strong Indiana prospects to Purdue for either football or basketball is literally unbelievable. The probability of not being able to attract even one ranked kid from Indiana for the football team has to be really low. And yet we are somehow able to do it.

Given we experience the same issue in hoops, we must have a heck of a branding issue with high school kids today. Is this the result of Hope's arrogance toward state high schools? Probably that and the fact that we have beaten so few Div 1 teams in the last three years.

This recruiting issue has to be a top priority for the new AD.

Markell Jones was "Mr. Football" and Josh Hayes was #6 in his class.

 

[OhioBoiler3]

Markell, Hayes, Gelen, Mccan. I agree we should be in and working hard on the top talent in Indiana, but let's not act like its a hotbed for high school football, because it's not.

 

[TC4THREE]

Thought we got the top two players from the class of 2015 in hoops.

 

[TheRealDeal73]

Yeah and that Boston College commit used to be a Purdue fan. His name is Ben Stuart hell of a kid straight A student he has Brothers behind him that is really good too. I probably spelled the last name wrong but a good family

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Markell Jones was "Mr. Football" and Josh Hayes was #6 in his class.

One solid instate player per class is nowhere near enough - Especially when we are such a cost-conscious program. We don't have ND's budget to fly to the west coast every other day. There are 15-20 players in state every year who are better than the 2 stars we are flying to Texas, Tennessee, and Mississippi to sign.

 

[nat100]

One solid instate player per class is nowhere near enough - Especially when we are such a cost-conscious program. We don't have ND's budget to fly to the west coast every other day. There are 15-20 players in state every year who are better than the 2 stars we are flying to Texas, Tennessee, and Mississippi to sign.

No there aren't.

 

[OhioBoiler3]

This... Indiana high school football as a whole is Bad. The level of competition compared to Florida, Texas, California, hell even Ohio isn't even close. Agree we should be in on all the good Indiana guys though, and getting some.

 

[takedownboiler]

As a whole maybe. But Cathedral, WC, BD, CG and Carmel should have a steady Purdue presence but they don't. I went to Cathedral. Coached at Both Cathedral and WC. I can tell you teams have coaches at WC every week. Minnesota is in there all the time!

 

[New Pal Boiler]

No there aren't.

Look at the top 20 indiana players from 2016: all 3 stars, and most signed with programs better than the app states, Troys, and Tulanes we are beating out for recruits now.

 

[OhioBoiler3]

I think we all agree we should be in on the top 15 or so guys from Indiana. Outside of that I'm fine with us looking elsewhere.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

No there aren't.

Look at the top 20 from 2016:

https://rivals.yahoo.com/purdue/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3599

All 3 stars, 16 signed with P5 programs. Yet we're jetting all over God's green earth looking for 2 star projects.

 

[nat100]

Look at the top 20 indiana players from 2016: all 3 stars, and most signed with programs better than the app states, Troys, and Tulanes we are beating out for recruits now.

How many of the top 20 have p5 offers?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

How many of the top 20 have p5 offers?

16 of them signed with P5 schools, assuming Purdue is still considered a P5 school. 3 signed with Miami OH and 1 with Cincinnati.

 

[nat100]

16 of them signed with P5 schools, assuming Purdue is still considered a P5 school. 3 signed with Miami OH and 1 with Cincinnati.

So 16 players signed with p5 schools. Focusing on Texas and the se where hundreds sign with p5 schools appears to be a more fertile ground

 

[New Pal Boiler]

So 16 players signed with p5 schools. Focusing on Texas and the se where hundreds sign with p5 schools appears to be a more fertile ground

Of course, never said it wasn't. But we have a better shot at signing an Indiana kid, than the exact same level kid in Texas, for a multitude of reasons.

 

[nat100]

Of course, never said it wasn't. But we have a better shot at signing an Indiana kid, than the exact same level kid in Texas, for a multitude of reasons.

I disagree. For some odd reason Purdue is easier to sell the farther away from Lafayette you get.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I disagree. For some odd reason Purdue is easier to sell the farther away from Lafayette you get.

Kids with Purdue ties are more likely to live in Indiana than Texas, (like Miller and Beery) the staff can see them much more often, the kid can make it to campus much earlier and often than a kid from Texas, and we are only getting the TX kids that get passed over by about 6-7 instate schools.

I know some of them didn't work out, but Tiller signed 8 of the states top 10 players in 2004. So it can be done, with the right guy.

 

[nat100]

Kids with Purdue ties are more likely to live in Indiana than Texas, (like Miller and Beery) the staff can see them much more often, the kid can make it to campus much earlier and often than a kid from Texas, and we are only getting the TX kids that get passed over by about 6-7 instate schools.

I know some of them didn't work out, but Tiller signed 8 of the states top 10 players in 2004. So it can be done, with the right guy.

Kids like Beery shouldnt be committing to IU, agree there. Legacies aside, going to Florida, Georgia and Texas is a good idea given the depth of the talent pool.

 

[TC4THREE]

Kids with Purdue ties are more likely to live in Indiana than Texas, (like Miller and Beery) the staff can see them much more often, the kid can make it to campus much earlier and often than a kid from Texas, and we are only getting the TX kids that get passed over by about 6-7 instate schools.

I know some of them didn't work out, but Tiller signed 8 of the states top 10 players in 2004. So it can be done, with the right guy.

Tiller also got to that point (where we were beating IU like a drum annually and basically splitting with Notre Dame) by winning with less heralded kids from Indiana and pulling others from all over the country. This isn't rocket science. Selling a vision only gets you so far, especially after 3 years of losing. The answer is simply to win. Start winning the games you should win with the recruits you have and then you'll gradually start to pull better recruits. Keep losing to Marshall, MAC schools, and IU and then recruiting will continue to reflect that.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Tiller also got to that point (where we were beating IU like a drum annually and basically splitting with Notre Dame) by winning with less heralded kids from Indiana and pulling others from all over the country. This isn't rocket science. Selling a vision only gets you so far, especially after 3 years of losing. The answer is simply to win. Start winning the games you should win with the recruits you have and then you'll gradually start to pull better recruits. Keep losing to Marshall, MAC schools, and IU and then recruiting will continue to reflect that.

The difference is, after he turned the program around, Tiller was able to recruit the best Indiana players because he had built relationships with the HS coaches in the state, which Hope and Hazell have not/did not do, by all accounts.

 

[nat100]

The difference is, after he turned the program around, Tiller was able to recruit the best Indiana players because he had built relationships with the HS coaches in the state, which Hope and Hazell have not/did not do, by all accounts.

And at that point, the program started to go down.

 

[TC4THREE]

The difference is, after he turned the program around, Tiller was able to recruit the best Indiana players because he had built relationships with the HS coaches in the state, which Hope and Hazell have not/did not do, by all accounts.

Win and they will come. Relationships or not. Dinardo visited every freaking high school in the state in 2002 and 2003 when he was coaching IU. Who got all the top recruits in 2004?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

And at that point, the program started to go down.

So the program went down because we signed too many good instate players, not because Burke underinvested in facilities or the coaching staff... Right...

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Win and they will come. Relationships or not. Dinardo visited every freaking high school in the state in 2002 and 2003 when he was coaching IU. Who got all the top recruits in 2004?

If you don't think relationships with HS coaches matter in football recruiting, then there's no point in continuing this discussion. I know for a fact that they do.

 

[nat100]

So the program went down because we signed too many good instate players, not because Burke underinvested in facilities or the coaching staff... Right...

Of that vaunted 2005 class, not a single player from indiana was ever first or second team all conference.

Recruiting indiana players is fine, but every coach is absolutely correct to look elsewhere.

 

[TC4THREE]

If you don't think relationships with HS coaches matter in football recruiting, then there's no point in continuing this discussion. I know for a fact that they do.

Dinardo visited every high school in 2002 and 2003. Purdue got 8 of the top 10 in 2004. Winning matters more.

 

[takedownboiler]

I think more of an issue is Purdue literally has zero presence at the ftball powers in Indy. Whether it's smarter or not to recruit out of state. It's more of a big deal that Purdue is mush right now in Indianapolis with CHS, WC, BD, CG and Carm. It needs to be in those schools so much more.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Dinardo visited every high school in 2002 and 2003. Purdue got 8 of the top 10 in 2004. Winning matters more.

Um, duh, of course winning matters. But my point is that relationships matter too.

And who cares what DiNardo did. That was a stupid strategy. Instead of visiting 300 high schools once, he should have visited 10 schools 30 times each. And building relationships takes time. With him getting canned after 3 years, he was not around to see the fruits of his labor.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Of that vaunted 2005 class, not a single player from indiana was ever first or second team all conference.

Recruiting indiana players is fine, but every coach is absolutely correct to look elsewhere.

So you don't think we could use players like Mike Neal, Joey Elliott, Jared Zwilling, Selwyn Lymon or Jason Werner this year, instead of our parade of out of state 2 stars? Agree to disagree on that one.

 

[nat100]

So you don't think we could use players like Mike Neal, Joey Elliott, Jared Zwilling, Selwyn Lymon or Jason Werner this year, instead of our parade of out of state 2 stars? Agree to disagree on that one.

Setting the bar a bit low, huh?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Setting the bar a bit low, huh?

You didn't answer my question...

 

[TC4THREE]

Um, duh, of course winning matters. But my point is that relationships matter too.

And who cares what DiNardo did. That was a stupid strategy. Instead of visiting 300 high schools once, he should have visited 10 schools 30 times each. And building relationships takes time. With him getting canned after 3 years, he was not around to see the fruits of his labor.

And here's my point. Hazell could make daily visits to whatever 10 schools you are wanting him to and he's not going to pull significant recruits with other decent offers from there due to his his record as head coach. Complaining about relationships with high school coaches for Hazell at Purdue is like complaining about the power windows not working in a car where the engine just blew.

 

[takedownboiler]

Neal was a 3rd NFL draft pick. That's a low bar?

 

[nat100]

Neal was a 3rd NFL draft pick. That's a low bar?

Comparing it to the current roste is a low bar

 

[nat100]

So you don't think we could use players like Mike Neal, Joey Elliott, Jared Zwilling, Selwyn Lymon or Jason Werner this year, instead of our parade of out of state 2 stars? Agree to disagree on that one.

I'd take the top 4 lbs now over Warner, Lymon was a bust. Not sure he would play.

If def take Neal and zwilling.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I'd take the top 4 lbs now over Warner, Lymon was a bust. Not sure he would play.

If def take Neal and zwilling.

Before the injuries, I'd take Werner over all of our LBs- we have no one who can cover like he could, though Hermans close.

You wouldn't take Elliott over Blough? I would.

And when was the last time one of our receivers put up 200 yards and 2 TDs on a ranked team?